Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[RadiantCowbells]

Mastina if you try to call NSG scum when I am not calling her scum thats going to go very badly

[mastina]

mastina go give gobble his title

Soon!

It is done.

[mastina]

Mastina if you try to call NSG scum when I am not calling her scum thats going to go very badly

Hey she's not a scumread, she's just not a townread in a game where I have a townread on 5/8 of the slots in my game where via poe there's only three possible scum slots which she happens to be among.

[Trojan Horses]

Down to blindly sheep Mastina. Mastina, who should I vote for?

-Stuxnet

[Trojan Horses]

RC?

[RadiantCowbells]

that doesnt sound like a great idea.

[RadiantCowbells]

that doesnt sound like a great idea.

[Trojan Horses]

Signing posts is for losers

[Trojan Horses]

that doesnt sound like a great idea.

I am but a sheep.

[jjh927]

Just to be clear I'm serious about effectively spectating the other game in order to preserve our playerlist

Spectating as in, not giving thoughts but reading, or spectating as in, giving thoughts in spite of not being a part of it?

The former sounds like an incredibly bad idea because uhhhh...yeah if my understanding of the game mechanics is right, you can be doing quite fine in your own game but if the town gets endgamed in the other game, you ALSO lose?

The latter tho, that's pretty much exactly what we should be doing, because, uhhh, yeah, if my understanding of the game mechanics is right, you need to make sure both games are doing fine, plus, it doesn't even require two scum in your game to die; it just requires two scum dead, period. So if both towns kill a scum, and fourteen heads for finding scum are better than seven (well, in

theory

, at least...), then town endgames the scum.

At least if I understood correctly.

I mean we all do fuck all with our game and just comment on the other one until it hits lylo or two scum are dead, barring exceptional circumstances

Look at our playerlist

[RadiantCowbells]

if you say one more word about the playerlist I am going to scumread you for it

this seems like a really good way to create personality conflicts and given your team in TM had no qualms about abetting personality conflicts to win the normal I'm not putting it even slightly past you to be doing this deliberately to destroy town unity because that is objectively what shitting on half of the players in a game accomplishes

[RadiantCowbells]

this isn't a policy scumread either. i've been sitting here for a while thinking about how pro-scum a lot of this is. calling RC and NSG both scums to prevent us potentially mutually townreading each other and making us both impossible mislynches? manufacturing drama by calling a bunch of players shitty people to play with?

this isn't okay. and i have never known you as a player who deliberately stirs toxicity and that is exactly what you are doing right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

like if the active players aren't scum they are doing a fantastic job of creating a world where scum wins a lobby that is incredibly stacked against them

[Jingle]

jingle for your vote counts if you do header=2 it should look better

Spoiler: you currently have

Vote Count #1.0
Halloween	Christmas
With 9 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! Bernadetta (0): FireMaPoka (0): Lysithea (0): Trojan Horses (0): Shuichi Saihara (0): Lie Ren (0): Jormungand (0): Baezu (0): SirCakez (0): Not Voting (9): Bernadetta, FireMaPoka, Lysithea, Trojan Horses, Shuichi Saihara, Lie Ren, Jormungand, Baezu, SirCakez	With 9 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! jjh (0): Gobbledegook (0): mastina (0): Amrun (0): NSG (0): BBMolla (0): Elmo teh AzN (0): Wonderwall (0): DrDolittle (0): Not Voting (9): jjh, Gobbledegook, mastina, Amrun, NSG, BBMolla, Elmo teh AzN, Menalique, DrDolittle

Spoiler: it could look like

Vote Count #1.0
Halloween	Christmas
With 9 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! Bernadetta (0): FireMaPoka (0): Lysithea (0): Trojan Horses (0): Shuichi Saihara (0): Lie Ren (0): Jormungand (0): Baezu (0): SirCakez (0): Not Voting (9): Bernadetta, FireMaPoka, Lysithea, Trojan Horses, Shuichi Saihara, Lie Ren, Jormungand, Baezu, SirCakez	With 9 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! jjh (0): Gobbledegook (0): mastina (0): Amrun (0): NSG (0): BBMolla (0): Elmo teh AzN (0): Wonderwall (0): DrDolittle (0): Not Voting (9): jjh, Gobbledegook, mastina, Amrun, NSG, BBMolla, Elmo teh AzN, Menalique, DrDolittle

Thanks. I very rarely use tables and don’t know the coding for them very well.

[RadiantCowbells]

ftr i'm ambivalent about Mastina, i don't like what they're doing but i don't necessarily scumread it. jjh feels way way way wrong. he has said nothing besides for repeating a thing that i asked him to stop talking about

[BBmolla]

Not huge on Trojan Horse

RC Mastina pulled the whole “I read the rules so I know this thing about scum” and 9/10 it comes from scum trying to get Town cred

[Trojan Horses]

RC Mastina pulled the whole “I read the rules so I know this thing about scum” and 9/10 it comes from scum trying to get Town cred

This is a general read and not specific to Mastina meta, correct?

[mastina]

this seems like a really good way to create personality conflicts and given your team in TM had no qualms about abetting personality conflicts to win the normal I'm not putting it even slightly past you to be doing this deliberately to destroy town unity because that is objectively what shitting on half of the players in a game accomplishes

Is this talking to me?

If so, then uh.

I had literally nothing to do with my team in any of my games. Never read any of the games other than my own, never contributed, heck, I never read my team's PT contributions to their games. I had absolutely zero to do anything with them and I am not Pine, kuribo, or Xtoxm.

So if you were talking to me, trying to compare me to them does you zero favors.

tcalling RC and NSG both scums to prevent us potentially mutually townreading each other and making us both impossible mislynches?

manufacturing drama by calling a bunch of players shitty people to play with?

this isn't okay. and i have never known you as a player who deliberately stirs toxicity and that is exactly what you are doing right now.

Like, your first statement here seems to be directed at me since I stated a scumread on you and put nsg at near the bottom of my readslist, but the bolded, I haven't done this game. Nor have I ever done it as far as I can remember. I'll happily call players who I think are shitty scumhunters, shitty scumhunters (I see nothing wrong with saying that someone who isn't a strong scumhunter, isn't a strong scumhunter; that's just stating the truth), but I can't recall ever calling someone a shitty person that's shitty to play with. (Like, I tolerate playing with people like Yume when many many many others cannot. I legit don't think I've ever said someone was a shitty person that's shitty to play with.)

Down to blindly sheep Mastina. Mastina, who should I vote for?

Bernadetta, obv.

[Trojan Horses]

VOTE: Bernadetta

[RadiantCowbells]

Not talking to you about anything besides spying me and NSG and what I meant with 164 was that I think your play is fine. Like I think your reads are misguided but I don't actually see anything _wrong_ with it. I think it sucks to scumread me and NSG and it has scum motivation but I'm not accusing you of anything.

I believe it would help if you saw what I'm saying regarding Jjh and asked him to stop bringing it up so that he can engage with other aspects of the game.

[Trojan Horses]

This game feels too easy, actually

[mastina]

RC Mastina pulled the whole “I read the rules so I know this thing about scum” and 9/10 it comes from scum trying to get Town cred

You apparently haven't been reading my towngames as of late.

I didn't read the game rules initially, I read them only after the game had begun because I was checking on something and was a bit confused when the mechanics in play didn't seem to match what mechanics I thought were in place.

And since I have read the game mechanics, I'm pretty sure I actually know what the setup is if I am understanding them correctly, which is why I am approaching things the way I am. (I have a fairly good idea what Jingle's tendencies as a setup designer/mod are so I think I have a good read on the game but obviously, not something I intend to elaborate on until/unless we have a massclaim since I have a damn good idea of what roles will and won't be in the game. jjh probably has a decent guess at what I deduced, too, if he's town like I am generally assuming, since it's really not that hard to have guessed.)

[mastina]

This game feels too easy, actually

It does, actually. Kinda boring, to be honest--I'm trying to find ways to generate fun since I legit feel the game's been close to solved in less than eight pages.

It's obviously not fully fully solved, but like. I feel like we're just waiting for people to show up and all agree on what's already obvious right now, and then to refine, hone in, on perfection so to speak, closer to the time when we need to, so like.

Just chilling right now.

[Trojan Horses]

Wanna try figuring out who we are?

[mastina]

Wanna try figuring out who we are?

I generally assume any anonymous hydra onsite nowadays probably contains Krazy.

You'll be hard-pressed to convince me someone in your hydra isn't Krazy even if nobody in your hydra actually is, it's just drilled into my brain that unless there's two anonymous hydras in the same game,

every

anonymous hydra has one head as Krazy. (And in the case of 2+ anonymous hydras in a game, one be Krazy anyway.)