Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[Churros]

I’m here y’all. Expect lots of activity in the next 3 hours once I wake up properly. Sorry for my bad playstyle today.

Looking forward to this.

[Churros]

In fact I think this is more interesting

VOTE: SS

I'm not sure if I already said it somewhere but I'm not as confident on Taly anymore and I'm putting that into the fridge for now.

Regardless of NDmath's alignment, I don't think SS is likely town here, and if NDmath is town, I would say Blake is a slot to consider. But Blake/SS as partners doesn't mesh well for me.

Something that got my attention in SS posts was his "I'll BoP Blake on this read" while voting ND. Because if NDmath is town, he's setting up Blake as a mislynch in D3, while if NDmath is scum, it means Blake is probably town, and mathematically needs to have scum in [Taly, SS], which I think right now he's the worse slot.

Saying he'll vote NDmath for BoP rather than a proper vote also:

1. Makes it possible for him to join the wagon with little previous or current justification
2. Makes it possible for him to switch wagons from his hypothetical partner which he coincidentally already unvoted.

For the reasons above if Taly is town, SS is probably never town here, and the remaining two scum in [NDmath, Blake, Fire, Eyesott] doesn't matter right now to me.

[Blake Belladonna]

I see we are hitting a situation where somebody's scumlist is one step away from myself and my scumreads.

[Something_Smart]

Something that got my attention in SS posts was his "I'll BoP Blake on this read" while voting ND. Because if NDmath is town, he's setting up Blake as a mislynch in D3

This is a possible motivation for my actions. What makes it more likely than me just being town who respects Blake's reads?

(Also, keep in mind that I didn't end up voting NDMath because Blake said to-- I had my own reasons.)

[nomnomnom]

VC 2.3

NDMath (3):

Blake Belladonna, Paragon, Eyestott

Blake Belladonna (2):

Firebringer, NDMath

Something_Smart (1):

Churros

Not Voting:

Aloratom, Taly, Something_Smart

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-04-15 04:21:22)

Mod notice

• Prodding Firebringer.

[Taly]

Typing this post gave me some energy!

So what are you doing while you stall for him to talk?

Playing the game? I mean I don't expect him to take forever to respond...

It seems disingenuous that you've stated that you'll follow

Blake's

read or at least solve her based on the accuracy of her sort, yet don't follow through with voting

NDMath

, or push anyone else that has stated numerous opinions about her solve.

it feels more scum-indicative since he presented about half the plist as potential scum.

Blake-Paragon-Churros-Alo
S_S-Fire
NDMath-eyestott

I will say, with an NDMath townflip, half of my top townreads will become my top scumreads.

I am very confused. Even before you contradicted yourself.


I'm thinking S_S might have to be town here. I can't think of a reason for him to unvote me as scum, when it's quite simple for scum!him to let me die, and I see no way it would really come back to bite him.

There's literally two narratives based on what I'm seeing this game and neither give much clarity without a flip:
-My current townreads are accurate and they believe I've been buddied or townreading scum this game.
-My scumreads are actually town which I've second-guessed on, and I'm being played hard while being mislynchbaited D3.

Neither reality gives me good vibes, so, my reads may be fickle.

And

S_S

is a player that is often passive, and my fear with him is that he's only really solving players that he already knows.

(He's only given opinions about me or Blake exclusively.)

So it's less noticeable for him to assign a non-committal stance on the current wagons this game without actually sorting individuals. He may be sorting you now, but I'm not convinced of a town POV here.

I genuinely cannot see more than two realities at the moment.

Either my readslist is backwards, or it's not. I think scum exists in some form on both wagons, whether the wagon is on scum or scum is on it - or both.

However, I'd like to clarify this a little more. Does your readslist being backwards hinge on Blame Belladonna being scum?
How does your read on eyestott change if NDMath is town and Blake Belladonna is scum?

Not 100%, but I'd feel less confident in her being town and would definitely push her if I survive. But now that I think this aloud, I don't think

Blake

would gamble like this as scum? I mean, I can see one or two realities, but that's solely based on how N2 goes.

I remember someone asking about my TR on Paragon and it's rather simple. All the reasons everyone was scum reading him for in LyLo were silly pranks that I feel he tried to use to read other players or create reactions while not really highlighting the town process behind doing those things as lamist scum would likely do.

He voluntarily hurt his standing in the game to try reading other players. I don't think I've seen scum ever make that kind of play during my years playing mafia. I feel scum!Paragon would at some point try to take some kind of credit or highlight his thought process behind the silly lies but as much as I waited for that play, it never came.

The more I keep glancing back at my 1v1's, I really am starting to see the reason why

Paragon

viewed my push as scum.

In a

pops

-town world, her viewpoint of faking a posting restriction to defend a townread as well as find another townread through the division (

eyes

) feels much more town-indicative of

Paragon

- part of my reason for scumreading him was centered around my

Pops

tunnel.

And tbh, I abhor my reads D1 in retrospect - especially with the idea that

Fuzzy

was also town - so I'm feeling better about

Paragon

for the moment.

In fact I think this is more interesting

VOTE: SS

I'm not sure if I already said it somewhere but I'm not as confident on Taly anymore and I'm putting that into the fridge for now.

Regardless of NDmath's alignment, I don't think SS is likely town here, and if NDmath is town, I would say Blake is a slot to consider. But Blake/SS as partners doesn't mesh well for me.

Something that got my attention in SS posts was his "I'll BoP Blake on this read" while voting ND. Because if NDmath is town, he's setting up Blake as a mislynch in D3, while if NDmath is scum, it means Blake is probably town, and mathematically needs to have scum in [Taly, SS], which I think right now he's the worse slot.

Saying he'll vote NDmath for BoP rather than a proper vote also:

1. Makes it possible for him to join the wagon with little previous or current justification
2. Makes it possible for him to switch wagons from his hypothetical partner which he coincidentally already unvoted.

For the reasons above if Taly is town, SS is probably never town here, and the remaining two scum in [NDmath, Blake, Fire, Eyesott] doesn't matter right now to me.

What makes the bolded a reason to vote

S_S

and not

NDMath

?

Blake

has aligned an in-depth viewpoint about the gamestate pointing to the implications of

NDMath's

flip but you haven't commented on that.

I'm not keen on being shelved by you when you keep placing me in SvT dichotomies with other players as you do here and 1849. I get that it's not new in how you handle this slot 1205 but:

Churros, does my read on you impact your read on me at all? Whether I scumread or townread you.

It's townier for you to revert on town reading me rather than flaking on me here,

although I never expected scum!you to keep hard pushing me when I opened dialogue. I think you subconsciously would know it would look forced and you would flake a bit on your read on me and maybe return to it on a later day or try to make me TR you so you can NK me and look good.

Short answer: Not really.

Long asnwer: Kinda but still not really yet.

With you proposing a reality that me townreading you is a setup to NK you - and your read of me does not matter based on my read progression of you - it is

incredibly

easy to manufacture a push on me as scum in spite of

S_S

or

NDMath's

alignment here, and your above attitude to this slot plays into that.

If you want to tackle the suspicion on me while giving a solve that shows you believe in it, then sort me or work with me here. I think you're likelier town AND I follow the argument of

S_S

-scum here, but can you exercise teamwork if I'm not your favorite lynch anymore? I don't care if you townread me, but if we're both entertaining realities where we are both town, we should act on it.

I see we are hitting a situation where somebody's scumlist is one step away from myself and my scumreads.

Did you anticipate this?

-

On another note

I’m here y’all. Expect lots of activity in the next 3 hours once I wake up properly. Sorry for my bad playstyle today.

I want to hear this before I decide a lynch here.

[Something_Smart]

It seems disingenuous that you've stated that you'll follow Blake's read or at least solve her based on the accuracy of her sort, yet don't follow through with voting NDMath, or push anyone else that has stated numerous opinions about her solve.

But I did vote NDMath...

[eyestott]

Okay, here we go!

Spoiler: Excuses Schmexcuses

I injured my back at the gym about a month ago and it's been getting worse ever since, but the past few days I've been pretty much bedridden. Then we also had rain so bad that part of our house flooded, so not fun either. I've also just been feeling quite disheartened about this game. Quite a few of you have called me out today for being a bad player, which is much harder to deal with emotionally than being scumread, especially with everything else going on in my life.

Ask me questions about things y'all, and I'll engage with you as best I can.

[Taly]

It seems disingenuous that you've stated that you'll follow Blake's read or at least solve her based on the accuracy of her sort, yet don't follow through with voting NDMath, or push anyone else that has stated numerous opinions about her solve.

But I did vote NDMath...

And any thoughts around the wagons or a readslist?

Okay, here we go!

Spoiler: Excuses Schmexcuses

I injured my back at the gym about a month ago and it's been getting worse ever since, but the past few days I've been pretty much bedridden. Then we also had rain so bad that part of our house flooded, so not fun either. I've also just been feeling quite disheartened about this game. Quite a few of you have called me out today for being a bad player, which is much harder to deal with emotionally than being scumread, especially with everything else going on in my life.

Ask me questions about things y'all, and I'll engage with you as best I can.

Readslist. Go.

Also, do you think your reply to my vote on you was weird? 1959

[Something_Smart]

And any thoughts around the wagons or a readslist?

My readlist is like
you
blake?
everyone
churros
ndmath

I still want to hear from NDMath about why Blake is scummy.

[Churros]

Something that got my attention in SS posts was his "I'll BoP Blake on this read" while voting ND. Because if NDmath is town, he's setting up Blake as a mislynch in D3

This is a possible motivation for my actions. What makes it more likely than me just being town who respects Blake's reads?

(Also, keep in mind that I didn't end up voting NDMath because Blake said to-- I had my own reasons.)

Blake had just lead on Fuzzy which flipped town

Blake had a lot of other content and you saying you will apparently evaluate your read on her based on if her reads flip scum or not doesn't feel great.

Anyhow I think just by PoE you're the most likely scum slot at this point. I've either some gut pings or dichotomies that leads me to believe certain people probably aren't scum together, therefore...

[Churros]

My readlist is like
you
blake?
everyone
churros
ndmath

That's a very cute read list.

[eyestott]

Also, do you think your reply to my vote on you was weird? 1959

Just looked at it. Nope. I wouldn't change what I said. Then again, I have the benefit of actually knowing my own headspace.
Do you just want a hierarchy for the readslist, or in depth explanations for each one?

[Something_Smart]

Blake had a lot of other content and you saying you will apparently evaluate your read on her based on if her reads flip scum or not doesn't feel great.

I didn't say that, though I did kind of imply it. I never said that'd be the only thing I would base my read on.

[Something_Smart]

And, I voted NDMath for actual reasons and did not cite Blake in doing so. How is that setting up to turn on her tomorrow?

[Churros]

Taly what do you mean by teamwork?

I'm like, momentarily open to dialogue and properly answering questions or giving feedback to you. What exactly more would you expect from me and why?

[Churros]

And, I voted NDMath for actual reasons and did not cite Blake in doing so. How is that setting up to turn on her tomorrow?

Yeah, sure.

This is your ISO, it says hello:

As for votes I'm very tempted to sheep Blake.

I'm still interested in BoP Blake as a strategy for today, ngl.

Why not Churros or I getting BoP'd?

I'm trying very hard to phrase this in a way that doesn't sound like an insult lol. I guess the best way is to just be blunt? In my experience, Blake's reads have been better than yours, and it's not that yours are bad, just that hers are very good

Now here it's your vote on NDmath:

both scum

VOTE: NDMath

The "actual reasons" of yours:

NDMath already made the conclusion that there's 2 mafia in 1802, what made you L-1 him when he said it here?

"I'm tempted to try to work with this assumption" is different from taking it as a given without even mentioning it.

Sure SS, sure.

[Churros]

And, I voted NDMath for actual reasons and did not cite Blake in doing so. How is that setting up to turn on her tomorrow?

Actually this post is hilarious in hindsight especially if I'm right.

[Something_Smart]

Sure SS, sure.

I don't follow your point.

[eyestott]

Reads:

Town
Myself
Aloratom
Taly

Null
Firebringer
Churros
Paragon

Scum
Something Smart
Blake
NDMath

[Paragon]

Taly, could you also address how your read on eyestott changes based on NDMath's flip? Is your scumread on him an independent or associative one?

[eyestott]

Taly, could you also address how your read on eyestott changes based on NDMath's flip? Is your scumread on him an independent or associative one?

Paragon, lets chat.
What do you think of NDMath's claim?

[Paragon]

Explanations for those reads would be amazing, eyestott! They don't have to be very long.

About NDMath's claim: I think scum!him essentially locked himself into a vanilla townie or one-shot vigilante claim with his setup spec earlier. For a moment, I did consider why he didn't claim one-shot vig, since it would allow him to out the vigilante on his way out. However, with a counterclaim, that would also guarantee his death, so his VT claim would coincide with him holding out hope of surviving this day yet.

[Paragon]

Ame chipped in while Luca Blight and popsofctown were embroiled in a heated argument earlier. It surprised me because she's technically not dead; she's just transformed into some kind of strange fire creature, but her past self seems to want to join the Paragon-losing-his-mind-party regardless.
Anyway, she makes a good peacemaker. She suggested that the current Kamek profile picture was optimal for now, and that a reasonable compromise would involve changing it at the start of the next day, given we survive the night. Thanks, Ame.

[Churros]

Sure SS, sure.

I don't follow your point.

You cited Blake three times before voting and after voting your unique "actual reasons" is a perspective slip by him described in a one-liner.

I don't follow how can you not understand the point I'm making here?