Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[Datisi]

Madoka, you gonna explain your fakeclaim and give us your claim?

[Madoka]

Yes, I was working on the other post I promised you but I'll do that now. I'm neap. I investigated George because of his play surrounding bugs. Seeing as me and George were top suspects for today, I didn't see the point of wasting time withholding. I went about it the way I did because I wanted to force George to claim. I saw three possible scenarios:

1. He claims vanilla = confirmed scum
2. He claims something that targeted Hiraki = likely scum
3. He claims a PR that didn't target Hiraki = very likely town

I didn't claim Neap because I didn't want him to simply claim to have a PR. I wanted the potential to catch him in a vanilla claim.

[Madoka]

I don't think he's scum at all for that claim.

[Madoka]

This is from my notepad:

Datisi - not scum with bugs or Hiraki | scum with hem
humaneatingmonkey - not scum with Hiraki | scum with Datisi
HoldenGolden - not scum with George
shiki - not scum with Hiraki or Bugs or George


GeorgeBailey - not scum with Hiraki or Bugs or Shiki or Holden
bugspray - not scum with Hiraki or George or Shiki or Datisi
Luca Blight
Hiraki - not scum with bugs or George


It doesn't have the relevant posts yet because at the time I was just working through the possible teams for myself. I believe I started out with an initial list of something like: Datisi > Luca > Hiraki | Hem > Holden > Shiki | George > bugs from towniest to scummiest. Then as I worked through interactions with bugs, they moved up as there were so many people that I didn't think could be their mate. Then I went through George and found the same thing. I did this going up the list, rearranging it as based on what I was getting from interactions. When I got to Hiraki, I went on a meta dive and came across a scum game where he played similarly and thinking about the points George brought up against him, I reconsidered my view and thought he was just bad scum. Luca was the only one I had yet to exclude as being partners with anyone. And I felt like this whole thing with Hiraki was partner-like from bad scum who often have unnatural aggression toward their partners. I also don't think Luca's position on Bugs excludes him from being their partner at all. It's different with Datisi because he was actively pushing for Bugs throughout the day. Luca kind of just sat on it. Also this series of posts made me feel bugs and Luca also had partner potential:

Spoiler:

remeber the game before where we were TvT and screamed at each other for 100 pages before you quickhammered me? good times.

Yeah, I think I just don't like your style, which is fine.

Perfectly fine with my vote atm. This conversation seems more than forced and really dumb. I don't get how a conversation that has nothing to do with the game will help you figure out something that has to do with the game when you don't even have a good grasp of Datasi's meta after 3 pages. And Datasi has the most posts in this game by far without me checking.

Content leads to more content. Simple as that, really.

Not sure what Datisi’s post count has to do with anything.

Because you're trying to metaread someone that you clearly cannot metaread very well and you were tetering on trying to call them scum based off of that. You can say that "oooohhh noooooo I was just trying to figure it out!" but talking to someone about their meta is about the

worst

way to figure someone out using their meta. This is something that was clearly shown through your conversation.

How do you know I can’t metaread them well?

And my post was as much about announcing my suspicions as the conversation.

Again, I’m not sure what you’re expecting a few pages in, but you’re not exactly offering a lot yourself.

ye i agree luca's town

lamist

but bugspray, you agree that you townread him, so whats up

luca stands out as townish to me; his tone feels different to that newbie game where i was masons with clidd and he was scum

its just a brainworm meta read

wrt 86
i just really like saying lamist because i pronounce it funny in my brain every time i type it
lamist lamist lamist lamist

was there *any point* to you saying "lamist" there?

yeah i like saying lamist

was there *any point* to you saying "lamist" there?

yeah i like saying lamist

speaking of georgebailey it would be cool to see him post more tbh

Bugs, could you give a real answer on what you were referring to as lamist?

it was a tinfoil hat brainworm post

lamist

hot take: bugs is not town

i like early reads from people because it's good information.

why is bugs not town?

Hm, i was kinda hoping bugs would be the first to react. anyway. more than half their ISO feels like pure fluff and filler. 68 asks a question that has already been asked multiple times and half answered. 76 81 86 have no game content. half of 96 and 100 is justification for no content post. it all feels off.

pedit: and continuation of justifying the no content post.

people keep asking about the lamist post so im gonna keep answering

it was a tinfoil hat brainworm post

Were you saying that Luca's 85 was lamist for agreeing that he is town?

What does brainworm mean?

it was a tinfoil hat brainworm post

Were you saying that Luca's 85 was lamist for agreeing that he is town?

What does brainworm mean?

it was an impulse post i but that's a good explanation for the mindset i prolly had at the time

brainworms are worms that eat your brain and make you stupid


pedit: 3rd party setup spec is kinda weird. im ps ure there cant be 3rd party in micro normals

I felt (and still feel) like bugs dancing around their lamist call out was scum who TMI scum read their partners posts that wasn't actually scummy. Scum are more likely to notice suspicious things bout their partner and to scum read things that aren't scummy to other people because they are biased by the knowledge they have that their partner is scum. I think bugs impulse reacted to their partner's post (despite the fact that they just called them town) and then backtracked on it making it some joke about just liking to say lamist after they were called out.

I also think their reaction here is partner indicative:

I think the team is Hiraki and Luca.

UNVOTE: Hiraki

Er, Madoka what about your Bug scumread? Also why are you scumreading Luca?

yeah id like to hear about the luca sr as well considering i and others locktowned him early on
although i locktowned him in my newbie game where i was masons with clidd and then he fucking owned that game as scum so this whole situation is making me feel like datisi in lylo

Anyway, again I need to go through and link the reasons for why I excluded such and such from being partners. I just wanted to give you an idea of my process and the timeline. Doing that now. (btw I noticed that I didn't exclude Holden from being bugs partner either, so I was incorrect before here. I think I meant to go back to Holden but was convinced on Luca + Hiraki and I just stopped there before posting and going to bed)

Sorry for any typos, I don't feel like proofreading.

[Micc]

Votecount 2.01

Madoka (1) -

HoldenGolden

Not Voting (6) -

Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Luca Blight, Madoka, GeorgeBailey, shiki

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2020-04-09 22:35:00).

[Luca Blight]

Datisi, yes but it would be pretty silly for scum!me to just come out of nowhere and push Hiraki with no progression. Upon his town flip it would just condemn me/bugs as the team. Additionally, Bugs not trying to save themselves indicates that scum were in a bus state, not a salvage state.

My Hiraki/Luca theory came from PoE when going through bug's interactions. I was with you in bugs scum, but based on their interactions I didn't think they could be scum with anyone but Luca. But I made an error in discounting George. (I didn't think they would be as obvious as they were being). The interactions between the other players only left bugs/Luca and Hiraki/Luca and I went with the latter because of how Hiraki engaged Luca at the beginning, seemed partner-like. Again, I'll go through my process later tonight.

This is just a scum post. Saying she thought Bugs was scum but couldn’t be partners with anyone but me is not a townie thought process at all - there was a fair bit of resistance to that wagon and me and Datisi were the only ones pushing it. This thought process only makes sense from the perspective of scum wanting to validate their protection of their buddy, while lining up two ML (George and then me).

I’ve seen enough.

VOTE: Madoka

P.edit: might as well read through this first.

UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

okay at this point i think a massclaim is in order.

[Luca Blight]

It’s interesting how all the Bugs/Luca associations Madoka gave were from things Bugs said.

If I didn’t want a Bugs lynch then Bugs wouldn’t have been lynched, simple as that. I would never needlessly bus my partner D1 when there were two other players close to be lynched.

I’m VT.

[Datisi]

okay. whoever is unclaimed, claim in your next post. i'll be fullclaiming last.

[Datisi]

If I didn’t want a Bugs lynch then Bugs wouldn’t have been lynched, simple as that. I would never needlessly bus my partner D1 when there were two other players close to be lynched.

for the record, this is true. i expressed willingness to compromise on a different wagon and directly asked luca if he is too. he didn't budge. i was literally the only other person pushing for bugs.

i'm treating luca as a mason unless proven otherwise.

[Luca Blight]

How about we no-lynch. George protects Datisi, Madoka investigates me.

[Madoka]

At one point early on I was also considering bus + Shiki which is why I asked them his:

What do you think of shiki's case on humaneatingmonkey (hem)?

okay just basically reading skiki iso casing as if im tunneling scum!shiki

Have you researched others in the game (other than Luca)?

yes, i researched the player list, though some more extensively than others.

would scum wnt to research scumslips other slots have made in the past to try and mislynch them on it?
tbh seems like a smart plan i should try that

183 is a lot of shit uhhh.....
basicalyl trying to discredit hem with the fallacy fallacy (this is a real fallacy im not being a dumbass i swear)

seems upset that monkey is poking hikari with a stick, seemingly to get an angery scumslitp

the thing about acitivyt feels reachy


shiki hikari scumteam maybe?

my lunch pool is hikari>gb=shiki

my lunch pool is hikari>gb=shiki

Why Hikari?

his vibes feel weird to me

his vibes feel weird to me

Can you give an example? Also what happened to your Datisi read?

I wanted to see how they would treat Shiki and thought it was interesting that after coming up with a scum read on her, they then came up with Hiraki > gb=shiki. I felt like this was a way to push a town player over their partner while treating them as partners. I wanted to get their reasoning on Hikari because Hikari and Shiki were both pushing Hem for similar reasons so it seemed off that they put Hiraki

over

Shiki.

I've forgotten why I felt they couldn't be partners afterward, but I'll see if it still holds up as I'm going through my list from before.

[Madoka]

EBWOP: At one point early on I was also considering bugs + Shiki which is why I asked them this

[Madoka]

How about we no-lynch. George protects Datisi, Madoka investigates me.

I don't think this would be helpful. If you're scum, you're goon here. This would just lead to George being killed who I feel is pretty much confirmed town.

[Datisi]

Madoka, what result does a Neapolitan get?

[Madoka]

Can I say it as it's written?

[Datisi]

You can't quote it. But you can paraphrase it. For example, Cop checks for alignment. What does a Neapolitan check?

[Madoka]

Oh wait nevermind I see. I thought it just told me if they were vanilla but it tells me if they are a vanilla townie or not.

[Datisi]

Yeah lmao. Goon!Luca would not appear as a VT.

[Madoka]

Interesting, that's better than I thought!

[Luca Blight]

Exactly, so you’d know if I were lying.

Most probably I’d be NK.

[Madoka]

Well we shouldn't waste it on you then!

[Datisi]

Yeah, I'm currently working out a mech startegy, since if you get a result that someone is a VT, they're confirmed innocent. But for obvious reasons we need a full massclaim first before I get into it.

[GeorgeBailey]

Huh, well i'm glad I unvoted then.

[GeorgeBailey]

Sucks that i'm dying tonight though