Mini Normal 2130: Mafia From Home [Game Over]

[Churros]

VOTE: Looker

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is unlike you. Rarely does your town meta feature aggressive, snarky appeals to emotion like this.

I am one of the rarest specimens.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi Churros. Sorry i played bad up to now. I told myself i wouldn’t do it. But i did. There’s no escaping it. Anyway the reason for my scumread on you was that i found it weird you would come in and say i was town then VLA for 3 days. But your catch up looks better so i don’t think your overtly scummy anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did Una say anything important? I didn’t really read most of it.

[UnaBombaH]

Did Una say anything important? I didn’t really read most of it.

You've got to be kidding me.

[Luca Blight]

If there’s a vig you’re the ideal target anyway given your claim.

I’m actually wondering if Profii/Una is s/s after all. Such weird interactions.

Early game Luca irked me

Right now I'm just nodding my head vigorously

I recommend to include Riabi on the list as well, his Saudade read isn't consistent, it kinda fluctuates from "must lynch" to "I want him to talk" with no reason.

How did I irk you early game?

Feels serious/frustrated in a way that I’m not sure would some from town in that situation, and manipulative; as though Churros is subtly threatening NorwegianboyEE that he’ll SR him if Nor continues to ‘irk’ him.

These scum reads on me are reachy?

There's a lot of stretchy here, when I threatened Norwe anyway? We came to play this game together and I was in a good mood/being friendly.

I never said any of his posts did "irk" me either therefore the "threat" of scum reading him if he continues to "irk" me comes from nowhere since I never said anything about any of his posts irking me at that moment.

You're just throwing shade at this post.

By the way I town read Saudade for some reason.

It was the underlying impression I got from your post. ‘Don’t alienate me’, for example, seems like a warning. ‘I thought that was the purpose of this game....’, feels unduly serious and frustrated.

It’s subtle, but this is my interpretation of your post, and others seem to agree.

[Luca Blight]

Norwe compromissing on Anotora it's also a bit puzzling. It's not like Una/Profi are really impossible, and Anotora wagon has no resistance like you said, even if I SR her. It simply had not been in the spotlight.

This is some weird shade.

It’s pretty obvious that NorwegianboyEE was pushing Una but, like me, eased off for the reasons Zant detailed. Anotora’s wagon hasn’t grown enough to judge it it’s had ‘resistance’, and if you genuinely SR them you wouldn’t be puzzled by a push there.

[Luca Blight]

My thoughts is that town needs to get their shit together, pick a target. And lynch them. It's time to compromise and see some flips.

Ok norwe feels kind of weird now.

Again, I see no problem with what NorwegianboyEE said?

[Saudade]

Luca Blight town too

[Luca Blight]

Hmm and then Churros is suddenly back to NorwegianboyEE being Town again in his next post. I’m not following this progression. I’m also not vibing with his strong Saudade TR, who is a flat null for me right now.

[Saudade]

upgrade my social status right this moment luca

[Saudade]

i'll have you know i am still mason

[Luca Blight]

I'm all caught up. That took me a bit more than expected.

I'm gonna sleep with [Saudade, Norwe] as town. I regained my good feelings on Norwe with some of his very recent posts. I'll chalk up his bolder approach here as...I don't know, mood?

I see why people like [Luca, Zan] but as of right now I just don't feel good giving them any town lean. Luca push on me was very very reachy, and Zan town reading Profi for being too scummy is...uh.

Let's do a group exercise. Can you post how many times and specify vaguely who or when you've seen someone town TR a player because "he's too scummy to be scum"?

Now try to remember how many times scum has implied, hinted or outright said that argument.

In my experience it's a lot more characteristic of scum to take the top 1 wagon, look and say "too scummy to be scum". I myself know I use it and see it a lot more from scum, but I've done it as town, however, I had quite some caution towards it, while Zantetsu just...gave away the town read.

It doesn't sit well to me even if the rest of his post is good.

With regards to ‘too scummy to be scum’, I really don’t associate it as coming from one alignment or another. In some cases it’s very much justified, and although I don’t agree with Zant on this point I can see where he’s coming from.

I feel like you’re blowing up this very insignificant thing to cast doubt on a player who is being TR, and possibly to undermine Zant’s view on Profii.

[Luca Blight]

And now Churros has gone from this:

Norwe compromissing on Anotora it's also a bit puzzling. It's not like Una/Profi are really impossible, and Anotora wagon has no resistance like you said, even if I SR her. It simply had not been in the spotlight.

...to this:

I feel indecisive on who to vote here

Four options. Too many for day 1.

I want to engage Una but it's too late for that at the moment.

I'll leave with

VOTE: Anotora

And no-one else has posted in the time between these two posts.

It feels like a perspective slip of sorts; he forgets the opinion he had before, because it was fabricated. This can happen from town, but Churros posted all this in quick succession. It doesn’t make sense how he could shade NorwegianboyEE for wagoing Anotora because there’s no resistance, and the proceed to do so himself a few posts later, without it being disingenuous.

[NorwegianboyEE]

:v
Churros might be scum.
But i didn't want to believe it.

[Luca Blight]

My current theory is that Battle Mage and one of Zantetsu/Norwegianboy are buddies. Evidence leans towards Norwegianboy; I am actually somewhat satisfied now with Zantetsu's town-bolstering effort, certainly much more so than eight pages ago.

Zantetsu/Norweg reads to me strongly as TvS.

Battle Mage's post 339 reads to me as scum trying to play for long-term town credibility by having one scum and one town in the pair he's gunning for. Battle Mage accuses Norweg of buddying up to Zantetsu, yet still sees this as reflecting badly on Zantetsu for some reason. It comes off as reaching for reasons to attack Zant's playerslot.

I'm still rereading the thread. Sorry for my low activity.

What gives you that impression?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But Anotora is still scummy tho. So i prefer voting there today.

[Luca Blight]

Una’s tone is townie recently, although i continue to disagree with his view of the game.

[Firebringer]

Flavor: If you don't get more mafia work done, we are going to have to disconnect your wifi.

Vote Count 1.05

UnaBombah (1): 72offsuit
proffi (3): Egix96, Riabi, Battle Mage
Looker (1): Churros
NorwegianboyEEE (2): UnaBOmbah, Anotora,
Anotora (4): Saudade, NorwegianboyEE, Zantetsu, proffii,
Churros (2): Luca Blight, Looker

Not Voting (1):

Time Until Deadline (expired on 2020-04-14 20:00:00)
With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

[Luca Blight]

Churros’ reaction to Looker’s vote on him seems over the top.

NorwegianboyEE, is this kind of reaction normal from Town!Churros in your experience?

[Churros]

Ok fuck this game quite honestly

[Churros]

I tried to be open, understanding and all because of Norwe's sake but this kind of bullshit reasoning is why I find playing scum not really hard. I'm clearly getting a default scum read in a group mentality in a stale gamestate and Luca "scum hunting" is rather predatory and biased. I don't get for a second the impression you're trying to read my slot, I rather get the impression you're trying to justify a scum read on me.

This game is making me remember why I retired from mafia and created this alt to play low-effort. It's also making me remember why I don't waste my time anymore explaining things.

I stayed up to almost midnight efforting this game and I don't sense anyone is reading my posts without bias of thinking I might be scum for an incoventional entrance and some lurking in the weekend.

For fuck sake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Churros’ reaction to Looker’s vote on him seems over the top.

NorwegianboyEE, is this kind of reaction normal from Town!Churros in your experience?

I've played with scum!Churros once. They also had a resigned attitude in that game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't want to vote you today Churros, i'm just suspicious is all.
That can easily change because i really really want to believe you are town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw Luca are you actually ok with voting Anotoras? Because that seems like a wagon most people can agree on and i highly suspect it will be the best compromise lynch possible.