Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[humaneatingmonkey]

Did Datisi claim IC??

[GeorgeBailey]

I don't believe so.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm under the impression that he also has a PR claim that wraps everything up. Otherwise, this massclaiming is whack.

[GeorgeBailey]

Who did you cop last night?

[GeorgeBailey]

You never mentioned it when you claimed

[humaneatingmonkey]

I didn't cop last night

[GeorgeBailey]

oh i'm dumb, I just looked up what novice is, RIP.

[HoldenGolden]

Ah.

Holden, I'm not sure. I think your play is most suspicious. It feels like cornered scum looking for a way out.

But see your game example along with Luca's clarification shows what I am saying.

That system had mafia town neighbors with Neap
This game has that AND Bodyguard and PT cop

That is why I am calling bullshit here. If we believe this, then the set up has 4 of the town as PR roles with ways of checking more while protecting those who claim via the BG and a much more powerful check once Day 3 hits via the novice TA/PT cop. Hence why I was saying godfather since that would weaken the invest strength much more, yet that apparently is not normal.

Datisi is a "weak IC" because we know that they aren't mafia due to the neighborhood with bugs. Once bugs filps, Datisi becomes a IC basically

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm under the impression that he also has a PR claim that wraps everything up. Otherwise, this massclaiming is whack.

I think he's trying to figure out what the maf PR is, so we can work around it? That's the impression I got.

[HoldenGolden]

I'm under the impression that he also has a PR claim that wraps everything up. Otherwise, this massclaiming is whack.

I think he's trying to figure out what the maf PR is, so we can work around it? That's the impression I got.

I trying to figure out if there is a situation where this set up makes sense for Town (so yes in a sense) and I can believe all the claims, which I do not.

Datisi threw out Goon before HEM's claim, yet I think now if we try to accommodate it the goon is no longer balanced

[humaneatingmonkey]

i really don't think Madoka would lie about the gambit unless she was super sure that she was today's lynch...

[GeorgeBailey]

HEM's role sounds really in line with the neighborhood role, so I honestly believe him there.

[humaneatingmonkey]

am I alone in thinking Madoka and George is conftown now?

[GeorgeBailey]

Hopefully not.

[Datisi]

Hi my dudes sorry I slept like 4 hours last night so I went to take a nap

I'm a basic Town Neighbor

I'm not a Neighborizer, I can't create hoods

Also gimmie a bit to get coffee and write a strategy

[GeorgeBailey]

ok one of us has to be lying

[HoldenGolden]

if Datisi does not break the game, I'm gonna be very salty
again, no pressure

Which goes back to this

If we can agree all the claims are legit, then the game can be broken. Otherwise, we are auto-losing most likely by putting trust into all the supposed PR roles since we will go to lylo
Example if we lynch and mafia kills each night:
6v1 4 prs
4v1 3 prs
2v1 2 prs

So either in lylo everybody lynches the vanilla person or end up doing now which is debating the validity of the claims (expect they would have night actions. Although scum at this point fakeclaiming an invest role will make up a guilty check one way or the other.)

And I will admit, I am not nearly experienced in set up spec or anything. But the sheer numbers and power of what we supposedly have feels way off. That is why I am trying hard to rationalize what the hell this is by finding the missing link with scum PR.

[shiki]

so george and datisi are confirmed. if scum!george is good enough to think 'madoka is bluffing i'm not caught here, i will claim bodyguard targeting luca' i am okay with losing to it. scum!luca seems incredibly unlikely. if given the gift of bugspray as scum partner, i don't see how one would decide to vote for them, never consider any other options despite two wagons forming and eventually participate in their lynch. keep it mind that there isn't even a way for luca to set up a game win by being townread for this because it confirms too many people. look around town right now. i'd say luca is almost 100%. this leaves monkey, madoka, and holden. which happens to be exactly the right number of players we need to narrow it down to.

am I alone in thinking Madoka and George is conftown now?

what confirms madoka?

[humaneatingmonkey]

The only reason I can see Madoka fakeclaiming Tracker and then fakeclaiming Neap again is to survive to LYLO using the investigative role immunity while culling VTs along the way. But then again, she didn't know that the game would proceed to massclaim — so it was a gamble for her to do that. It would have been easier to try and ML me or Luca.

[HoldenGolden]

so george and datisi are confirmed. if scum!george is good enough to think 'madoka is bluffing i'm not caught here, i will claim bodyguard targeting luca' i am okay with losing to it. scum!luca seems incredibly unlikely. if given the gift of bugspray as scum partner, i don't see how one would decide to vote for them, never consider any other options despite two wagons forming and eventually participate in their lynch. keep it mind that there isn't even a way for luca to set up a game win by being townread for this because it confirms too many people. look around town right now. i'd say luca is almost 100%. this leaves monkey, madoka, and holden. which happens to be exactly the right number of players we need to narrow it down to.

am I alone in thinking Madoka and George is conftown now?

what confirms madoka?

This

George's role makes sense with being a weak protection role out of the three (him/Monkey/Madoka) then having two invest options.

Monkey's claim is the most suspect out of the remaining two since if he does not fakeclaim, then the game is autolose for Scum!Monkey due to letting town break the game with a neap check (I guess unless scum role is roleblocker, then it would allow scum a way out). By claiming Novice, scum!Monkey gets out of confirming one of the townies as VT or confirming one of the PR roles (which would cause him the game come Lylo).

I agree however with george that novice PT cop does sound it would be run in a set up with BG and mafia/town neighbors, hence why I am not autovoting Monkey.

[humaneatingmonkey]

scum!luca seems incredibly unlikely. if given the gift of bugspray as scum partner, i don't see how one would decide to vote for them, never consider any other options despite two wagons forming and eventually participate in their lynch. keep it mind that there isn't even a way for luca to set up a game win by being townread for this because it confirms too many people. look around town right now. i'd say luca is almost 100%.

i agree that scum luca is very unlikely... but I think it's at least plausible that bugspray would be bussed from the beginning. buddying up bugspray in D1 wasn't exactly the best thing to do as bugspray's partner. they could have coordinated that move in daychat when it was clear bugs will be the lynch.

[shiki]

culling VTs along the way

scum is in shiki and Holden. With a very very small chance of Luca.

you were saying

[humaneatingmonkey]

as scum!monkey I definitely have the ability to just say I targeted Hiraki because he was my main suspect from D1.

[humaneatingmonkey]

culling VTs along the way

scum is in shiki and Holden. With a very very small chance of Luca.

you were saying

oh

[humaneatingmonkey]

what if the last scum had a PR that invalidates one of us?