Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[HoldenGolden]

so, what i got so far. alive people are {Datisi, Luca, Madoka, George, shiki, Holden, Monkey}

claims:
Datisi - Town Neighbor
Madoka - Town Neapolitan
George - Town Bodyguard
Monkey - Town Novice PT Cop
Luca, shiki, Holden - VTs

confirmed Town:

Datisi - Neighbor with flipped scum also did you read Day 1.

Madoka - if Madoka were fakeclaiming here, the setup would've been a Town Novice PT Cop, Town Bodyguard, Town Neighbour vs scum Neighbor + possibly something that would've told Madoka George isn't Vanilla. Which is Much not balanced.

Not Mech confirmed but very very likely town: George (way he ciaimed) and Luca (did you read Day 1)

ok possible game plan.

Day 2 we lynch Holden. if scum, game over. assume Town.

On Night 2, George protects Madoka. Madoka checks shiki. Monkey checks Luca.

I am currently trying to figure out the way Day 3 happens based on claims and who dies. But every time it just seems like scum gets caught in the end.

Also setup-wise, I really think everyone's claims other thank Monkey's fit as a balanced setup.

Actually a perhaps better plan for Night 2:
- George protects Madoka. Madoka checks shiki. Monkey checks Madoka.

If Monkey claims to be roleblocked and have No Result, we still know Madoka claim is true since the setup would be completely broken if she was a scum blocking role.

However, if we all collectively agree that Madoka's claim is true, then Monke checking Madoka is pointless anyway. ugh.

Night 2:
George protects Madoka, Madoka checks Luca, Monkey checks Shiki.

Scum is forced here to fakeclaim a guity if impersanating a PR, or all are true and we find scum.

6v1 I die -> 5v1 NK -> 4v1 lynched the wrong person in that pool -> 3v1 NK -> solved game

[HoldenGolden]

Can roleblocker bypass BG protection by rbing them?

I would assume scumRoleblocker here would have the ability to carry KP as well as being able to RB

[Datisi]

the problem is that i really don't think shiki is scum you feel me

pedit: well, first the Roleblocker would have to be multitasking, and even if he did, Monkey would still check shiki, and can't wrongfully claim chiki is scum because we would lynch him Day 4.

[Datisi]

Night 2:
George protects Madoka, Madoka checks Luca, Monkey checks Shiki.

Scum is forced here to fakeclaim a guity if impersanating a PR, or all are true and we find scum.

6v1 I die -> 5v1 NK -> 4v1 lynched the wrong person in that pool -> 3v1 NK -> solved game

the problem with this is that if there's a scum fakeclaiming a PR, they can theoretically claim No Result. But I'm really not sure if it matters because a lot of people are just so blindingly town that idk if this all even matters

[Datisi]

like, the Mech person in me is telling me to just lynch Monkey here because that claim doesn't make sense

but the last time i was like "hurr durr that claim doesn't make sense" i ended up leading the lynch on the town's last protective role which pretty much directly resulted in scum winning the game so i am a bit terrified of doing that again

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm gonna go to sleep now.

[Madoka]

No Datisi was the obvious kill choice. George probably killed Hiraki to make me look bad (for the town flip).

datisi was also the more obvious choice for protection and both were confirmed. my smiling gif had a 'my bad i am sorry and i am happy for this development' built into it.

I think Shiki's reactions here are mega townie.

[humaneatingmonkey]

just tell me what to do and i'll do it.

[Madoka]

Like I don't think she knew I was faking. Her reaction was really genuine. As well as her questioning of George afterward.

[Datisi]

the problem is when i look at the Plays and stuff i don't think either of shiki and luca are town holy fucc

actually new idea lemme think it through

pedit: ye i'm thinking about Stuff

we have 2 and a half days left

i will figure it out

[Datisi]

i don't think either of shiki and luca are town holy fucc

i don't think either of them are scum* obviously

[HoldenGolden]

the problem is that i really don't think shiki is scum you feel me

pedit: well, first the Roleblocker would have to be multitasking, and even if he did, Monkey would still check shiki, and can't wrongfully claim chiki is scum because we would lynch him Day 4.

Mafia only has to wrong claim if they cannot do it (as otherwise they have made everyone town.

Datisi confirmed
Geroge dies
I am died
Madoka + 1 is cleared (we say luca)
Monkey + 1 is cleared (we will say shiki)

Therefore if they don't the pool of Madoka/Monkey gets lynched Day 3/4.

Well ket's see

Assuming PR claims are all true (I shall choose Monkey as the one not NK in both to make it easier. both are interchangable):
Day 3, Monkey checks innocent on shiki, forced to clear since otherwise
Night 3, kills you

Day 4, becomes a 1v1 of Monkey vs Luca Lylo where Luca is scum

Assuming one of the PR's are lying
Day 3, Monkey checks innocent on shiki forced to clear to avoid autoloss
Night 3, kills you

Day 4, becomes a 1v1 of Monkey vs Luca

Therefore:
If they cannot RB and kill, then they autolose
If they can RB and kill, it becomes a 1v1 in lylo

[HoldenGolden]

So Scum if you are roleblocker please ask Micc if you can kill and RB and if you cannot concede because you be dead either way

[humaneatingmonkey]

@Micc

Is Mafia Neighbor + Mafia Neighbor normal? lmao

[Datisi]

@Micc

Is Mafia Neighbor + Mafia Neighbor normal? lmao

It's Normal, but highly unlikely.

[HoldenGolden]

@Micc

Is Mafia Neighbor + Mafia Neighbor normal? lmao

Spoiler:

Honestly if that is the case I concede this game on behalf of town

[Datisi]

Monkey, you said it yourself that if bugs is scum that I'm town. What's my play here? Bus my partner from page 5? literally page 5? never agreeing to lynch either you or hiraki? and to top it all off i'm a scum neighbor with my partner. like, do you see how much you're reaching here?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I just have to say it. If you're scum, you're playing the perfect game here.

[Micc]

@Micc

Is Mafia Neighbor + Mafia Neighbor normal? lmao

Yes, that combination is allowed under Normal guidelines.

Votecount 2.03

Not Voting (7) -

Datisi, humaneatingmonkey, Madoka, GeorgeBailey, shiki, Luca Blight, HoldenGolden

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2020-04-09 22:35:00).

[shiki]

Honestly if that is the case I concede this game on behalf of town

with two investigatives, neither of which can tell the difference between a town neighbor and a mafia neighbor? yeah there's absolutely no way.

[Luca Blight]

There cannot be a neighborhood of only one alignment - there could be two scum neighbors and one town neighbor, for example, but not just two scum neighbors.

[HoldenGolden]

There cannot be a neighborhood of only one alignment - there could be two scum neighbors and one town neighbor, for example, but not just two scum neighbors.

Not unless they are pulling the famous fake chess game double mafia neighbor gambit of course. Its quite the gambit I heard. Gamebreaking though

[Luca Blight]

Although I’m contradicted by the mod, apparently. Two scum neighbors with no town neighbors certainly wouldn’t ‘feel’ normal.

[humaneatingmonkey]

There cannot be a neighborhood of only one alignment - there could be two scum neighbors and one town neighbor, for example, but not just two scum neighbors.

@Micc

Is this correct?

[Datisi]

there can be all-town neighborhoods too. and if they realize they're an all-town hood, they fuck you up if you're scum. would not recommend.

anyway for the record i DID have a breaking strategy if Monkey claimed VT but he claimed Novice PT COP so fuck me i gues skjbfkhsiflhewp