Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[HoldenGolden]

But seriously HEM, if you pinkie promise me and your scum bad things will happen m'kay? I'm talking eldritch horror eating your dick off and poofing you out of reality level of bad shit. Hell, I think you get IP banned from time itself if you do it.

So think long and hard.

[shiki]

YOU FOOL YOU CANNOT UNDO WHAT YOU THRUST UPON THIS THREAD. THERE IS NO RETURNING BACK.

daily reminder to use the big magnifying glass before posting anything that may require it's use.

[Datisi]

i'm looking over this game anyway i can and like neap/bg/neighbor/4vt v neighbor/goon looks like a beautiful and balanced setup

scum roleblockers and such are actually not that common, esp in micros

and like even without that dats/luca/madoka/george/shiki all just seem SO TOWN (ye i'm including myself)

i just

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[HoldenGolden]

I'll happily welcome death today.

My gut tells me one of the PR's are lying, but I think time will very quickly show who is who.

If it is mafia goon, then we auto win assuming George predicts correctly.

[GeorgeBailey]

If it is mafia goon, then we auto win assuming George predicts correctly.

How so?

[GeorgeBailey]

I thought i'm guaranteed NK since i'm tpr

[GeorgeBailey]

My gut tells me one of the PR's are lying, but I think time will very quickly show who is who.

although, yeah I have that feeling too.

[Datisi]

george won't be "predicting"

george will be on Madoka in like 99.9% cases unless a breaking startegy comes to light but i highly doubt it will

[HoldenGolden]

If it is mafia goon, then we auto win assuming George predicts correctly.

How so?

You can only protect 1 person correct? Therefore if they shoot the other Invest role that you didn't protect they die instead of you.

Im pretty sure we auto win there too, but I didn't work that one out yet

[HoldenGolden]

george won't be "predicting"

george will be on Madoka in like 99.9% cases unless a breaking startegy comes to light but i highly doubt it will

Then there is no auto win in that case now that I think of it if they kill monkey (assuming monkey is town)

[Datisi]

if the last scum is a multitasking roleblocker (which i highly highly doubt) then them killing monkey is still ++town because monkey is still a suspect

then we're in day 5 with dats/luca/madoka/george/shiki and assuming madoka claims roleblocked then we still probably lynch shiki -> luca because madoka/george/me are still p confirmed?

[GeorgeBailey]

why are we believing Madoka over Monkey though?

[GeorgeBailey]

why are we believing Madoka over Monkey though?

[HoldenGolden]

Hmm, that actually introduces a problem where if there is a fakeclaim among HEM/Madoka they can just claim they were roll-blocked preventing the 1v1 situations from eariler.
You still wouldn't know for sure if Madoka is town because scum!Madoka can just fake that they were

Spoiler: example

I die 5v1
NK on monkey 4v1 3 suspects (counting Madoka). If claim rb, then no one is cleared.
Lynch misses, 3v1 2 suspects.
NK 2v1 with 1 confirmed town and 2 suspects one of which is a PR claim and the other a VT claim. Check here does not matter.

So no, since you do not know if the rb is true and it can be made up

[HoldenGolden]

AKA, if no one dies tomorrow and no one is RB, town auto wins

Otherwise scum always goes to 1v1 lylo with one confirmed town assuming they don't have any other roles or powers to change that.

[Datisi]

like unless george is literally a multitasking roleblocker that killed hiraki and blocked someone else and therefore knew madoka was bullshitting because he visited two people and she claimed he visited only one so he made up the bg on luca claim purely as to call her bluff??? i don't see how he can be scum here

pedit: because if madoka is scum fakeclaiming, then the setup is:
town bg/town novice pt cop/town neighbor/4VT vs scum neighbor/scum something that knew george wasn't vanilla (nea/vanilla cop) which is a broken setup

you could argue madoka is a goon that faked being a new on george but unless george claimed like literally the thing he did we'd lynch him and madoka the next day

and also imo town bg/town novice pt cop/town neighbor/4VT vs scum neighbor/scum goon is still broken

[HoldenGolden]

Edit: if no one/George dies tomorrow. Sorry George.

[shiki]

Then there is no auto win in that case now that I think of it if they kill monkey (assuming monkey is town)

if monkey is town and killed don't we wake up with george confirmed, datisi confirmed, and me (assuming i am checked) confirmed? and then that's auto? and if madoka red checks me and i get lynched they just get lynched the next day?

multitasking roleblocker

is there a reason to suspect this?

why are we believing Madoka over Monkey though?

it makes a lot more sense i think. i really would take the vigi shots right now if i could. i worry that us assuming corner cases like multitasking roleblocker is giving the mafia a way to get out of this.

[HoldenGolden]

Well either way, I think I get lynched here regardless because having me anywhere Lylo will always give scum an out read wise.

I would like to stay around for a bit due to the pinkie promise, but do what you must when you are ready.

[Datisi]

we're suspecting that because there's a shitton of town PRs claimed

frankly if i had a 1-shot vig to make or break the game i'd shoot monkey because my first instinct is that he fakeclaimed a PR because he knew that a nea would get a guilty on him and *aslo* he's trying to open me up for lynching soooooo

[GeorgeBailey]

something that knew george wasn't vanilla (nea/vanilla cop)

She claimed neap after I claimed BG. Her being scum doesn't hinge on her knowing I wasn't Vanila.

[Datisi]

she claimed a track on you first. if you claimed VT, you would've gotten lynched, and she would too right after you. unless she was planning to rescind the gambit ANYWAY but then what was the point? idk

[shiki]

he knew that a nea would get a guilty on him

yeah he knew neap would get a guilty and that the neap would likely be protected by the bodyguard at the time he claimed.

[shiki]

we're suspecting that because there's a shitton of town PRs claimed

seems simpler to suspect that one of the town prs is lying. which, i know, you're also doing.

[GeorgeBailey]

HEM -> Madoka -> Luca - game ends. George, even though flawed, would have zero reason to unvote as scum. I also re-read Madoka's ISO. Madoka hasn't given an actual opinion on myself or HEM at this point other than saying that my attack wasn't justified and that HEM's case isn't very valid either. Don't know how I missed this the first time but if there's anyone with fake if not zero reads in this game, it's Madoka.

Might be too late of me figuring that out but hopefully everything will just work out.

Right now I’m TR’ing everyone apart from Bugs, George and Madoka.

I mean, it's not unreasonable to say that Madoka was being Scumread at the start of D2. Claiming Tracker, pushing someone, then rescinding it after it hits a PR sounds like a very plausible scum gambit that went south.