mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Comical]

Nah, Auro’s just town, actually.

Eddie is just town.

Luna? Yeah Luna town. I think Oka is probably town too.

Scum are in a bad spot if this is true, but they still can flip it.

[Comical]

It's decently possible {Nero, Alch, NSG} are exactly the scumteam and feel free to point out evidence against it. All three have individual scum equity. No one participated in a serious wagon on the other two

I was pushing for Dannflor’s lynch until NSG replaced him.

This is why NSG needed to pocket you. I even saw it happening as it happened. I pointed out your unvote of Dann after NSG came in multiple times.

NSG is scum.

[Comical]

Look at how much presence she’s had the latter half of this day phase. It’s exactly as you said it was.

You got Mandela Effected because of what happened earlier

[Comical]

TRUST ME ON NSG!!!

[Eddie Cane]

SS has fell of a cliff. There's probably exactly 1 scum in {RCE, Comical, Oka, Luna, Penguin}, depending on if SS claims vt. I don't think there can ever be two in the PR claims, seems like it'd be too weak. PP needs to full claim too. I think everyone else has claimed vt. I would like to caveat and say I think Luna's claim was very townie how she did it, and I'd lean its more likely to be a gunsmith claim over a JK (town usually has a protective).

But, knowing there's only 1 in 5 is good! The other living players are {NSG, SS, Alch, Auro, Dany}, which should have 2 scum.

[Something_Smart]

I fell off a what now?

[Something_Smart]

I never agreed to a massclaim.

[OkaPoka]

i htink everyone else has claimed now ss so you might as well

[Something_Smart]

That sounds like a bandwagon fallacy.

I prefer to think of it as I'm the only thing standing in between scum and complete setup knowledge.

[OkaPoka]

SS I trust you that what information you are sitting on matters more by hiding it

So I guess the question is does your role pm make it so this setup of 6-shot GS, even night gunsmith, slightly nerfed jailkeeper, voyeur, fv as town power roles impossible?

[Eddie Cane]

That sounds like an argument from stupidity.

[northsidegal]

But yeah, NSG is clearly scum based on the tether between her and I. If she were town’d she’d have faught back at me harder.

@Alchemist - you brought up she doesn’t have a presence as scum?

She has literally zero presence against me in Comical vs NSG

.

my not responding to you i would call a learned behavior—it seems entirely pointless. i don't expect to change your mind, and i don't really expect that having the conversation will do anything to convince others.

i asked you before why you scumread me and i don't think i got an answer. i don't expect to get a straight answer by asking you again, really. you seem quite fond of just stating that i'm "manipulating the gamestate" and other such accusations without real explanations – that seems to basically be how you push people, by flooding the thread with various accusations and direct statements of guilt. i imagine that it's quite effective, as it takes advantage of a lot of heuristics and cognitive biases that if i cared more going into i could probably write an essay about.

if you'd like to, i would actually be interested in hearing real explanations of what you believe and why you believe it—not just statements of what you think is true, but

explanations

of

why

you think it's true.

[Something_Smart]

It basically sounds like you're asking me to claim VT or not Oka, because if I'm VT of course I say no.

[Something_Smart]

Whatever. If scum have an investigative of course they use it on me tonight.

I'm VT.

[Comical]

Hey, guys.

NSG stated “i don’t expect you to change your mind”

I’m pretty sure that’s the name of my playstyle. My willingness to change my mind, and truth be told, I am heavily confident in ScumNSG. Obviously I’m not 100% sure, but she’s playing the game in a way bt o get a couple mislynches before eventually going down.

[OkaPoka]

okay so boon is just always town here because the alternative setup with boon being scum will never be strong enough for town

i guess i might jail boon then

[Luna Fox]

I've been sick, sorry.
I'll probably take the rest of this IRL day off mafia.

[Comical]

So what’s the chart?

I love the “might” Oka. (Not sarcasm, keep saying Might)

[OkaPoka]

nsg does boon being locktown make sense and what does that change for oyou

[Comical]

nsg does boon being locktown make sense and what does that change for oyou

It always made sense to her.

She chose the “whatever, you don’t have enough votes to lynch me” line and she was the epitome of “Scum who knows they’re scum read, but town can’t do anything about it”

She just underestimated me, though, which makes sense. NSG and I haven’t actually played with each other that much, but we’re obviously aware based on site not being that big, but even the games we did play together, we didn’t really interact that much. This has been the most we’ve ever interacted.

[Eddie Cane]

If Boon is mafia, mafia have to have some kind of investigative to have known RCE had a gun.

So, the proposed setup is even night gunsmith + voyeur + JK + FV

I don't play actively enough to know if that sounds balanced, but feels very light in terms of town power even if scum have no other roles. If anybody wants to argue otherwise, I would be happy to look at a similarly balanced recent setup if you could link it.

Otherwise, I am taking Boon as town, and Luna as town for how she handled Oka.

The new difference check is most likely between Oka and Nero, heavily leaning Nero. I guess they

could

both be town, but seems unlikely. Mechanically, still a bad lynch today I reckon. Better to lynch somebody that could be a partner and is independently scummy.

[northsidegal]

nsg does boon being locktown make sense and what does that change for oyou

i don't think we have full enough role information for me to say that—if, say, penguinpower is actually a loyal fruit vendor or a weak fruit vendor. granted, i consider that someone unlikely considering that i think that he townreads me and wouldn't use that sort of action on me, but still.

i guess i'll actually try to get more to what you're asking, though. if i were to take it as a given that comical were locktown, what would that make the game look like? i think that reads-wise this shifts little, as even knowing that he is town i am remiss to take that as indication that his reads are any more likely to be correct—with good reason for this game at least, as i'm certain you can agree (i bring this up because i would

not

say the same thing if i did this same thought experiment for, say, eddie cane). that leaves us with the mechanical. the immediate answer would be that it points towards RCE being scum, but i'm not sure that's actually true. assuming penguin is only a fruit vendor, gunsmith + "somewhat limited" JK + voyeur is actually a really low amount of town power. like, so low i'm not sure it's ever passed.

[Comical]

She’s looking for a definitive point to why she is scum, and that’s the epitome of scum who thinks they’re caught for the wrong reasons.

My reads on people are based on the conjunction of gamestate versus personal agenda, and I believe I’ve been very vocal and given multiple reasons why I believe NSG to be scum. It’s not as simple as just bullet pointing. I’m not there yet. She’s played a good enough game to not allow me to have definitive bullet point reasons, but it doesn’t mean there aren’t other outliers.

Mixed in with my town reads, which I have been actively pursuing strong town reads, almost more than I have been pushing NSG. I’ve also been engaging most players and any player who wants to converse with me, regardless of their viewpoints on this game currently, a la Nero.

[Comical]

We’ve fully mass claimed, NSG.

[OkaPoka]

im just not confident enough on nsg scum to lynch her

she's like number 5 on my list