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Post Post #4075 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:38 pm

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In post 4067, Auro wrote:
In post 3874, Auro wrote:I feel like I've discredited and shaded Boon a LOT this entire game but he didn't care much? Interesting.
Boon outta curiosity can you tell me why you didn't bother about all this? :P
Eh, you’ve also put me as town++, so

I also was doing the same thing as I was in Espeonage’s game, where I think you’re town when I’m talking to you strongly, then get paranoid, which happened here, and I have no interest in dealing with that further. Occam’s razor, you’re town, because you haven’t really been pushing an agenda.
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Post Post #4076 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:38 pm

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In post 4073, northsidegal wrote:
In post 4068, OkaPoka wrote:NSG why can't you play well as scum?
would you mind if i asked where you were going with this? i should also say that i don't think the answer is altogether very simple.
im just wondering what do you think is holding you back because you seem cognizant of it
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Post Post #4077 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:38 pm

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Also, if you were scum, you’d have moved your vote by now.
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Post Post #4078 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:39 pm

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if nsg flips town you are still locktown boon because roles ugh
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Post Post #4079 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:39 pm

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all this talk of "if NSG flips red then I am confirmed town" just seems fake to me.
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Post Post #4080 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:40 pm

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In post 4079, Nero Cain wrote:all this talk of "if NSG flips red then I am confirmed town" just seems fake to me.
Cool. I don’t really care if I’m confirmed town tbh.

I’ll take the NSG red flip, then you guys can lynch me after I drop a solve.
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Post Post #4081 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:40 pm

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In post 3998, northsidegal wrote:If you're still uncomfortable answering, I would say that regardless of the answer that Eddie's point still remains – whether I was gimping my scumgame (i wasn't, never in a million billion years would i have done this) or whether it was just a matter of how much I wanted to prove myself, the time for me to "break meta" would have been in team mafia, not this game.
This is problematic because you clearly opted for that strategy as a team, likely to maximize total number of wins in TM - also given that the strategy might have worked in your favor in WF if town didn't make the right play.
Why would you want to prioritize a personal goal over overall team win % chances?

How are you out of your scumrange here besides, idk, just posting and posting higher when you're being pressured?
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Post Post #4082 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:40 pm

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In post 4076, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 4073, northsidegal wrote:
In post 4068, OkaPoka wrote:NSG why can't you play well as scum?
would you mind if i asked where you were going with this? i should also say that i don't think the answer is altogether very simple.
im just wondering what do you think is holding you back because you seem cognizant of it
i would say that being cognizant of the
reasons
for one's failure and being able to counteract them are two entirely, entirely separate things, if that's where you're going. i think this fact is plainly obvious for any sort of non-mafia setting and it is only because people wish to believe it is not true that some may believe it is not true in a mafia setting.

i would also again remind you of eddie cane's point regarding team mafia.
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Post Post #4083 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:41 pm

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In post 4078, OkaPoka wrote:if nsg flips town you are still locktown boon because roles ugh
If NSG is town, I’m never getting Night killed either.

This doesn’t end until NSG dies, tbh.
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Post Post #4084 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:41 pm

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In post 4079, Nero Cain wrote:all this talk of "if NSG flips red then I am confirmed town" just seems fake to me.
It was prompted by "if NSG flips green Auro is lockscum" :P
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Post Post #4085 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:43 pm

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Nero, Alchemist, Penguin have been the biggest defenders of NSG.

No matter what, there is a scum in there.

I think it’s Penguin.

We all agree there’s likely a scum defending NSG, right? Even if NSG is town.
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Post Post #4086 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:43 pm

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In post 4081, Auro wrote:Why would you want to prioritize a personal goal over overall team win % chances?
In what way is "playing a good scumgame, one so good that NSG has never played anything like it before" a "personal goal" and not something that maximizes overall team win percentage chance?
How are you out of your scumrange here besides, idk, just posting and posting higher when you're being pressured?
i already answered this question for you – had you forgotten?
In post 2802, northsidegal wrote:
Spoiler: because auro asked
in the first place i've read almost all of the game chronologically, which i'm not sure i've ever done as scum replacing in.

the research i've done into schadd's mod meta and previous designs is something that i would never have done as scum, and if i did any setup spec at all it would be in the mafia PT and not in the main thread.

you don't know for certain that i actually did this and didn't just say i did, but i would never check eddie and FL's rate of how often they kill PRs when they're scum if i was scum.

i've taken notes when catching up this game, which i have never done as scum before. i haven't posted them for two reasons: one, because i think some people would consider it unsporting, and two, because i don't think it's necessary to do that kind of thing to get myself townread.

i wouldn't townread oka or luna if i were scum. there are plenty of instances of games i've played with oka where i've made it clear that i find him difficult to read such that there would be no reason for me to take some post entirely overlooked by the rest of the game and hold it up as proof of him being locktown. this may not be convincing, but i think it is true. luna i have enough knowledge of to know that i probably could not pocket her if i tried, and the reasoning for my townread on her does not make me look good enough to warrant it as a strategic decision.

there's probably more, but meh.
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Post Post #4087 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:43 pm

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Hell, especially if NSG is town.
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Post Post #4088 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:43 pm

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I'm having a hard time organizing my thoughts right now.
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Post Post #4089 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:43 pm

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@NSG - which of Penguin, Alchemist, Nero is scum?
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Post Post #4090 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:44 pm

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In post 4088, Luna Fox wrote:I'm having a hard time organizing my thoughts right now.
Just follow 2/4 of the town block you’re in onto NSG.
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Post Post #4091 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:44 pm

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oh my god lets just fucking lynch nero cain nobody townreads that slot
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Post Post #4092 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:44 pm

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its even worse because the reason he should be kept alive is mechanics so if oyu are scum you jsut follow that logic
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Post Post #4093 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:44 pm

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Post Post #4094 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:45 pm

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peng is town

I'm somewhat worried that NSG is scum thats getting bussed and she's really fence-sitting on the dual gunsmith thing
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Post Post #4095 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:45 pm

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In post 4089, Comical wrote:@NSG - which of Penguin, Alchemist, Nero is scum?
i don't particularly townread nero, of the three.
In post 4091, OkaPoka wrote:oh my god lets just fucking lynch nero cain nobody townreads that slot
why are you against lynching idanyboy? now that luna is here, we actually have enough votes to hammer.
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Post Post #4096 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:45 pm

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In post 4091, OkaPoka wrote:oh my god lets just fucking lynch nero cain nobody townreads that slot
I could see him being town, but I’d rather let him have a night action first.

Nero’s like the designated Day 3 lynch tbh. Luna/Nero just Target the same person.

Nero’s gonna ignore it. Get lynched because of it.
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Post Post #4097 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:46 pm

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In post 4095, northsidegal wrote:
In post 4089, Comical wrote:@NSG - which of Penguin, Alchemist, Nero is scum?
i don't particularly townread nero, of the three.
In post 4091, OkaPoka wrote:oh my god lets just fucking lynch nero cain nobody townreads that slot
why are you against lynching idanyboy? now that luna is here, we actually have enough votes to hammer.
i will lynch idanyboy
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Post Post #4098 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:46 pm

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In post 4094, Nero Cain wrote:I'm somewhat worried that NSG is scum thats getting bussed
Lulz because Comical and I are saying we're locktown if NSG flips red? :P
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Post Post #4099 (ISO) » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:47 pm

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In post 4092, OkaPoka wrote:its even worse because the reason he should be kept alive is mechanics so if oyu are scum you jsut follow that logic
I actually townread Nero on meta but ok, let's ignore that since i was wrong in the last game.
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