Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[Luca Blight]

I’m actually getting the feeling more and more that Monkey is scum, it seems to make the most sense right now.

I’ll iso and see if I can make sense of it.

[Luca Blight]

Actually now looking through his Iso I’m pretty convinced he’s scum. He was opposed to lynching Bugs the entire day, and it explains why he pushed Hiraki so hard when he was the only non-scum lynch that could happen. When Bugs’ lynch looked inevitable Monkey suddenly hammers them out of nowhere for Town credit. His claim is also by far the most sketchy.

VOTE: Monkey

[Luca Blight]

Holden is obvtowning atm, it all could be an act but I find it very hard to believe.

[Luca Blight]

It also perhaps explains why Datisi wasn’t killed - Monkey thought they were still mislynchable, but misjudged the situation.

I find it had to believe anyone else kills Hiraki there.

[Datisi]

If I see another person call for no-lynch imma start swinging

That's literally the worst thing we can do

[Luca Blight]

I’d say no-lynching and letting the Pr’s do their thing beats lynching obvtown for the sake of it.

Anyway, Monkey is scum so it’s irrelevant.

[Datisi]

Luca, I remember you saying that Monkey "towntold" after the hammer again, what was that about?

Pedit: not quite. No-lynch is like giving up a free investigation. Also possible No Result claim.

[Luca Blight]

also, you've called him null/town all game but you were willing to hammer 3 hours before deadline? if bugs is town, you're definitely scum.

Posts like this, I thought were probably beyond his scum range. But now it’s pretty clear he’s scum all things considered.

Has anyone even asked him for crumbs?

[Datisi]

I asked both him and Madoka for crumbs but got ignored.

[Luca Blight]

Monkey’s role seems like it would be very easy to crumb, and very necessary due to the nature of it.

The fact it’s ‘novice’ seems very convenient indeed.

[Luca Blight]

Another point against Monkey is that I think everyone else has agreed to betting the game on me being Town, but Monkey completely ignored the suggestion. Obviously scum are going to be less inclined to accept something that would drastically reduce their chances of winning.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Honestly I don't really want a bugs lynch and much prefer a Hiraki lynch, but if it's between me and him, I'll choose me everytime. He's obviously anti-town (not synonymous to scummy), and the only reason I want him to stay in the game is I think we can get more solid info as the game progresses. I've had history 1v1'ing VI, and they always turn out to be town.

Luca, Holden, Madoka is town because pro-town actions, town motivations, and organic behaviors.

shiki is town? she projects the same pro-town actions and town motivations, but i can't see past her case against me — wherein some were forced. her role on joining my wagon with Hiraki might also mean she's scum should Hiraki flip scum.

GeorgeBaily is town? not so much pro-town actions, but he has town motivations and organic behavior. as a third player in Hiraki's wagon, he's unlikely to be his partner.

i agree with HoldenGolden that bugspray could be town, but i don't think it's a case-shut on him being town. for players like bugspray, i'd like to see their vote pattern, or rely on a PR to check their alignment (if ever).

Shiki - first non-RVS with an 'eh' reason. good questions, but that's not what makes town. towncreds for meta effort though. i'm not sure if scum goes to the game and says "well im gonna research their meta and make fake townreads based on that, so i can be seen as town."

Datisi - his posts in the early game feels like he's trying too hard to appear like he's trying.
bugspray - said something weird, but that's not what makes scum.
Question to both Datisi and bugspray: Why is Luca Blight town?

Luca Blight - withholding my read.

Holden - not answering's Madoka's questions properly, but could just be tired.
Question: You really think Datisi was pocketing you?

Madoka - Good questions, but that's not what makes town.
Hiraki - i'm getting some scum-cornered vibes.

George Bailey - pops in and out, had the opportunity to hunt a bit, diasppointed that he didn't. not getting a lot of "excited to know more about the town" vibes from him.

How many scum do you think we have in this setup? Is there a possibility of third-party factions?

I wanted to keep bugs so I can investigate him in the night and i've been hinting on it. i also wanted to know if there are other factions that has access to a private thread.

[Datisi]

Luca, I agree with you that Monkey makes the most sense as scum right now. I truly do.

But this Day started with George making the most sense, then Madoka making the most sense. Do you see why I worry?

If we lynch Holden today, and both investigatives check shiki, we are guaranteeing there will be a conftown in lylo if it comes down to it.

Do i think Holden is scum? No. No i don't. But we're throwing out an optimal strategy because in this moment we are so sure on who the last scum is.

George keeps protecting Madoka until the rest of the game. Madoka and Monkey both check shiki. Monkey gets lynched tomorrow no matter what. Boom we have an additional clear for lylo if Monkey is actually Town.

Do i personally think it will come to that? No. I really don't. I genuinely think lynching Monkey here ends the game. But I'm like, genuinely pondering if it's right being so sure in my read to ignore the "best path".

[humaneatingmonkey]

for players like bugspray, i'd like to see their vote pattern, or rely on a PR to check their alignment (if ever).

[Datisi]

Uhh, Monkey, you can't investigate till Night 2. Was it really worth that much keeping bugs around so you could have a result on the on Day *three*?

[humaneatingmonkey]

that's what i thought

[humaneatingmonkey]

you guys can lynch me today.

[Datisi]

Actually you know what that makes even more sense for scum!you. Scum knew bugs was a neighbor with me. And that bugs would've been able to explain the red check as a hood rather than a scum PT. That's smart.

[humaneatingmonkey]

im either scum or pt cop. choose.

[Luca Blight]

Did you ever crumb your actual role?

[humaneatingmonkey]

just that i can investigate

[Luca Blight]

Uhh, Monkey, you can't investigate till Night 2. Was it really worth that much keeping bugs around so you could have a result on the on Day *three*?

It makes absolutely zero sense from a town perspective.

[Datisi]

Well shit son that's what I'm trying to figure out.

My issue is if you're novice PT cop then who knows what the last scum is. And i don't like uncertainty ugh

[humaneatingmonkey]

Uhh, Monkey, you can't investigate till Night 2. Was it really worth that much keeping bugs around so you could have a result on the on Day *three*?

It makes absolutely zero sense from a town perspective.

dont forget that i really didn't think bugs was scum. i thought it was likely that they were VI being set-up as D1 ML. i wanted to lynch Hiraki first.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i thought it was better to lynch people i think to be scum, and investigate people that you're can't really be sure of.