On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Disaster Artists]

Hi Titus

Imperium
Disaster Artists
The hydra with Farkran idr the name

Off the top of my head

PEdit: Oh and I like Black Hole's recent posting too so I guess them?

~Spiffy

33 pages in and I just realized that Despair Night and Disaster Artists are two different entity

Good morning everyone

~Spiffy

Does this mean you were also townreading despair night? Otherwise I find this 'progression' really confusing

-JC

[Disaster Artists]

33 pages in and I just realized that Despair Night and Disaster Artists are two different entity

Good morning everyone

~Spiffy

Kind of hard differentiating who’s who when you already have the names of your team mates, is it not?

Totally I mean both sets of heads are in the scum PT so it got a little jumbled in my head

~Spiffy

That is assuming this post was a joke. If not then I'm even more confused

[Disaster Artists]

Also, wrt people pushing us: I don't think anyone is pushing us? I think people have different opinions about Hectic's PR which to me is pretty lazy, since Hectic can post text in the images and it's pretty much the same as posting normally, so trying to sort our slot only if the PR is real or not is boring. And it's weird that people assume "it's real" or "it's fake" based on nothing; I don't have a PR, you could ask me if you really wanted to know, you know!

I actually think pink ball is scummier than hectic :3

That being said when would I ever day 1 you even if you were scum?

-JC

[Disaster Artists]

I think I'm going to pretend the shop/events aspect of this game doesn't exist because otherwise I will get overwhelmed

In other news I have two secret scum reads so I feel productive, bye for now

~Spiffeh

the fun of hiding these has passed long ago since I'm so slow to roll - what were they???

Imperium and Equitable Androids

Feel better about Equitable Androids after Titus' posting

Imperium... remains to be seen

You feel better about titus after she makes a deliberate point to pocket you? :3

-JC

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I got asked to

stop being a lazy butt

analyze the Blake x Yang slot more.

And

Farkran

has a tone and playstyle that reminds me A LOT of my newb-mafia games. Like, nearly same person vibes off the bat.

So, I want them to spew. We can townspew together or they scumspew and I townspew them into oblivion.

I have no solid play experience with either player above.

Yes, my partner tends to look face value scummy in games that he's town.

Yang: Why are you posting all of this and contributing to the problem you're describing?

And Hectic, I don't see why you can't elaborate on the egospray progression.

-Prism

I'm doing the opposite of contributing to the problem.

By displaying my loss at following the thread, I'm figuring out who is willing to sort with a slot, work with a slot, or exclusively look for reasons to suspect a slot. I'm also seeing how the most active players perceive the game so I can give context to their thought process, and assess them with more confidence.

-yang

hi im willing to sort w/ u

605 doesn't feel scummy. I think it's pretty decent and has good footholds on players unless I'm missing something.

630 is a continuation of reads building imo which is good I think. Farkran is pretty hard to read alignment wise.

I am caught up.

Imperium is town. I'm familiar enough with Tammy to believe that her posting is more likely to come from town than scum.
Spiffybringer is town. Spiffeh's approach to the game doesn't look scum motivated.
Latias and Latios is town. I strongly suspect that I'd be catching on to them by now if they were scum with how much they're posting and how relevant a lot of it is.
Disaster Artists is likely town. I'm not necessarily locktowning them at this point like I feel I should be if they are town, but I don't believe that indicates scum either.
Unapologetically Foxy is likely town through my personality read on Xofelf, but I notably have only seen her play once in recent memory that I am aware of.
The Searchers is likely town. This is a gutread from SirCakez' posting.
Cappy is likely town. I don't get the impression that the hydra would be playing the way they are if they rolled scum this game.

NL, Smol Might, Flavortown, Egospray, Feminist Blocc, Equitable Androids, and Black Hole Defection are slots I'm not expressly townreading or scumreading.

Despair Night is a slight scumread.
Mikoto and Kuroko are a moderate to strong scumread.

VOTE: Mikoto and Kuroko

-Blake

Gonna need you to clarify why you scumread our slot.

I will probably go into why I scumread Mikoto and Kuroko later today. It mostly depends on whether my motivation for mafia maintains itself throughout the day.

I will note that I am untested with Farkran's scumgame and I have an inconsistent record at reading Bitmap, but I still believe that from what I know of how they play, both their approaches look more likely to come from a scum PM than a town PM.

-Blake

If you're using my activity as AI, it's a bad idea. But I don't blame you for using that as a surface level read.

Interesting.

I don't remember Farkran ever shading slots like he is here before.

-Blake

I have. :3

Going to talk to Farkran but I see Blake X Yang as probably leaning town. However, I'm letting Farkran be the solvey head cause he's better at that than me. I'm the obv-town head.

-Mikoto

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Blake, I understand why you'd scum read me this game in terms of an activity standpoint but I'm actually having a hard time latching on to this game properly and I'm trying to get in the groove while willing to spend a good chunk of what time I have today committed to this game.

-Mikoto

[Blake X Yang]

pedit @blake: different meta from blake or alyssa have no inference on your read accuracy around me, unless you are saying that ankamius is a good reader and blake isn't, which would be nonsensical. You may change personality and modus operandi by switching accounts, you do not change your accuracy rating.

What was the point of writing this?

-Blake

[Disaster Artists]

VOTE: mikoto

[The Searchers]

I can't respond to 653's criticisms of us since they're targeted at Ircher but I alerted him about in the hydra pt.

Mikoto and Kuroko are a moderate to strong scumread.

I'm interested in hearing more about this given my decently strong TR on the slot.

tammy didn't like sircakez and I see why
who the f asks their hydra partner permission to move a vote on page 4???

I do
Because I'm RESPECTFUL unlike some of you!

I felt Latias/Latios had the worst ISO at the time but nothing I could explicitly call scummy.

What does this even mean...

I'm glad the Spiffybringer wagon is rolling. I find it hard to believe that the best push town!Spiff comes up with here is Smol Might, basically a troll slot.
I feel better about Imperium w/Nacho's posting spree over the last few pages.
Blake x Yang remains town. 810 is really weird though?? Like I feel that IC thing was clearly a joke.
I could PL Smol Might for their spam but I don't really see scum intent there? Ircher doesn't like them though so I could see us ending up voting there I suppose. I'm cautious because SB is really pushing there w/o strong reasoning.
Lastly, even if Hectic's PR is fake it's still NAI...

[The Searchers]

players being more aggressive than normal tends to point to town no?

[Latias and Latios]

Goooooooood morning MS!

I've caught up, liking Black Hole/Blake x Yang/Imperium for town

Xof slot is pretty underwhelming for me but I can't lynch xof D1

VOTE: egospray

Haven't really discussed any of this with GE so I'll try to get around to that soon

-Latias

[The Searchers]

oh yeah I could do egospray too

-SC (everything on this page is)

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

pedit @blake: different meta from blake or alyssa have no inference on your read accuracy around me, unless you are saying that ankamius is a good reader and blake isn't, which would be nonsensical. You may change personality and modus operandi by switching accounts, you do not change your accuracy rating.

What was the point of writing this?

-Blake

Trying to evaluate your confidence in your read of us

-Farkran

[Disaster Artists]

Chemist have you always not lynched slots due to personality? How many games do you have with xof?

-JC

[Latias and Latios]

Chemist have you always not lynched slots due to personality? How many games do you have with xof?

-JC

Occasionally? If the slot gets scummier I'm not sure if I'll stick to that but /shrug

I've played with xof a lot in survivor, moreso than in mafia

-Latias

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@searchers, your recent reads have changed significantly from your colored and nice readlist, can you update it?

-Farkran

[Latias and Latios]

@searchers, your recent reads have changed significantly from your colored and nice readlist, can you update it?

-Farkran

something something hydra dissonance

-Latias

[The Searchers]

It's because I have some differences from Ircher's reads. That list was just his and all of our recent posts were me. I haven't talked to him in a bit, I think he is pretty far behind.

SC

[The Searchers]

yeah we have some dissonance but we agree on most reads.

[Equitable Androids]

I'll catch up later. Got an emergency work thing. Sorry SC. I should be free by noon (within about 3 hours 15 minutes.) I probably could be available right at the event but performing is questionable.

~Titus

[Unapologetically Foxy]

I appreciate that chemist.

Also I kinda try not to have too much hydra dissonance and with my other head a fair bit behind and not too many chances to really dive in on things with him, I'm trying not to post too much that hasn't been discussed. So, sorry on that!

~xoffy

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

@SC Can you still talk to me about your individual spiffy read?

I mean he called pops the greatest evil of this world or something, but i didn't see them ACTUALLY voting or pushing the slot in any way, so... i don't see a particular reason for scumreading spiffy there, so, what else am i missing? Do you think smol is town enough to not have anyone scumreading him? Just trying to understand your trajectory to spiffy

-Farkran

[Equitable Androids]

Kinda suspicious of Despair Nights. The random questions irk me.

~Titus

[Equitable Androids]

Bitmap, as well, feels very similar to how he did in Titus vs Alisae. I mistakenly attributed it to him being a mason in that game, but there is no stick excuse here.

Who were you in T v A?

~Titus

[The Searchers]

439 not really AI from Imperium
SC

I concur with this.

439 not really AI from Imperium

If this is Ircher, I'm raising a big huge eyebrow in your direction.

Nah it was SirCakez, but he's kinda right in away. Actually, my gut reaction is to say that the post is more likely to come from scum since it takes the AtE angle and is also confusing in that it uses many words but doesn't say anything. That being said, I acknowledge that I tend to over-scumread that stuff so it balances out to NAI.

I'd believe that Tammy and Hectic aren't scum together lol

-JC

Thank you for knowing it was me!

439 not really AI from Imperium

If this is Ircher, I'm raising a big huge eyebrow in your direction.

The reason why I mentioned Ircher there is because of his reaction to my opening post. I don't think I've played with Ircher? Or not enough to recognize the name I don't think. Anyway if this is Ircher, he's trying to claim some kind of understanding about how I play, which would mean that there's no way he doesn't like my opening posts. People who don't know me usually hate my opening posts whereas people who do know me, probably still hate my opening posts, but know that's just me and ignore it. So if it's ircher then the two reactions make no sense and that's a problem.

You're reading into it too much. That's not what I am doing at all. And you are right, I do not have any experience with you and do not know how you play.

Tammy is the only older player that I’m like “Damn, that Tam gonna catch me like Wham!!”

~Ferrari

why does this read like it was meant for scum pt lol?

-JC

I thought the same, but if Ferrari is Flavor Leaf, it seems like something he'd do as either alignment.

Okay, so I haven't read anything yet. What's there to know?

-Tree

Hectic can only post images Day 1. Despair Night is scum.

I like the tree. They’re my first town read.

~FordVsFierri

This is a joke, right?

VOTE: flavor leaf

New best day 1 lynch lol

-JC

Bad vote. Next.

Russian Roulette comes to its conclusion!
The winners are
1st: Popsofctown who recieves

100$

!
2nd: Prism who recieves

75$

!
3rd: no one because 4 people died at once.

Also Tammy will recieve a penalty!

Aren't they in the same hydra. That sounds a bit rigged.

Russian Roulette comes to its conclusion!
The winners are
1st: Popsofctown who recieves

100$

!
2nd: Prism who recieves

75$

!
3rd: no one because 4 people died at once.

Also Tammy will recieve a penalty!

I mean doing nothing but sniping event spaces is like hyperscummy LOL

-JC

Do you want me to post what I have written so far? That's messier. I've done nothing but read this game and snipe the event the event since getting off work today. I was asleep when the game started.

I honestly agree with Disaster Artists here. But sure, go ahead and give us your messy reads.

anyone who unironically thinks winning an event is scum indicative or lynching someone for winning an event is +ev is either being bad or scum

change my mind

-Latias

Sure if it's only a single head, but it becomes much more suspicious when both heads win. No one even got 3rd place. It's especially suspicious when one of the winners hadn't posted beforehand except to snipe events. (I will note Prism has had some good posts that balance out pops's bad posts.)

Yang: Why are you posting all of this and contributing to the problem you're describing?

And Hectic, I don't see why you can't elaborate on the egospray progression.

-Prism

I'm doing the opposite of contributing to the problem.

By displaying my loss at following the thread, I'm figuring out who is willing to sort with a slot, work with a slot, or exclusively look for reasons to suspect a slot. I'm also seeing how the most active players perceive the game so I can give context to their thought process, and assess them with more confidence.

-yang

Nope you're just contributing to the noise.

Eh you could say all the picks were "good" characters but aside from that, it's what SirCakez and I agreed to it. We weren't particularly focused on nabbing a town role. (In all likelihood, alignments were randed before picks.)

My theory on Ircher is partially he's putting out words that say nothing.

~Titus

I have no idea what Ircher thinks about this slot but they are scum. I've had this secret SR for a bit and Spiff's reaction to the event just confirms it for me.

I'm just gonna point out I don't have any (memorable) experience with Spiffeh, so I'm mainly gonna be reading the slot based on Firebringer's posts.

Yo, 34% is a big number. You don't have to be a genius like me to realize that's not "usual". Responding to a request for your blueprints by saying you didn't build it anyway is what my Black Hole lieutenants did when they were missing deadlines, because they don't know how to build anyway.
Vote: Searcher

Did you read the spoiler that accompanied the readslist? It really isn't that high. Maybe it's a bit high comparatively, but that was only for the first 200 posts of the game.

Honestly I think the Black Hole slot is net town, but popsofctown has some misguided reads.

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Tammy and I are Plusle and Minun. We have multiple abilities, but only one that really matters.

FOLLOW ME.

Every one in the game will be forced to target us tonight. As a result, there's an incredibly large chance that we die. If we do not, then we have yet another use of FOLLOW ME tomorrow night. If scum do not have a way to counterbalance us (and thus this ends in No Kills 2 nights in a row), then lolbalance, but from this moment on, I'm operating as if I'm knocking on death's door. If you want to make a connection with me or if you care about my opinion at all, don't wait - I will not be long for this world.

This role is exciting to me because this is very likely my last game for a long while and my personal feeling is that my town game is strongest when death is assured for some absurd reason. The characters are extremely important to me personally; Plusle and Minun were some of the first pokemon Tammy and I caught when playing Pokémon Go together, and we still stick that pair in gyms whenever we take them over, and the Plusle and Minun Christmas ornaments we have are my favorite.

My request of everyone listening is to lend us their voices and their votes; pay attention to me and hold me close because I will not be available to us for long.

(also please excuse my strange mood, I had a shit day of work and probably drank too much too quickly)

Okay Imperium is town. There's no way this is faked. Even if it is, it won't take too long to figure out.

I looked into the 3 vote wagons but I prefer voting outside right now. For all that insomnia has hyped up this being Junko's show, I was interested in the fact that this has been entirely his posting so far. It's been <24 hours though.

What was your account in Undertale-S?

Replica.

-Prism

Fwiw, Junko is known to be more of a scum poster if she does post a lot, the fact that we randed town here would probably make her post less.

Your move, wolves!

*although it's probably just irl stuff and she'll join me at some point*

Also if Hectic doesn't have a post restriction that slot is town.

~som

Everything about this post seems wrong.

So this is my first non-IC newbie game. Welcome everyone, and JC especially from our history. I had a custom of posing some introductory questions to get the game started:

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

~som

Yeah I'm moving our vote back to this slot in our next post. Just not this post so it doesn't get lost in the quote wall.

Ank are you gonna figure out the game like Fusion Mafia?

-gb

I feel like egospray is trying to slide by on nothing for the day without anyone noticing (i.e.: active lurking).

On to stronger reads:

707+781 from despair were good. I think very few slots have actually realized that my initial read on egospray and the question to despair was aimed to get out from RVS rather than pushing something consistent. We were, like, page 6 when that happened? I prodded two slots to deliver content, and gave everyone else something to analyze.

A lot of people focused on that exchange as if it was a push that scum would make - which only makes sense from slots who want to join the 1v1 to sort me and also giving more content for other people to analyze. I liked those, and i also liked the slots who picked the RT up and tried to analyze it from a distance. Imperium's 705+711+777 is nitpicking on details but i can see them trying to identify how town!Farkran works as opposed to undertalescum!Fark. I feel like they are pausing to assess if i am actually trying to bullshit push my way or not in this game, and that's a proper approach to my introductory posts.

I disliked slots who are ignoring the current gamestate and are not proactively trying to improve it. I feel like scum would find lurking an efficient strategy in this game, and that's why i am not fond of NL and egospray himself yet.

Other slots, such as blake/yang, have used that exchange to make a push on me way later into the game, without pausing to analyze my intent when i posted that. Another element that points at blake/yang being scum is the dissonance in yang's readlists vs their analysis on my slot. They have a dislike of egospray (which i am voting), yet they never proactively examined the slot and went with voting me instead. This might be NAI for egospray but it's definitely AI for blake/yang. Post 670 was terrible in this context, basically entirely made of consensus townreads, nullreads on plausible scum and scumreads on town. 775 and 780 are simply shooting the shit because that's nowhere near a solid hold to make a push on my slot so far. I think they would have reason to remove me if they are scum, definitely not if they are town.

VOTE: Blake and Yang i feel like i have identified a scum motivated push.

Willing to listen more about egospray, i don't see these two slots as disaligned.

-Farkran

I don't think this is a good vote....

@searchers, your recent reads have changed significantly from your colored and nice readlist, can you update it?

-Farkran

It will take too long. Maybe on the weekend. I already spent 2-3 hours catching up 15 pages.

yeah we have some dissonance but we agree on most reads.

Gonna point out that our reads on the Spiffy slot are pretty much opposite. At a glance, Spiffy's posts look decent to me, but SirCakez has meta experience and that might make the difference. Aside from that, I think we (SirCakez and I) have similar reads.
~Ircher