Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[HoldenGolden]

Yes, we keep debating the same plan but in slightly more elaborate "phases" to avoid copyright infringement

Honestly this gif sums up the day for me as I keep talking so I dont die before everyone knows the plan

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Pedit:
In that case, monkey cannot claim no result as Madoka can only die if george is rbed

[HoldenGolden]

Bg protection is only bypass if the rb is used against them. So monkey claiming no result in the case Madoka dies is a scum claim if I understand it right.

Though they can kill Monkey and Madoka can claim no result I guess

[Datisi]

if Monkey was a scum RB then setup would be Neap/BG/Neighbor/4vt vs. Neighbor/Roleblocker. which would never pass review.

[shiki]

is there a thread like this: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29549

but for micros?

[HoldenGolden]

Worse case situation: Monkey is cop and is killed. Madoka reports no check.

Suspect pool: Luca/Shiki/Madoka as I still think Georges play is enough to consider his claim real and plus BG makes more sense then having two invest roles.

That is still a 1v1 battle come lylo. The one difference is that Madoka will not/can not have a check come lylo to rely on.

[Datisi]

No, because 9p games also count as Mini Normals, and Micro Normals are played in both Micro and Normal queue so good luck finding them

also i'll draft a Mech Post that will be valid if i eat the NK

gimme a bit

pedit: Madoka is confirmed setup-wise because otherwise town is too weak

[Datisi]

actually i won't right now because i'm starting to get a headache from the setup talk and am once again considering to yolo swag go for the perfect win

someone talk me out of it

[HoldenGolden]

No, because 9p games also count as Mini Normals, and Micro Normals are played in both Micro and Normal queue so good luck finding them

also i'll draft a Mech Post that will be valid if i eat the NK

gimme a bit

pedit: Madoka is confirmed setup-wise because otherwise town is too weak

Eh I think your over valuing the rb in this set up. Rb is much weaker if there is indeed two invest roles.

Additionally,

we have no way to know that Madoka isnt scum who faked claim and then faked about being rb and is actually like a goon

.

So no, Madoka cannot be assume to be neap if rb unless Monkey is alive. Even then, it's not a choice for scum as one invest pair will go off as they kill George or you.

[HoldenGolden]

NO

[HoldenGolden]

WE ARE NOT DOING THE FUCKING YOLO LYNCH

If you want to lynch, lynch me.

We are entitled to do the plan we spent 20 pages fucking discussing

[Datisi]

Additionally,

we have no way to know that Madoka isnt scum who faked claim and then faked about being rb and is actually like a goon

. So no, Madoka cannot be assume to be neap if rb unless Monkey is alive. Even then, it's not a choice for scum as one invest pair will go off as they kill George or you.

we do

novicePTcop/bg/neigh/4vt vs neigh/goon is still broken

[HoldenGolden]

THERE IS NO REASON TO THROW AWAY A SITUATION WE WHERE AUTO WIN 90% OF THE TIME AND HAVE A 50/50,% CHANCE PURE RANDOM CHOICE IN LYLO IF WE DONT AUTO WIN

[HoldenGolden]

Additionally,

we have no way to know that Madoka isnt scum who faked claim and then faked about being rb and is actually like a goon

. So no, Madoka cannot be assume to be neap if rb unless Monkey is alive. Even then, it's not a choice for scum as one invest pair will go off as they kill George or you.

we do

novicePTcop/bg/neigh/4vt vs neigh/goon is still broken

And it will always seem broken until we advance the game to day 3 and learn wtf is going on with the set up

[Datisi]

as a baby player, i never understood people saying "i like day 1 best" because lol why? it's more fun on later days! there's flips! there's info! we don't know anything on day 1! how can you like it best??

now i understand

after a year on here i finally unsderstand

it's because the whole game descends into degeneracy as soon as day 2 starts

[HoldenGolden]

The only way we lose is if Madoka is scum and kills monkey unless I have missed something

Pedit

No, this is what happens when everyone mass claims

[HoldenGolden]

Day 2 would of been fun if it wasnt for 3 PR claims

[Datisi]

you mean 4

[HoldenGolden]

3,

I'm not counting yours as you are flip confirmed pretty much after day 1

Honestly monkeys idea that you can be scum and town has then two useless invest roles and a bg would be the most funny set up I've seen

[HoldenGolden]

You better buckle in btw. You have a good chance of going to lylo if scum kills George and then the other/one of the invest roles which is the correct play for them barring rbs and shit

[Datisi]

wait i'm circling back to the previous idea. we've all agreed on Luca town? is there a point in having monkey check him as opposed to doubling up on shiki?

[shiki]

wait i'm circling back to the previous idea. we've all agreed on Luca town? is there a point in having monkey check him as opposed to doubling up on shiki?

i am more sure of me being town than i am of luca, but yes, i still agree luca is town and am still willing to bet the game on this. the point would be to make luca a guarantee instead of a bet. but, it's not necessary to me.

[HoldenGolden]

wait i'm circling back to the previous idea. we've all agreed on Luca town? is there a point in having monkey check him as opposed to doubling up on shiki?

Yes, it 100% clears either madoka and monkey beyond set up spec.

[Madoka | Shiki]
[Monkey | Luca]

If both live, then game is won.
If one dies:
Successful check (auto win): one of Luca/shiki and one of monkey/Madoka are the only suspects as luca/shiki is either clear or red check.
No check: all three are suspects. 50/50 chance of winning by just random lynching in lylo. Technically scum needs to pass both a 33% and 50% chance of getting lynched because of day 3 lynch. However, one of george/datisi will be alive with one of the PR invest claims and a no claim.

If you say Luca is auto town then there is no chance for scum to win if he is indeed town. Yet, I'm not as sure given his repeated questioning of if to yolo/no lynch.

[HoldenGolden]

If luca is scum, he will have no chance tomorrow. So I think the call should be delay till the actions of tomorrow comes around.

[HoldenGolden]

I'm assuming that all four of them has a chance to be scum since I cannot figure out what the fuck balances this set up and stop caring as everything that I know of outside of a multitask RB cannot stop this plan.

[Datisi]

ehhh, i think your math is off? how is the game won anyway if both invests survive?

also you know what is a nice balanced setup?

nea/bg/neigh/4vt vs neigh/goon

that's a might good and balanced setup

but OpTiMaL StRaTegY and gAmE ThEoRy

fml