Micro 932: A Normal Blitz - Game Over

[HoldenGolden]

ehhh, i think your math is off? how is the game won anyway if both invests survive?

also you know what is a nice balanced setup?

nea/bg/neigh/4vt vs neigh/goon

that's a might good and balanced setup

but OpTiMaL StRaTegY and gAmE ThEoRy

fml

If both survive one has a check no matter what. That clears a person. Assuming the other is not rb, then whoever is scum will be rveeled and forced into a 1v1 situation where town has two lynches.

If one claims rb, then only Monkey can claim rb. In order to kill Madokatown! Here scum has to bypass George with the rb. We enter 1v1 land.

If one claims rb and the other invest is still alive, I guess you are still in the same situation as if one dies with a no check. Leads to a 1v1 either between the two invest roles or one invest and a VT claim.

If that is the game's set up Datisi then we win automatically day 3 assuming goon didnt fake claim, hence why I'm saying advance the game to day 3 lol.

[HoldenGolden]

Your the one who introduced the idea of mechiacally solving the game, I'm simply the one that jump on board of the idea.

The fun thing is, whenever you/someone is tired of hearing me talk you can lynch me!

[Luca Blight]

At this point I’m just gonna go along with whatever Datisi decides.

[Luca Blight]

I agree that checking me is probably wise as I can feel the paranoia in the room growing.

[Madoka]

We're not checking Luca.

VOTE: Hem

letsa do eet

[HoldenGolden]

At this point I’m just gonna go along with whatever Datisi decides.

Me and him are basically saying the same thing besides semantics of rather we think the game is balanced in X set up.

Vote for me Luca. Do not do what Madoka is doing. We play this slow and restrict scum's plays drastically, not providing them outs.

[Madoka]

Enough, Holden.

Luca, let's do it.

[HoldenGolden]

If you are town, scum!Monkey has no way of winning this game come day 3 even if he is RB.

Meanwhile if you are wrong and Monkey is town, we have 3 VT (me/shiki/Luca) and you with only one way to clear. If mafia has any ways through protection or can RB, we walk into day 3 with four question marks as oppose to 3 at most. Now if everyone believes your claim, fine, then we should have an autowin. But the other method gets us more info without having to chalk up anybody as confirmed town besides George and Datisi. Objectively, that is the best play.

[HoldenGolden]

Aka, everybody is betting on Monkey flipping scum when there is no need to bet at all as we will know come day 3. So simple, dont bet

[HoldenGolden]

Wait no I miscounted, it still will be a 1v1 if scum!monkey can rb.

But still the point stands that lynching him now is more risky then seeing the results of day 3 and benefits scum if we are wrong

[Madoka]

I've made the mistake of letting scum live before, I'm not doing it again.

[HoldenGolden]

I've made the mistake of letting scum live before, I'm not doing it again.

But your not letting him off the hook! You are stalling for potentially game ending information!

Tell me why it is better to increase the suspect pool from 3 to 4 and to throw away a chance at an auto win? Because you think he is certainly scum 100%?

Guess what, I thought bugs was town and I lost that bet. Boom, flipped scum. And I had to sallow that pride and move on. Here is the same thing. HEM is most likely the last scum, but he can only win if he is through a very specific set up. So sallow the pride of not potentially ending the game day 2 instead of swallowing the pride of losing the game if we are all wrong.

[Madoka]

If you have (unconfirmed) scum, you lynch them. That's the rule I'm playing by from now on. We can end this here, there's no need to play it safe and unnecessarily extend the game. Let's blitz this blitz game.

[HoldenGolden]

Philosophy says we most of us are unconfirmed scum.

But I am can't argue and write a study guide so Luca/Shiki/HEM/Datisi halp

[Datisi]

you know what legitimately annoys me?

when this game was on page 7-8 i made a note saying "bugs/monkey could be s/s". but i didn't write down why. i guess i thought that i would remember? but i legit don't remember what i had for lunch yesterday let alone why did i have that specific passing thought 5 days ago. and i kinda wanna be right on that lol

[Luca Blight]

I’m just gonna do what I feel is right. If Datisi wants to overrule me and play the long game then that’s fine as well.

VOTE: Monkey

For me it’s not just about winning, but also about how you win that matters. I agree with ‘optimizing’ in very uncertain situation where you’re feeling clueless, but I’m not feeling that here. If we drag the game out, lynching obvtown in the process before finally lynching Scum!Monkey, it would take the gloss off the win and the joy out of it, for me anyway.

[Datisi]

stop giving me responsibility damn you

[Luca Blight]

If we lynch Monkey and end up losing the game you can hold me personally responsible.

[HoldenGolden]

Datisi, how do you feel about HEM lynch?

[Datisi]

i want it real bad my dude

[HoldenGolden]

Honestly I can see scum in madoka/HEM/luca. Shiki actions today feels the most of what I expect town to do.

[Datisi]

no/yes/no

[Luca Blight]

The more Holden asks to be lynched the more I don’t want to lynch him, and the more I don’t want to lynch him the more he scumreads me lol

[Luca Blight]

The way Holden has reacted to all of this, i’d say there is no chance he’s flipping scum. It’s gone beyond wifom, and I can’t stomach lynching someone I know will flip Town, even if we’ll end up winning anyway.

[shiki]

The more Holden asks to be lynched the more I don’t want to lynch him

this is literally scum!holden's win condition...

but i have a gif prepared for hammering humaneatingmonkey if one more of you places a vote, so...