Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[Blake Belladonna]

I apologize, I have been burning out on mafia lately. This is the cause of my relatively scarce posting throughout the past week or so.

[Churros]

I treat a slip like any other scummy behavior-- if someone does it, it makes them more likely scum. Regardless of what they were at beforehand. I could be townreading someone and recognize that something they said could have been a slip.

you can't think it's a slip if you don't already know the number of scum in the game or have a previous scum read already

For anyone it could as easily be NDmath assuming he wrong amount of scum. Thinking it must be a slip

needs

to have an auxiliary reason.

No matter whatever you say with those fancy words which I don't feel like bothering to engage, it doesn't make sense otherwise.

There's a lot to say about NDmath but you cherrypick him saying "both scum" when he said he was willing to work with the assumption of 2 scum before, and instantly think it's a slip even though it might be 3 scum and he might be wrong.

Before going for him you quote Blake 3 times out of I don't know, 30 or so posts of your ISO, and say you wanted to sheep her/BoP her. Only to now imply it was an entirely original read for reasoning that doesn't feel natural.

It makes exactly 0 sense.

Besides, you should probably save your efforts, because I'm not going to be lynched today.

I wish I could post something similar that a scum said to me only to end up lynched.

I don't see your lynch on a matter of if it's possible or not SS. I see your lynch in a basis of balancing

1) How much of an ass I'm ok being in this day phase to get what I want.
2) How much effort I want to put into a roughly meaningless game in an alt which entire purpose is to play more casually/freely.
3) The odds of a universe where NDmath is scum but you're town. It wouldn't look pretty for me later and I don't think I'm interested in defending myself in that universe. I might insta rage quit in a childish manner which I want to refrain from.

[Churros]

In fact I might not want the vigilante to shoot you anymore. I want to have the pleasure of lynching you.

[Something_Smart]

For anyone it could as easily be NDmath assuming he wrong amount of scum. Thinking it must be a slip needs to have an auxiliary reason.

You are not drawing a distinction between thinking something is possible and thinking something is likely.

Of course it's possible that NDMath assumed the wrong amount of scum. (Or that he spuriously assumed the correct amount of scum.)

What I'm focusing on is the likelihood of this versus the likelihood of him being scum and thinking that it was obvious that there were two scum. I don't understand why he would assume there is two scum, and he hasn't made any effort to make it clear, whereas I can see a newish player like him thinking two scum in a 12p is standard if he happens to be on a two-player scumteam.

[Something_Smart]

It makes exactly 0 sense.

Right.

So why would I do it as scum?

[Something_Smart]

Unless you think I like people being on my case for doing weird shit?

[NDMath]

I'm thinking S_S might have to be town here. I can't think of a reason for him to unvote me as scum, when it's quite simple for scum!him to let me die, and I see no way it would really come back to bite him.

There are plenty of reasons that scum!him could unvote you.
1) He's scum with Blake Belladonna bits wants to appear as if he's reconsidering/unsure. He intends to renovate you eventually.
2) You and Blake Belladonna are both town and there is no risk involved in unvoting.
Why do you not see either of these possibilities?

Also, what do you mean by the last line? Did you mean there is a way it can come back to bite him?

1) I don't see the point of that?
2) I suppose that's possible.
I mean I don't see what goes bad for scum!him by letting the hammer happen. No one's gonna call out him specifically for it.

The Churros/S_S interaction looks T/T to me.
Churros both has solid reasoning and is confident enough that it is unlikely from scum.
S_S reaction seems natural.

[NDMath]

What is he setting you up for, Alotatom? He expressed a strong townread on you there!

I am also wondering this.

[Paragon]

Churros, how much scummier do you find Something_Smart over NDMath? If you believe you'd ragequit if NDMath was scum, and Something_Smart town, then how would you refrain from doing so by pursuing a Something_Smart lynch and taking that gamble?

[Aloratom]

What is he setting you up for, Alotatom? He expressed a strong townread on you there!

What is he setting you up for, Alotatom? He expressed a strong townread on you there!

I am also wondering this.

As eyestott is getting critiqued more carefully, he may be buddying me in an effort, if he is scum, to rub partner equity onto me, setting me up for a mislynch instead of a scum lynch on him. "Hey, I think eyestott's scummy, and he's Town reading Aloratom hard. I bet that means Aloratom's his partner. We better flip Aloratom before we flip eyestott."

That's paranoid me looking at this.

[Aloratom]

From the past few hours, I’m leaning towards scum moresp for Paragon, pops, and Fuzzy




What’s that? They’re the three people with votes on them?
Well, one of them is probably correct, eh?
I have Aspergers, so I have a bit of trouble understanding when people are joking or being sincere. I think maybe that’s how I got into this mess with pops. I’m still a bit salty about it, though I’ll be fine tomorrow.
I don’t see either of the recent replacements being scum. Mostly based on how close I was to requesting a replacement too, and I don’t think I would’ve come anywhere near as close to if I were scum.

eyestott, mind explaining the reasoning for your scumread on me? Plus, do you believe one of the the three wagons is probably correct on the basis you think town must be good enough to land a wagon on scum, or some other reasoning?

6

1: I’m still Not sure that your initial claim wasn’t a legitimate case of scum trying to fakeclaim a role only to find out that the role doesn’t exist
There are probably other reasons that I can’t recall right now, but I’ve stayed up past my normal bedtime for this tonight.
And yes, that’s correct.

Hahaha I started at 1:
And then stopped there lol

Has three scum reads and a partial explanation for one. Never explains the others.

Ooooohhhhh Taly I understand now! I didn’t realise that whole section of #479 was directed at me. Up until now I thought it was just the first sentence or two after that quote. I’m going to respond to that post more in depth today.

"Going to respond" but never does.

Current readslist, which will be updated very soon once I've gone through more of the recent game.
eyestott

Luca Blight
Aloratom


NDMath
Taly
Ame
Paragon

Yshtola Rhul
TheFuzzylogic99
popsofctown


No read: Taco and Wiisp (need to ISO them)

NDMath looks Town lean/high null

Spoiler: Page 33, 34, 35 and 36

UNVOTE:

I need a reset.
I'm starting my reads from scratch again.
@

everyone

: Let's say that you lose all your memories of what has thus far transpired in this game and all your reads. However, you get to keep one of your reads that you currently have (be it a town read or a scum read), and the reasoning behind it.
Which one would you choose to keep your memory of?

I think I would keep my memory of the small sequence of Luca posts that seemed really town indicative to me.  It's not impossible for me to decide the slot is scummy later but in Autumnal Luca stopped towntelling when the posture of the gamestate stopped lending itself easily to opportunities to do so, I would want to keep those on the balance sheet.
I'd discard townreads on eyestott and Paragon that are likely to regenerate themselves.
I'm not confident enough in any of my scumreads for them to be candidates for keeping.

I mostly like this answer and the reasoning behind it.

Ok yea Eyes is town. I fully agree with pops and Para on that one. Sorry Eyes I wanted to give you the being-scum-read experience but you're just too pure.

DAMNIT

My play is so drastically different from my scum game, I think you would pick up on it.

2 scum really changes things.

Pops/Para : Luca/Para : Luca/Taly

One of these is the scum team.

Why just two scum? I realize there was a conversation about it earlier, but you sound pretty confident.

And are you basing the teams on associatives, scummy behavior or vote analysis?

Just the fact that I can't form a 3 person team. This is a post I was working on before but canceled once I realized none of the pairings worked:

I'm getting pretty close to the solve here. It's within pops, Luca, Para, Taly, Fuzzy.

Fuzzy =/= Taly 112, 153 (also town indicative for Taly)
Hmm I thought before that pop v taly looked bussy but reviewing 153 and 180 I don't think so. pops =/= Taly
Para =/ Taly bottom of 521.

So Taly is town

.

pops, Luca, Para, Fuzzy.

Luca =/= Fuzzy 644
Fuzzy =/= Para 280, 388, 718, 715.

So Fuzzy is town.

pops, Luca, Para

Verifying...

Error pops =/ Luca based on the discussion regarding Rabid, especially 624 and 657

Solve broken. Back to the drawing board.

You started Purgatory with an extremely strong townread.  I don't think those are categorically different.  You had better reasoning in Purgatory though, which somehow means you should have a redder alignment in this game than that one.  It's baffling.

It means the opposite. There I was concerned with being town read. Here I am not. Taly recognized this. And it feels like you're deliberately avoiding that conclusion.

I disagree with the conclusion, but the reasoning here and the attempt to solve feels quite townie to me.

I would like popsofctown to be town for once, so I have decided that she is infact town. I would like her to know that I am

not

a framer.

Y'shtola Rhul, who is this sin-bringer you speak of that has entered our ranks? Is it popsofctown or someone else?

A Sign of a Red Colour, sporting the word "Stop"

Sin Eaters are the embodiment of the primordial light that threatens our world. I've lost the scent of that which I believe is our likeliest chance of hitting one such creature, but rest assured I will do my utmost to resume the chase by finding another.

geee, im definitely caught scum now, how the fuck will i ever recover after 725

hopes and dreams of ever reaching that don clerone scummy have been dashed, time to go back to the newbie queue and self-vote every game to repent my transgressions

Taly, how often do you get angry as a Warrior of Light and as a Sin Eater?

There's impressively little else I wish to comment on.

I will consolidate my thoughts and decide on a course of action anon.

VOTE: Taco

Speak your piece, silent one.

I don't like the content Yshtola is bringing out. The flavour behind the posting is making it very hard to follow, and I feel like she is putting much more effort into the flavour and hiding behind it than actually contributing to the game.

New Reads list:
eyestott

Luca Blight
Aloratom
Ame

NDMath
Taly
Paragon
Wiisp

popsofctown
TheFuzzylogic99
Yshtola Rhul

No read: Taco

"I like this answer and reasoning."
"I don't like the way Y'shtola is posting."
NDMath is a Town lean/high null.

How would you describe your gameplay?

I would describe myself as a scholar to the art of mafia, here to learn what I can in order to defeat the threat of the Sin Eaters.

I am not the hero of the story, I am merely an assistant to the Warriors of Light that maintain the front lines in our fight. That is my purpose.

UGH can someone tell me why I find this scummy?
VOTE: Yshtola Rhul

Y'shtola vote with no explanation.

I’m willing to contribute to this wagon, but I won’t let the hammer happen before Ame is back.
VOTE: NDMath
I don’t believe the reads are genuine

Also fml with the new lockdown stuff for Australia today my plans to finally get some may be postponed for another few months

NDMath vote after never having him in his scum pool. Prior to this NDMath was the first player listed in his middle pack.

Oh I thought he was at L-1. VOTE: Fuzzy
Now he is.

Finally votes a scum read at EOD.

Luca, do you think a NDMath Lynch is possible at this point? You expressed intent to lynch, are you intending to follow through?

Fuzzy lynch is inevitable at this point, but he asks Luca if it's too late to lynch NDMath. Why?

Fuck. Two Nightkills? I can't remember being in a double elimination night before.
Under normal rules, there cant be two anti-town NKs without significant shenanigans, right? Like, is a Vigilante the only explanation?

Is this genuine outrage?

The extra kill has to be from a form of vigilante. (1-shot, full, JOAT, etc.)

In fact

VOTE: Blake

I didn't forget you taly I just think this is more interesting to pursue right now.

'iInteresting' is a good word choice here.
VOTE: Blake

She was pretty much the only person who thought fuzzy's lynch would probably hit scum (maybe barring pops who fuzzy was tunnelling.) And I find it scummy how the flip against her reads almost makes her more confident in her reads.
I agree with Churros that her answers about Rhul don't quite hold up either.

VOTE: NDMath

This post is not town.

Can you expand on your reasoning? I’m just trying to sort out this exchange

This is a good post. Looks like he's trying to figure it out.

VOTE: NDMath
Should’ve done this earlier. This ones for you, Luca.

Again, why NDMath? Still no explanation.

Will you be interested if I claim?

What?

Reads:

Town
Myself
Aloratom
Taly

Null
Firebringer
Churros
Paragon

Scum
Something Smart
Blake
NDMath

NDMath is now scum for some reason.

Overall, eyestott has been playing a superficial game. He asks questions, but doesn't follow up. He gives reads, but does not give reasons for the reads. He's been able to say things like "I like what you said there" and no one has asked him "Why did you like that?" His vote on NDMath Day 1 and Day 2 does not make sense given that there's no progression, and then when the lynch of one of his consistent scum reads is about to occur (Fuzzy), he expresses doubts. He's been an active lurker for the most part, and I think he's been getting away with a lot. Town just isn't calling him on his superficial posting. His Day 2 reaction to Taly's vote is odd. In fact, his entire Day 2 has been strange. It's not Town behavior. I had him at high Town middle of Day 1, but that's before I realized that he's been skimming through this game. I'm not ready to say he's lock scum yet, but he's fallen from my lock Town reads.

[Something_Smart]

None of the stuff that you mentioned there really seems scummy to me.

[Aloratom]

@Aloratom: Last time you posted a readslist, at 1579, I was your highest townread, whereas, as of your most recent post, you're considering the idea of scumstott. Was my response to Taly's vote all that weird? Cause I don't see it.

I'll get to this sometime today, but I need to get some work done. It entails me pulling some quotes from your ISO, and I don't have the time to do that right now.

That was in response to this, eyestott's 2004. Just took me an extra day to get to it.

[eyestott]

Alora, I agree my posting today has been quite different tonally, and I understand your change of perspective. I'm not gonna lie, I'm finding it quite hard to stay engaged in this game right now. I think the constant replacements really screwed with my head, especially the fact that I essentially caused Rabid to replace by satirically claiming a role restriction, THEN caused wiisp to replace out by calling him out. It's just not the kind of thing I want to deal with in a game where my primary motivation is to have fun.
This is just starting to feel less like a game and more like a uni assignment.
But that doesn't excuse the changes in my reads. However, I could call you out for the untelegraphed changes in your own read on me. But here's the thing:
It isn't alignment indicative.

[Paragon]

Let's end this day! People have grown lethargic, and I think we need to see a flip. Votes on NDMath please!

[Paragon]

Why is Darude Sandstorm stuck in my head

[Paragon]

It better not be one of you three playing it in my head. I'm looking at

you

especially, popsofctown.

Oh yeah, Ame; what was up with that calling eyestott town for being pure? Gonna have to look at your slot's interactions with eyestott closely in future.

Luca Blight wants NDMath to hang already. I'd say we have a pretty great chance of hitting scum here, and if we don't, it's fine, since I'll just jail eyestott tonight.

[nomnomnom]

Mod notice

• No new changes since last VC.
  
  
• Prodding Taly.

[Taly]

I have classwork but I will get to this sometime today.

[Aloratom]

VOTE: NDMath

I'm still think this is the best lynch today. A red flip here clears eyestott I believe. I can't see a NDMath/eyestott team.

This is L-1.

[Aloratom]

Alora, I agree my posting today has been quite different tonally, and I understand your change of perspective. I'm not gonna lie, I'm finding it quite hard to stay engaged in this game right now. I think the constant replacements really screwed with my head, especially the fact that I essentially caused Rabid to replace by satirically claiming a role restriction, THEN caused wiisp to replace out by calling him out. It's just not the kind of thing I want to deal with in a game where my primary motivation is to have fun.
This is just starting to feel less like a game and more like a uni assignment.
But that doesn't excuse the changes in my reads. However, I could call you out for the untelegraphed changes in your own read on me. But here's the thing:
It isn't alignment indicative.

It's difficult when you become emotionally invested in something when intellectually you know better. I think that's what happens to the first player in the NDMath slot before they repped out. And all that stuff you cited, I think it's unfair of you to put that on yourself. You just can't do that.

[NDMath]

I have legit been in everyone's scummiest 2 for the majority of this day phase besides fire who requested replacement.
How/why am I still alive?

VOTE: NDMath

I'm still think this is the best lynch today. A red flip here clears eyestott I believe. I can't see a NDMath/eyestott team.

This is L-1.

Can you elaborate on this because others were saying they thought eyes was bussing me?


@eyestott is I flip scum where do you look for my partners at?

[Churros]

Churros, how much scummier do you find Something_Smart over NDMath?

I don't want to say I've too much confidence on SS over NDmath because if NDmath flips scum it'll look bad on me, but...I don't know, considerably enough is the answer?

If you believe you'd ragequit if NDMath was scum, and Something_Smart town, then how would you refrain from doing so by pursuing a Something_Smart lynch and taking that gamble?

I've started to live by the principle of voting who I think is the scummiest for as long as possible. Voting for political reasons is what scum or dumb town do (dumb town = past!me by the way).

Anyway, if anything was taught to me in past games, is that you likely never let to lynch tomorrow someone you can lynch today. I've lost winnable games because of that.

[NDMath]

@Taly give me a post or posts from Blake's Iso that you think scum!Blake can't fake.

[Churros]

V/LA until Monday.

I've said my piece about SS, if when I come back NDmath is still in L-1/SS wagon is still cold, I'm hammering with no regrets. This day has gone long enough if it's going to be stale like it is right now.