Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Lie Ren]

i made you an avatar lie ren

Well that wasn't what I expected. If that's what I think it's supposed to mean you actually figured out who I am already. Might as well just say it, this is Gamma Emerald. I wanted to see how I played as an alt if I embraced the tendency to not do as much in alt games. In addition I mentioned wanting to play a way I normally don't, that's in reference to my experience in Perfect Masquerade, where I enjoyed playing as a hidden alt in that game, as well as writing posts in a more "proper" manner compared to what I normally do.

Now although I did enjoy that jape, I must kindly refuse that avatar because I would like to have one of the character this alt is named after. I'll continue skimming to see if one was posted in the thread, and if not I'll find one myself because I'm on a device where I can do that rather seamlessly right now.

I noticed gobbledygook gave me flak for this post. I really don't get why me deciding to out my alt on a whim would be a scum thing. If one person knows after the bare amount of posting I did, it's very likely to be completely obvious. Plus I was having to repress my urge to use meta like I tend to do, and so it was nice to have a reason to stop worrying about that.

I was tl you before I knew that but that read is strengthened by knowing this.

~N

What knowledge strengthened your town feelings on me, perchance? If it's who I was, that's rather not fair to make statements like that while hiding your own face.

[mastina]

I sense that they're not interacting with each other in good faith, in a way that feels like scum partners currently.

I honestly don't see what there'd be to interact with so far. jjh is doing his own thing, I'm doing my own, I see him as town, we might have similar outlooks on the game, but like. I don't feel a need to ask him to sheep me--but that's not a trait unique to jjh; I'm not asking

anyone

to sheep me because I feel like people will come around on their own.

To reiterate--with it clear jjh is town, with it clear Molla is town, with it clear Turkey is town, and with me knowing I am town, the game has almost a lock-solve just by those names alone.

You only need one town in {Elmo, DDL, NSG, Amrun, Wonderwall} to have an insurmountable poe.
I see Elmo as town and have DDL as town, which're admittedly not universal, but like. Only need one read to become more widespread for the game to be lock upon lock.

And right now we have good spots to vote, so like.
I don't feel the need to push further than that.

[Lie Ren]

I do agree with the statement that if Mastina is scum vs an NSG AND RC town team her MO has to be to corral people who support her and shade RC/NSG in order to have any chance.

Mate I don't shade. Period. If I think someone is scum, I will call them scum. If I am scum, then I fake this process. (Well, when I so choose. I usually am just...not bothering to do so as scum these days because I've been finding I simply don't need to. No, really. Legit serious, these days as scum I've found I don't even need to give scumreads, and I still get away with a surprisingly large amount of shit.)

There is value to be had in paragons being alive, if they are town--but they wouldn't be paragons if they were rattled, if they were shaken, by an incorrect scumread on their slot. They wouldn't be paragons if someone incorrectly scumreading them threw them off their beat, threw them off their kilter, kept them from putting in a paragon-level performance.

And there is value to be had in paragons being alive, if they are town--but if they

aren't

town, then why the fuck would I fear pushing scum just off of the value of "what if they're town", given the above? Given that being erroneously scumread shouldn't rattle, shouldn't shake, a paragon winner, there's no reason not to state a scumread on one.

Granted, I have reasonably good reasons to not push the read on RC. He's not in my game so I can't even vote him; there's enough scumspects in his game that given only two of them are scum there's a fair chance that he is town; fighting with RC on D1 is unproductive because even if he is scum he's not getting lynched D1; if RC is town then the scum will nightkill him eventually anyway. All these make it so that I don't really have interest in pushing RC, but that sure as fuck won't stop me from stating a scumread there.

I feel a bit of mockery going on here.

[mastina]

Mastina isn’t an easy read but she seems to be pretty genuine here, where she seems kind of off as scum.

Oh that's a really good way of describing it yeah.

As scum I've tried a lifetime to not feel "off" to myself but to this day, never had a scumgame where I didn't feel 'off'. And when I can tell I am 'off' as scum, I can tell that others can tell, too.

Similarly so for as town. Like this game, I can recognize I'm not the normal town mastina but can still feel that I'm *a* town mastina and am not 'off' to a degree where scumreads on me should exist. They shouldn't.

[Lie Ren]

Well then, what makes this game special?

What makes any game be special?

Unique combination of players, their alignments/roles, the game moderator's choice on how to handle the game, the setup, the mechanics, all form a perfect storm to make something magical--most games have

something

special to them due to these factors combining to make something unique, and in this game, it was the feeling of the game being close to solved by page seven.

This feels so fru-fru frilly for some reason.

[Lie Ren]

And Dolittle's ISO is really crap. I challenge anyone to find anything remotely town in there.

Experience with DDL as a player--have you played with him before? If so, then you'd know that DDL is like this every game.

Since he is like this every game, what makes him town here instead of null, though? That amounts to mostly gut involving DDL's opener in this game;

im excited to be able to sheep illustrious players like gobbles and baezu this game

can someone tell me what to do thanks

And these are what immediately struck me as town, because they just felt like an entrance that DDL wouldn't make as scum.

DDL is like this in every game, so why are you choosing to die on this hill of blatantly defending him? Why not take a neutral stance?

[mastina]

"I have read who this is an alt of before, but I do not remember who it is; I remember it is an alt of a scummer with a decent amount of experience, but not which scummer it was. Might be a logical scummer." That is what I knew about Shuichi at the time I made that list.

And why would not posting be indicative of town for an experienced/logical scummer?

I guessed at what alignment that would make the lack of posting be--my analysis of that sort of player is that they are more likely to make delayed entrances, thus, slightly more likely to be town, pending their posts, obviously.

[mastina]

Molla

Is Molla really usually an easy read?

Pretty much yeah.

[mastina]

I feel a bit of mockery going on here.

I mean I am not gonna say I don't do mockery on occasions, but that post sure doesn't have any to it. It's dead serious, no joking, no mocking, no nothing. Just truth.

[mastina]

This feels so fru-fru frilly for some reason.

No more than the original question. You were asking me to answer something that's literally impossible to answer. Find a game you found special in some way. Can YOU name what you thought made that game special in that way?

...No?

...Exactly.

[mastina]

DDL is like this in every game, so why are you choosing to die on this hill of blatantly defending him? Why not take a neutral stance?

Because

[Lie Ren]

You know what, screw it. Your credibility in this game took a nosedive, even outside the laughable idea of having a townread on DDL at this moment.

[Trojan Horses]

"I have read who this is an alt of before, but I do not remember who it is; I remember it is an alt of a scummer with a decent amount of experience, but not which scummer it was. Might be a logical scummer." That is what I knew about Shuichi at the time I made that list.

And why would not posting be indicative of town for an experienced/logical scummer?

I guessed at what alignment that would make the lack of posting be--my analysis of that sort of player is that they are more likely to make delayed entrances, thus, slightly more likely to be town, pending their posts, obviously.

don't see at all why a logical scummer would make delayed entrance more as town than scum. O.o

[DrDolittle]

You know what, screw it. Your credibility in this game took a nosedive, even outside the laughable idea of having a townread on DDL at this moment.

Come on dude.

[DrDolittle]

I will give this game TLC soon I swear
By the moon and the stars in the sky

[Trojan Horses]

Sup DrDonothing

[Trojan Horses]

I liked your Eddie Murphy avi better.

[DrDolittle]

I'm consistent

[Elmo TeH AzN]

This game blows me mind. I go to sleep I got 10 more pages to sift thru

[Bernadetta]

How is this game different from newbie 1989 from Jormen Bernie?

At least he got stances this game

Although I guess I could say that I'm not done with reading him because I need to see how he posts from now on.

[Bernadetta]

With that said, I'll have to up the standards for reading people in my game.

And that'll not happen today because I actually came here to declare

V/LA until Friday @mod

.

[gobbledygook]

Id say
{Jor, Baezu,

Bernie

} is my group first your game RC

Pedit: who is

Bernie

lol

What sort of foul trickery is this?

By the way the font color menu looks awful on Chromebook.

I was asking RC who Bernie was. To put it another way, I was asking RC what is the name of Bernie's main account.

I have like over 20 pages to catch up but still liking Mastina, Gobbles and also Fire hydra, and RC. If someone could also tell wtf Bernadetta is doing, that would also be swell.

~Nimda

Why does it matter what Bernie is doing? Are you not able to get a read on what Bernie is currently doing?

Yawn?

Why do you feel more comfortable sheeping me rather than discussing and coming to an agreement with your hydra partners?

[Trojan Horses]

Why do you feel more comfortable sheeping me rather than discussing and coming to an agreement with your hydra partners?

Who said I'm more comfortable doing that?
Said that for the lulz, I'm really surprised that wasn't clear lol

[Shuichi Saihara]

I think I can comfortably sheep Gob actually.
Gob, you get to dictate my vote for today!

You keep saying you have reads and stances. What's making you uncomfortable about owning them?

If you're feeling unconfident, you also have two other heads who you could bounce ideas off whose alignments you should be more sure of than Gobbles.

So I find this weird, because I really didn't think I was coming off as super serious. Especially considering that I showed confidence in my reads before this and defended them as well.
Gob's attack on this is also -yawn- obviously but whatevz since he's town. Why assume that my proposed leashing is a result of great critical thought in thread (which I agree isn't there heehh) versus potential great solves (likely if town and Gob's town)?

I don't really understand what you're going on about here but yes I am assuming you mean what you post and it's going to make my life very hard if I can't do that. Jokes are typically funny, and if you're not being serious or funny then I don't know what you're doing.

If your turbo townread gobbles agreed with me that this post was weird, how are you getting to thinking it's weird for me to take issue with it?

I am confused by this dichotomy between "critical thought" and "great solves" because those seem like the same thing to me.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Whereas as town, I am usually emotional (this game I'm not, this game is a bit lifeless I admit but like, extenuating circumstances there because past the initial excitement of feeling the game was solve, there's just the boredom of waiting for people to get to where I am at)

I don't typically read mastina posts, but this caught my eye. This is something I would expect her to say as scum, and I think she will agree with me on this.