Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[Aloratom]

Good morning.

I'm upset you took my page top. Almost as if you waited for it.

Elmo

[humaneatingmonkey]

huuuuuuh

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 1.01

HoldenGolden - (1)

Kirari Momobami,

humaneatingmonkey - (2)

-LuckyLuciano, Holdengolden

LuckyLuciano - (3)

- Yooh, InWho22, humaneatingmonkey

Not Voting (9) -

Peaches, 3bounty, Aloratom

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

All Players Have Confirmed. Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-19 06:15:00)

[LuckyLuciano]

Holden - 2/5 - Monkey, Kirari
Monkey - 2/5 - Lucky, Holden
Lucky - 2/5 - Yooh, InWho

The next vote decides the leading wagon in a 3-way tie. Unfiltered, a mafia vote is almost never on scum here. If let an outside player come in and vote, we can analyze that in later day phases. If the voter flips rep, the votee is likely town. If the votee flips red, the voter is likely town. In other words, the voter and votee here are almost always TvT or TvS and almost never SvS. Your vote made the VC:

Holden - 1/5 - Kirari
Monkey - 2/5 - Lucky, Holden
Lucky - 3/5 - Yooh, InWho, Lucky

If you can't see how the new gamestate doesn't lend itself to an AI vote, then good username.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you think lynch would be achieved with the three wagons we have here — this early?
Or are you just salty that I voted you?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[LuckyLuciano]

Note to self: Avoid logos with Monkey. I'm going to move on from this topic instead of trying to reason with you for the next 2-3 pages.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Salty it is.

[Peaches]

VOTE: Aloratom

@Aloratom why no RVS vote?

[Aloratom]

Good morning.

I'm upset you took my page top. Almost as if you waited for it.

Elmo

Damn. I'm gonna get mod killed Day 1.

[3bounty]

Hello all,

VOTE: InWho22

[3bounty]

LL v HEM screams scum vs scum to me. Thoughts?

[HoldenGolden]

Holden - 2/5 - Monkey, Kirari
Monkey - 2/5 - Lucky, Holden
Lucky - 2/5 - Yooh, InWho

The next vote decides the leading wagon in a 3-way tie. Unfiltered, a mafia vote is almost never on scum here. If let an outside player come in and vote, we can analyze that in later day phases. If the voter flips rep, the votee is likely town. If the votee flips red, the voter is likely town. In other words, the voter and votee here are almost always TvT or TvS and almost never SvS. Your vote made the VC:

Holden - 1/5 - Kirari
Monkey - 2/5 - Lucky, Holden
Lucky - 3/5 - Yooh, InWho, Lucky

If you can't see how the new gamestate doesn't lend itself to an AI vote, then good username.

That's WIFOM at this stage of the game.

Scum can most certainly put their vote on their teammate assuming one of the wagons is their partner. There is not a high risk since lolhammers this early is very uncommon. You can maybe insinuate that newbie!scum would feel scared to do so, but then they can just vote off wagon so it does not really hold up,

Besides, its 1-1-3 not 2-1-3.

[HoldenGolden]

LL v HEM screams scum vs scum to me. Thoughts?

LL rubs me wrong for something that sounds forced to me. It is a major stretch for them to reach for such a conclusion that really at this given point is nothing. All of it is based on post lynching, which is odd for a townie to focus on.

HEM on the other hand I can see as town or scum here.

[LuckyLuciano]

I don't see the 1-1-3. Didn't the mod just miss your vote on HEM?

[LuckyLuciano]

Yeah, vote count is F'd up. You're vote isn't on there and InTheWho is there twice.

[LuckyLuciano]

As for my meta,

(1) I focus on finding town over finding scum. Scum are caught via PoE.
(2) When I do pursue scum, it's in the form of truth testing. I take something, stretch it to it's furthest logical extreme, and let the town check it's viability through their feedback.
(3) I try to end RVS early.
(4) I will also be trying to end day one early, as after a certain point the length of day one begins to inversely correlate with the town's win percentage.

[HoldenGolden]

As for my meta,

(1) I focus on finding town over finding scum. Scum are caught via PoE.
(2) When I do pursue scum, it's in the form of truth testing. I take something, stretch it to it's furthest logical extreme, and let the town check it's viability through their feedback.
(3) I try to end RVS early.
(4) I will also be trying to end day one early, as after a certain point the length of day one begins to inversely correlate with the town's win percentage.

Well judging from the vote count you are doing pretty good for (3) and (4)

While I agree that RVS does outstay its welcome (even if I like shitposting), my issue is not so much you were trying to advance the game but doing so in a very unnatural way.

The logic you are using not only would only be applied after a lynch, but also is problematic as I earlier stated because we do not know which, if any, wagons are scum. The entire strat relies only on a confirm scum flip. That is not even getting into the fact that it is highly WIFOM due to the nature of it still being RVS.

Rather, it feels oddly constructed as if you are scum trying to generate content. The fact that you soft push Monkey for it when nothing has push the game out of RVS is scummy as hell.

@MOD Please when you get a chance fix the VC

It's Fixed.
Thanks Elmo.

[HoldenGolden]

Oh yeah this is a newbie game.

RVS stands for random voting stage. Exactly what it sounds like.
WIFOM = Wine in Front of Me. "is the dilemma that arises from trying to predict whether someone has made an optimal but expected choice, or a suboptimal but unexpected one."

Aka it is if I gave you two cups of different colors and told you one was poisoned whiling handing you one. I then ask if you want to switch cups. Debating rather or not I would keep the poison cup playing off the idea you will agree to switch is WIFOM

[LuckyLuciano]

I never said the vote would have been strongly AI, just that it would be AI, at least relative to what can be AI at this stage of the game. Town's best chance at solving the game is at LYLO. At LYLO we want as much valuable information as possible. The tie-breaking vote that Monkey denied may be a small piece to a large puzzle, but its still a piece. Maybe we don't see where the piece goes until the puzzle is essentially solved, but maybe it links together other important parts of the puzzle. Why deny ourselves valuable info of any magnitude?

If you think my push on Monkey is constructed, you are going to really dislike my meta.

[Kirari Momobami]

VOTE: LuckyLuciano
Just to even the wagon here.
Also hey guys

This scummy

[HoldenGolden]

Really bad play if you are town to break a 3-way tie in which your are one of the wagons,

instead of letting a non-voting player come in and decide the leading wagon. Wouldn't the latter be reasonably AI once flips start coming out?

If you can't see how the new gamestate doesn't lend itself to an AI vote, then good username.

Is this not a manner of which to discredit and cast doubt on a player? That's the issue I have is the tonal. The first directly casts shade onto HEM alignment. The second is a bit more distant, but is still implying that town!hem should understand and strengths the first shade attempt through making it seem is a logically reasonable point.

I agree that LYLO is town's best chance. I think that the logic you are using is flawed due to the nature of the stage of the game at the point it happen. I would overlook both if you weren't simultaneously seeemilgy discrediting HEM

[Kirari Momobami]

Alora/who22

VOTE: who22

[Kirari Momobami]

There actually could be scum in holden ll, I just don't know which is scummier between self meta and the push

[HoldenGolden]

There actually could be scum in holden ll, I just don't know which is scummier between self meta and the push

What do you make over the interaction with HEM?