On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Disaster Artists]

Cakez do you enjoy scum?

-JC

[The Searchers]

DN's 1119 continues to scummily ignore that Ircher and myself are two different people
I kind of like the analysis going on in 1141 though. More dissonance! Ircher doesn't like it. I kind of like SB's reaction to the case too??? Esp 1190. I think there is scum between the two slots.
I also like Blake's 1143

I think The Searchers had a town read on Imperium early on and have since changed their minds so maybe I shouldn't have included them

~Spiffy

We are conflicted. We think the role claim is town but the play less so. I'm less strong on Nacho's posts last night than I was at the time.
What IS your read on Imperium Spiff?

Cakez do you enjoy scum?

-JC

Not really

Where is the Bringer head of SB?

SC

[Blake X Yang]

the

Feminist Bloc/Searcher/LatiosLatias/Spiffybringer

4-hydra interaction is extremely hilarious, just by skimming it all, I feel like I'm reading 8 clones of the same person at this point, mostly based on both tone and syntax of posts, nothing specifically AI as I haven't critically read it all yet.

OK, done shitposting and I need to finish classwork, next posts will have high-caliber content, everybody in this game can hold me to it.

-yang

[Disaster Artists]

Let me get my popcorn while we wait for Firebringer to respond to Taly saying that he thinks Gamma Emerald's posting and his own feel like clones of the same person

-JC

[Black Hole Defection]

97 meta expectation of ego sounded fake

-JC

Understandable, although it wasn't fake. Have you got an opinion on egospray?

Poke @disaster

-Farkran

That you a) have said you townread me twice
b) forgot which question I had even replied to
c) are now saying you want to vote me because I didn't reply when you forgot my initial reply and were asking about a null/town read

which is not a read I expand on in this gamestate anyway

is like... an awful progression lol

-JC

Do you have intel on Farkran? He's the type to move his queen into the middle of the board turn four and ask someone else to do the same. Why would you expect him to follow your same theory?
This looks a bit like Black Hole devising a reason to be mad about a lucky guess.

If I can't engage by reading 20+ pages that boomed out of nowhere, then I'm taking a much more conversational approach to adapt, at least until I have a better handle of more than just a handful of players.

I think not looking into my push for content a second deeper is a very surface level mentality, and I'm weeding that out because it's a reason why the game is so dense. Namely, if people are more talkative, then they either provide tons of content or none at all - and it's very likely AI. That's how I sort in this situation.

-yang

p-edit

Maybe but everyone would be more excited to see your spicy hot takes without guidance

-JC

Speaker

is town, I've never encountered

Ircher

with this level of content that isn't town of him. A lot of his reads aren't the most popular at first glance, at least in my agreement with him, but he's not enforcing his will upon others, so I think he's town here. He's not aligning to a specific thought process and constructing his own.

Night Despair

felt town for reasons I've already mentioned. I don't follow the suspicion on him and I enjoyed some of their entrance posting, tbh.

You're very likely town to me because you're consistently in the thread but are finding means to sort - this is reinforced by who I think you are,

Cena

. I figured you wouldn't have such a conversational tone and sort in a scum POV because you're capable of devising very nuanced plans.

Unapologetic Foxy

actually felt town off first glance but that could be me misreading their personal vibe as AI. Through scampering the thread before it got larger earlier, I found that they townread this hydra -

and I want them to elaborate on why.

Since they supported someone who 1/2 of the hydra didn't agree with one of the first wagons of the game, I want to know what about this hydra's content is appealing.

Farkran Hydra

is harder to follow since multiple people with experience have expressed confusion in relation to their vibe - my other head

Blake

included. I like their consistent posting for content but I think they focus on details a bit much, and I'd like to become more conversational with them when it's more possible. I don't have a strong pull on this hydra either way, but I do not care for the other head saying

"guess I'll have to obvtown"

at some point, seemed defensive in nature.

I'm kind of sad

Hectic

died, I wanted to see why he felt

Farkran hydra/This hydra

was town, since both of us didn't have a clarified read on the other even after a subtle exchange.

Also, I greatly abhor people discussing post restrictions. It solves nothing. It's NAI.

Have not liked anything I've seen of

ego

, they've been present but not doing much. I disliked their associative of

Night Despair/this hydra

because I didn't feel convinced by the push there? Yeah, not stellar reasoning, but it's something. I want to communicate with my head before doing a push, ideally.

Everyone pushing

Pops

to die for winning the game feels very weird, and I want the reasoning explained.

I liked something about

Prism's

posting but I forgot.

Interesting post from Yang, whereas i remember a terrible push from blake happening several pages ahead of where i am at.

LOL, excuse me?

A bit funny you paint

Blake's

vote so poorly. How is it terrible if you haven't even read forward with critical thought? That's a preemptive statement that's meant to disregard an assessment. Both heads of this hydra have expressed some form of uncertainty of your slot, so claiming the vote as invalid before actually understanding the reasons behind the push is quite disingenuous. You either have the instilled idea that our push will be bad, or you're bracing yourself to combat our replies to you, neither are effective or town-indicative behaviors.

These two hydra are both reasonably active (not top posters, but also definitely not lurkers) but do not seem to be privately communicating about their opinions.

Are you in our PT?

Ank

and I haven't been able to do a full-out conversation to hash everything out, but that's partially why we're working around each other's reads here. That's a bit presumptuous of you to assume about our hydra only a little over a day after the game has begun.

I don't like your nitpick of detail here, it doesn't feel genuine.

I have just recently played my first game in a hydra with alisae, and we've been collaborating the shit out of that game as a town slot. This hydra with bitmap is vastly different, but that's because bitmap is fairly disengaged with the game so far.

OK?

You're associating effort and collaboration as an exclusively alignment indicative trait, as well as a cut and dry behavior. Not everyone works the same way as you, and it's a free argument for scum to project their standard of behavior onto another slot. If you're going to go this angle in combating this slot's attention to you, then flesh it out and redact your statement.

Yet, i would expect that taly/alyssa would be much more in line with their posting, and seeing these independent strikes from them is not something i'm fancying right now. Their voting pattern is also a bit weird based on progression, but i'll go about this later when i get to blake posts.

-Farkran

Have you even played with me before?

Tbh,

Aly/I

have pretty aligned reads for players who solve on a completely different wavelength.

I dislike that you treat us as one person, and not two separate thought processes. But you know, we're aligning a bit further in reads now.

I don't townread you here.

-yang

I definitely think Fark's post there had some reverse engineering conf bias going on
Like he was trying to ensure he could be in good position to SR your hydra because he knew you were pushing him down the line

-Latios

Is this what CO John Cena thought, diff words? This is definitely more of a "hit" with me. Do you think it's right that CO John Cena's whining oughtta give me goosebumps, or should I just chill?

Gamma, we have been town together and scum together in the past, why do you still always scumread me when i am town? You're doing the same thing you were doing in magireco, and it's wrong

-Farkran

Dude, you're so much better than responding to an unstealthed attack with a short sob story. Even if you're a Black Hole CO right now I wanna see you play better than that. Innovate.




Time is on my side today, and I calculate I'll reach the battlefront today or tomorrow.

[Equitable Androids]

Can we stop massively quoting walls? It makes it hard to filter what's important.

~Titus

[Disaster Artists]

Pops are you in a hood with bugspray?

-JC

[Black Hole Defection]

I will use spoiler technology in the future, sorry robot.

[Equitable Androids]

Thank you. I have got a lot to catch up on and I want to understand you.

~Titus

[Black Hole Defection]

If I invented a secret pair of walkie talkies that you can't intercept, I wouldn't let Black Hole know that I had them.
I will make it public that I invented a special walkie talkie that Hawke can't turn off, and it lets me give bug him into everlasting torment.

[Disaster Artists]

That sounds weird but you do you

-JC

[Feminist Blocc]

Feminist Blocc, all of the things you're describing as scummy are his playstyle. I recommend reading another game of his. He takes games very seriously, he digs into little parts of posts to attack, he dislikes thread spam, very confident in his reads (as evident in his early readslist), etc.

I have played with Ircher in the past and unless I have memory loss I'm pretty sure he wasn't this persistent on lynching ppl who shitpost but tbf that was a long time ago so it could have changed. I remember he takes games seriously and he digs into little parts, I think my argument makes sense considering those things? But yeah I'll take a look at it.

---
I read his ISO in mini 2085 (seems to be the most recent game he's played.) and immediately I notice he's shitposting at the beginning of the game? This feels much less, like, rigid for lack of a better word and more like Ircher as I remember him? His first readslist in that game talks about "doesn't feel like sorting the game... it's very likely I'm just biased though" and "sticks out the most." The language he uses doesn't really feel similar to this at all. And, like, as far as I can tell this is his most recent game, so I don't see how he's changed since then. So, what you're talking about doesn't really fit with what I remember about him or his ISO in his most recent game in my opinion. That being said it doesn't really make sense that you completely made this up. Did he have an alt or something? Would you mind linking me to the game I should be looking at?

the

Feminist Bloc/Searcher/LatiosLatias/Spiffybringer

4-hydra interaction is extremely hilarious, just by skimming it all, I feel like I'm reading 8 clones of the same person at this point, mostly based on both tone and syntax of posts, nothing specifically AI as I haven't critically read it all yet.

OK, done shitposting and I need to finish classwork, next posts will have high-caliber content, everybody in this game can hold me to it.

-yang

Hey, that's not fair, I use way more 'like's and smilies than they do

[Superb Subtlety]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 7

• Despair Night
  --------- 4 ( Egopsray, The Searchers, Spiffybringer, Latias and Latios )
  L- 5
  
  
  Disaster Artists
  ------ 3 ( Flavortown, Black Hole Defection, Mikoto and Kuroko )
  L- 6
  
  
  Mikoto and Kuroko
  ----- 2 ( Blake x Yang, Disaster Artists )
  L- 7
  
  
  Spiffybringer
  --------- 2 ( Imperium, Despair Night )
  L- 7
  
  
  The Searchers
  --------- 1 ( Feminist Blocc )
  L- 8
  
  
  Latias and Latios
  ----- 1 ( Smol Might )
  L- 8
  
  
  Flavortown
  ------------ 1 ( Equitable Androids )
  L- 8
  
  
  Smol Might
  ------------ 1 ( Cappy )
  L- 8
  
  
  Egospray
  -------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 7
  
  
  Cappy
  ----------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 8
  
  
  Blake x Yang
  ---------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  NL
  -------------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Black Hole Defection
  -- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Equitable Androids
  ---- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Imperium
  -------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Feminist Blocc
  -------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Unapologetically Foxy
  - 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ----------- 2 ( NL, Unapologetically Foxy )

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to Lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-15 01:56:11)

[Despair Night]

I feel like I should have an easier time town reading JC here, but I just do not. Anyone want to share some thoughts on them?

~som

[Superb Subtlety]

NL is being prodded.

Please announce V/LA for more than 48 hours inactivity!
And put up flags. You can do this by going to the UCP --> Vacation/Limited Access tab.
Those are very helpful for us!
Thanks

Love, Ali + Jjh

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Yang, ignoring me accidentally or on purpose?

-Farkran

[Latias and Latios]

Uhh I guess I should give all reads?
{DA, BHD, Imperium, Mikoto/Kuroko, Despair, Lati@s, Cappy} came off as town. The only one that's pinged me as scum so far is Searchers, I have a lot of nulls

VOTE: Searchers

since dats isn't playing the mafia part i can do whatever i want with this vote now!

pedit: Datisi's still playing the events pretty sure, he just doesn't want to play in this game because he can't keep up with it and he hates larges, we both thought this wasn't going to be a real mafia game and it was going to be mostly events and memes with a bit of mafia on the side too. I agree he was great! He actually told me before the event but I didn't get around to actually doing stuff earlier, oops

Lots of people seem to SR Searchers, I am curious why because they just feel kinda grating but not exactly in a scum way

ok good point not giving reasons is kind of useless lol

My scumread on Searchers is based pretty much entirely on the Ircher head, sorry to the SC head.

I'm scumreading this hydra dissonance. They could just as easily settle it in a hydra pt.

Iirc this post was the original reason I scumread them. For context Smol Night's heads were basically debating each other about whether they should sign their posts ingame, I agree this came off as a bit annoying but it's also very NAI I think since I can't imagine anyone thinking they could get towncred for discussing if they should sign posts in the game thread. Reads, maybe, but not that. To me this comes off as Ircher looking for things that he can attack rather than things that are scum-indicative.

Clogs up the thread; people might write it off etc

I think I already wrote about this but I think this part is scum-indicative as well; I think that the implication that Smol Night is actively trying to clog up the thread is/was weird considering plenty of people had posted more than them at the time. If this was true it'd be a really lackluster attempt and it doesn't feel right that Ircher keeps pushing things like this.

I also dislike Ircher's assertation that "Despair Nights is scum." in 480; feels like it's way more confident than it should be at this stage. I can see how someone would scumread 690 but their push on 729 I don't like either because 729 is just a shitpost and it still feels like Ircher is stretching to justify his DN read even when it's not so much early-game anymore.

It's not necessarily just individual posts that stand out as scummy to me, but it's a more holistic read of your slot. Just the whole general vibe is that you are pushing this aggressive playstyle while not doing much of substance. It feels like you're trying to dissuade interactions and dismiss any that look negatively upon you.

Tbh I don't really see this either. Like, sure DN made a lot of useless posts, but they had a good amount substance too considering that the game had only recently begun at that point. Like, any of these pushes on DN could come from town but when you put them all together plus the early Smolnight push, it just feels like scum trying to fabricate reads and produce content as quickly as possible rather than find scum, if that makes sense.

There's also the fact that I, like, don't really know who else to push on?? Like I've read the game but I'm extremely out of practise and a lot of it felt like, "yeah ok I have no idea what this is", "this feels genuine enough but I'm really not sure about it", etc.

-aus

This pingas towny to me

-Latios

[The Searchers]

I read his ISO in mini 2085 (seems to be the most recent game he's played.) and immediately I notice he's shitposting at the beginning of the game? This feels much less, like, rigid for lack of a better word and more like Ircher as I remember him? His first readslist in that game talks about "doesn't feel like sorting the game... it's very likely I'm just biased though" and "sticks out the most." The language he uses doesn't really feel similar to this at all. And, like, as far as I can tell this is his most recent game, so I don't see how he's changed since then. So, what you're talking about doesn't really fit with what I remember about him or his ISO in his most recent game in my opinion. That being said it doesn't really make sense that you completely made this up. Did he have an alt or something? Would you mind linking me to the game I should be looking at?

I have to preface this by saying I've been offsite for over a year until about last month so my meta of most people is ancient, which is what Spiffeh has referred to.
I was thinking of this (ancient) large normal I modded that Ircher was in: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=66557
I seem to remember other such games (and that this playstyle used to get Ircher mislynched a lot) but I can't recall their names since it's been so long
I've asked ircher to come in and respond himself

SC

[The Searchers]

I read his ISO in mini 2085 (seems to be the most recent game he's played.)

My latest game is Newbie 1975 (I was scum) as documented on my wiki page. Mini Normal 2085 is like 5 or so games ago back in summer of 2019.

Read/Look over that game then I'll look at your case again.
~Ircher

[Latias and Latios]

This will sound awkward since I am not Ircher myself but I can defend him here because I recognize this argument. Feminist Blocc, all of the things you're describing as scummy are his playstyle. I recommend reading another game of his. He takes games very seriously, he digs into little parts of posts to attack, he dislikes thread spam, very confident in his reads (as evident in his early readslist), etc.
Reading up now.

SC

Chemist also told me my Searchers SR was probably because of playstyle so I'm inclined to trust this.

-Latios

[Latias and Latios]

DN's 1119 continues to scummily ignore that Ircher and myself are two different people
I kind of like the analysis going on in 1141 though. More dissonance! Ircher doesn't like it. I kind of like SB's reaction to the case too??? Esp 1190. I think there is scum between the two slots.
I also like Blake's 1143

I think The Searchers had a town read on Imperium early on and have since changed their minds so maybe I shouldn't have included them

~Spiffy

We are conflicted. We think the role claim is town but the play less so. I'm less strong on Nacho's posts last night than I was at the time.
What IS your read on Imperium Spiff?

Cakez do you enjoy scum?

-JC

Not really

Where is the Bringer head of SB?

SC

This sorting by Cakez is pretty alright

-Latios

[The Searchers]

I read his ISO in mini 2085 (seems to be the most recent game he's played.)

My latest game is Newbie 1975 (I was scum) as documented on my wiki page. Mini Normal 2085 is like 5 or so games ago back in summer of 2019.

Read/Look over that game then I'll look at your case again.
~Ircher

To clarify, I don't think your case is being made in bad faith, but I'd rather we were on the same page first in terms of meta. We established during last marathon weekend that your ability to read me has significantly dropped.
~Ircher

[Latias and Latios]

the

Feminist Bloc/Searcher/LatiosLatias/Spiffybringer

4-hydra interaction is extremely hilarious, just by skimming it all, I feel like I'm reading 8 clones of the same person at this point, mostly based on both tone and syntax of posts, nothing specifically AI as I haven't critically read it all yet.

OK, done shitposting and I need to finish classwork, next posts will have high-caliber content, everybody in this game can hold me to it.

-yang

This is intensely curious. Why do you feel like we're "the same person"?

To address the following post as well, sure that might be funny if he ever catches up or even starts playing.

-Latios

[Latias and Latios]

s this what CO John Cena thought, diff words? This is definitely more of a "hit" with me. Do you think it's right that CO John Cena's whining oughtta give me goosebumps, or should I just chill?

I don't really get what's so bad about John Cena's reaction, yeah.
Although I think we had different thoughts that just feel similar because it's the same sort of thing being addressed.

-Latios

[Latias and Latios]

I feel like I should have an easier time town reading JC here, but I just do not. Anyone want to share some thoughts on them?

~som

PLease try to use his full name or maybe just Cena

JC can also be JunkoChan

-Latios