On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Prism]

I mean that being the case, I would find it very surprising that Insomnia would say to vig me only because he isn't townreading me yet, especially when he himself has acknowledged that his early game wim is low, and particularly in this game where the dayphase comes to a screeching halt twice a day while events take place.

Do you think this is scummy for him? I'm still working off of the posts where you seemed to imply he was likely town but deserving of a shot anyway.

So I thought it was a particularly bad take from a slot I was townreading, my kneejerk reaction was to write him off as scum for it and then I played with it in my head for a bit more and decided his specific head might still need to die if he was going to start proposing vig shots today since I think that's almost objectively scummy.

My issue is that your reaction to multiple posts was that these reinforced your view over the course of about 40 minutes, and you do go indepth about why you think they're scummy (Even though I think the contradiction between self-preservation and outing a general scumread explains much of it)

There's no explanation of why you flipped to him being a VI except for the "if insomnia is having one of his moments" which sounds like would have been one of the first things you thought of, way before "flipping the meta from this specific game"

[Black Hole Defection]

I mean that being the case, I would find it very surprising that Insomnia would say to vig me only because he isn't townreading me yet, especially when he himself has acknowledged that his early game wim is low, and particularly in this game where the dayphase comes to a screeching halt twice a day while events take place.

Do you think this is scummy for him? I'm still working off of the posts where you seemed to imply he was likely town but deserving of a shot anyway.

So I thought it was a particularly bad take from a slot I was townreading, my kneejerk reaction was to write him off as scum for it and then I played with it in my head for a bit more and decided his specific head might still need to die if he was going to start proposing vig shots today since I think that's almost objectively scummy.

My issue is that your reaction to multiple posts was that these reinforced your view over the course of about 40 minutes, and you do go indepth about why you think they're scummy (Even though I think the contradiction between self-preservation and outing a general scumread explains much of it)

There's no explanation of why you flipped to him being a VI except for the "if insomnia is having one of his moments" which sounds like would have been one of the first things you thought of, way before "flipping the meta from this specific game"

[Disaster Artists]

My issue is that your reaction to multiple posts was that these reinforced your view over the course of about 40 minutes, and you do go indepth about why you think they're scummy (Even though I think the contradiction between self-preservation and outing a general scumread explains much of it)

There's no explanation of why you flipped to him being a VI except for the "if insomnia is having one of his moments" which sounds like would have been one of the first things you thought of, way before "flipping the meta from this specific game"

I mean the main thing that changed in that time was probably my blood pressure

Me getting less pissed at something stupid someone said because I've cooled down can definitely change my read to an extent

-JC

[Latias and Latios]

Well my awful sleep schedule just royally messed up my day

-Latios

[Black Hole Defection]

Do you have any reflections you want to share about last night's posting?

[Latias and Latios]

Ugh, another 14 pages...

Dang I missed the event. Time to wait for the next one

Also yw for catching the prod Gify

We'd love it if you posted something of substance...

Neighborhood power best power you take that back right now!

This 100%.

VOTE: Imperium

???

maria seems to be actively trying to get lynched ATM
there aren't jesters and so she's really just lazy as fuck town

That's still pretty low town equity. I agree that the NL hydra is currently a bad lynch, but I would be 100% okay with a vig shot headed that way.

btw anyone who expressed the sentiment those who are sniping events are scummy, if you're not default SRing MariaR you're gonna need a good reason why

-Latios

Their slot is null because they have yet to do anything alignment-indicative. This clearly an instance of being lazy, not necessarily scummy.

Lol fuck me for having to decide which is the scum in Imperium and Spiffy

Lol JC should get shot lol he’s scum lol

~som

Couldn't they both be town?

Do it, you won’t!

~som

I have to admit, I think part of my scumread on you id playstyle related. That being said, I'm not convinced you are town, but I do need to reevaluate your slot.

This interaction looks so fake lol

- Silver Bullet

Yeah, I agree it sounds pretty off.

All three of the COs Silver Bullet, John Cena, and insomnia, seem to mainly be yelling about whether the plans they're showing eachother are forgeries or real.
I am unsure about two of them, but CO John Cena's plans is the easiest for me to understand, which makes me most confident they are genuine. He cannot think of a way CO insomnia would use a CO Power as Orange Star without good vision on his target, so even though he can't figure out what the Black Hole Plan must be, there's only two nations on this planet. I can remember thinking this in similar battle moments. I don't follow CO Cappy's and CO insomnia's plans as easily.

I've been skimming quickly over their posts. This is useful info to have.

This engagement was rather enlightening, thank you.

Disaster Artists, Black Hole Deflection, and Cappy are all confident townreads at this point.

Latias and Latios is no longer a townread.
Despair Night can go either way. I don't believe Insomnia's contributions to this engagement were particularly town or scum indicative.

-Blake

What made you downgrade your Latias & Latios read?

Searchers town

~som

:O Well I guess you were more annoyed with us than anything.

~Ircher

I don't vibe with this, for some reason. It feels like our thoughts are lining up butthere's something off fundamentally.
Ircher whenever you get the chance I'd like to try to talk with you about the game.

-Latios

And Prism, you're gonna have to tell me what you mean by that.

[Black Hole Defection]

I'm not a fan of a Smol Might vote. This slot needs to make more of an attempt to explain things, and less of an attempt at one-liners. I would say they're more likely town for not trying to match their play to others+their confusion of Gamma for Chemist reads as plausible, but to be blunt this slot is a coinflip. This is a default lynch.

I apologize in advance because this is going to be offensive Smol Might, but I strongly feel that you're outclassed by most of the players in this game. This is something you can and should be using to your advantage: attempting to engage seriously with the game and really try to put the thoughts behind your reads into words is likely to make you a very straightforward read and put you in a better position.

[Black Hole Defection]

And Prism, you're gonna have to tell me what you mean by that.

The question was intentionally broad to get you to revisit the you/JC/Pink Ball/Blake arguments from last night with the power of hindsight and an emotional return to center.

I remembered you connecting JC's actions to a past game and getting very angry at Blake for not treating you as an equal. I don't remember as much beyond that at the moment.

[Disaster Artists]

That would have been way funnier if you'd said it about Flavortown :3

-JC

[Disaster Artists]

Damn your ninjas.

Anyway I still want Gamma to explain why he thinks his play here is fundamentally distinct from Overkill 2, and which game he was even referring to where I said he scumreads me consistently. Since you made a big deal of being treated as an equal, maybe answer the questions posed to you

-JC

[Latias and Latios]

After that readslist

What? Is this referring to one we've posted? I haven't made a read list in thread, only in our PT up to now, and I don't think Chemist has made one at all.

-Latios

Prism, that's a very good thing to try, however I don't think my thoughts on that have changed or will change much currently but I'm out of the moment now and more calm, cool, and collective about things. Thanks for that though.

[Latias and Latios]

Damn your ninjas.

Anyway I still want Gamma to explain why he thinks his play here is fundamentally distinct from Overkill 2, and which game he was even referring to where I said he scumreads me consistently. Since you made a big deal of being treated as an equal, maybe answer the questions posed to you

-JC

I answered the latter question like twice now, and if you can't get that fact why should I bother answering the former?

-Latios

[Disaster Artists]

lol

you're tilted but you literally are misrepresenting what I said

Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

Yeah except you've literally only ever pushed me when you're scum, Gamma

I did not say you ALWAYS push me as scum

I said you have ONLY pushed me as scum -- which is to say that, as town, you have not tended to push me (regardless of my alignment)

now I was scum that game but it wasn't a lie at the time, you had not tended to push me when you were town

It's also quite different from my read of Pink Ball who I think we were discussing at the time where in both of our s/s games he never committed to a townread on me which doesn't necessarily tell me his s/t play toward me but does suggest that his scum play toward my slot will veer toward an undeveloped scum-read

so yes, you scumreading me (with you town) does continue to go against the grain.

You're right I did miss you saying ali v Pine somehow so sorry about that. Now why is this not your overkill 2 play?

-JC

[Disaster Artists]

Also, I will pretty much always encapsulate generalized patterns of scum play as either alignment so I still really don't get why you're arguing a summary of someone's play toward me will be AI

Do you think I *don't* make points like that as town?

-JC

[Equitable Androids]

Also, I will pretty much always encapsulate generalized patterns of scum play as either alignment so I still really don't get why you're arguing a summary of someone's play toward me will be AI

Is this saying you are mislynch bait?

~Titus

[Latias and Latios]

lol

you're tilted but you literally are misrepresenting what I said

Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

Yeah except you've literally only ever pushed me when you're scum, Gamma

I did not say you ALWAYS push me as scum

I said you have ONLY pushed me as scum -- which is to say that, as town, you have not tended to push me (regardless of my alignment)

now I was scum that game but it wasn't a lie at the time, you had not tended to push me when you were town

It's also quite different from my read of Pink Ball who I think we were discussing at the time where in both of our s/s games he never committed to a townread on me which doesn't necessarily tell me his s/t play toward me but does suggest that his scum play toward my slot will veer toward an undeveloped scum-read

so yes, you scumreading me (with you town) does continue to go against the grain.

You're right I did miss you saying ali v Pine somehow so sorry about that. Now why is this not your overkill 2 play?

-JC

I guess I see the difference but the general idea still remains that the thoughts are similar.

As for why my play differs I honestly can't say rn beyond "more effort/wim here". Haven't read that game in a while.

-Latios

[Disaster Artists]

Also, I will pretty much always encapsulate generalized patterns of scum play as either alignment so I still really don't get why you're arguing a summary of someone's play toward me will be AI

Is this saying you are mislynch bait?

~Titus

I don't actually understand how that could be construed from that sentence

-JC

[Imperium]

My meta is pretty rusty admittedly
I just recently reread Mafiaception which is ancient (but still gold haha)
Why don't you have other SRs?
I will look at that game

SC

Were you in that game? It is one of my favorite games I ever played. Town worked together quite well, and I somehow understood my role and the mechanics well enough to use it properly.

[Imperium]

I spent a really big portion of the day just reading the game, and I am current. Unfortunately, I read it while out walking so I need to unpack my thoughts. My big plan was to do this tonight, but I have a terrible headache and am on the verge of passing out, so questions and grand thoughts will probably have to wait until tomorrow unless I don't pass out. Though i have a lecture to write tomorrow, so I'll just have to fit that in somewhere.

I feel good about disaster artists, blake and yang and cappy being town. There are other players I like and have town leans for but those three I feel quite good about. I'll go over my leans tomorrow.

[Imperium]

Spiffeh - You asked me about despair and then didn't respond to my really great in depth thoughts! Also what's your read on Searchers? If I have some time tomorrow, I'm gonna do a quick meta dive on Ircher I think to see if the things that are bugging me are just a matter of his play or if they're actually alignment indicative.

[Despair Night]

I’ve read GB’s wall (?) and needless to say, it didn’t move the needle on him at all. The only thing that’s likely to be worthy of a town read would probably be the “scum wouldn’t deny being town read / they’d be passive about it” which is still very very easy to fake, especially from a scum mindset.

~som

[Cappy]

So now that the events are over

[Cappy]

I need a pagetop

[Cappy]

To announce something really important

[Cappy]

Let's see