On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Flavortown]

There’s more to it, but that’s kind of where I’m at.

I’m never getting the money to get fully upgraded, though

[Disaster Artists]

Krazy town reads me.

~som

I don't

Btw is junk still playing?

-JC

[Disaster Artists]

There’s more to it, but that’s kind of where I’m at.

I’m never getting the money to get fully upgraded, though

Certainly not today

You don't need to worry about it this dayphase anymore so you can just play mountainous until this phase ends

-JC

[Despair Night]

Krazy town reads me.

~som

I don't

Btw is junk still playing?

-JC

Probably not, I'm soloing this. She didn't respond in discord at all.

~som

[Blake X Yang]

I actually did read Blake's wall, and I've learnt that I have a hard time following people. I apparently have an unconventional way of reading people, and not seeing that template being applied to reading Farkran, I'm inclined to call out half those points as absolute WIFOM. The timing of pushes, him doing something in order to...<cite a scum action that could just as easily be confused for a town>

I respect you as a player Blake, I will analyse Fark with deeper thought.

Any other scum reads?

~som

I have a personality read on Farkran which I believe to be correct, predominantly because of interactions outside of mafia and the confirmation that my suspicion that he would be able to read this personality more easily was proven correct.

Everything that I have posted in that wall has been tested against that specific read, and the differences from what I would expect are those I could easily see as coming from a difference in alignment. This is especially the case with the knowledge that Farkran's scumgame is not weak.

I currently don't have other scumreads, no. I've been mostly townhunting for the moment and the other slots I'm notably not townreading don't equate to a scumread at this point as of now. I don't have enough confidence in my overall read strength in this game to be able to decipher what that means with any certainty at this point, and it's unlikely I will be able to today with thirty four players to parse and only a few days left in the day phase.

-Blake

[Despair Night]

Krazy if you shoot me

[Disaster Artists]

I mean shooting you doesn't even flip junk

I kinda thought you'd get that at some point but I guess not

I guess her not playing at all does present an inconvenience

-JC

[Despair Night]

If you shoot me, you aren't going to have a nice Day 2.

I'll let you chew on what that entails. Plenty of options.

~som

[Despair Night]

I'll be back when half the playerlist starts doing something AI.

~som

[Disaster Artists]

Do you think people are taking vig shots night 1?

Like I'm baffled how much nonsensical mech you've been saying

-JC

[Despair Night]

Why not? I certainly would shoot N1 if I had a vig.

~som

[Disaster Artists]

You would use a vig shot n1 in a game with a claimed universal lightning rod?

Oooookay

-JC

[egospray]

What? Is this referring to one we've posted? I haven't made a read list in thread, only in our PT up to now, and I don't think Chemist has made one at all.

I meant between mine, and now.

-gb

[Superb Subtlety]

The event has ended (well i had results for like a couple hours now but im just announcing them now)

Last Place - Hectic who gets a penalty
3rd place - popsofctown who gets 50$
2nd place - Prism w/ Daddy Lessons who gets 75$
1st place - Taly with Fast Talk who gets 100$

Thanks anon judge that might be revealed post game!

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Town, but I'm feeling really salty that she tried to shoot me down on my alt guess and seems to favor JC over me here

-Latios

CO Blake Belladonna didn't admit it to me when I guessed her disguise right, but not surely, in the Battle of Masons and Mafia. She must think disguises can help even if someone is pretty sure.

--------------------------------------------

CO John Cena, I'm wondering why you started this battle in a disguise but recited many of your signature quotes in a way likely to reveal you. Did you plan to reveal yourself at one point, or did tactics you saw during the battle make you decide to?

Indirect combat units are accumulating on the cells three tiles away from Tag Team egospray, as shown the Superbly Subtle Technology Battle Position Visualizer. I have good intel on CO GeorgeBailey and I have been hoping to see a tactic or two that I can confidently peg as Orange Star due to the lower rank he would get if he joined Black Hole, but I haven't yet found one. So I can't nag COs about this artillery, but I also can't remember why they want to, and I wanna see more of the skinny on why he is with Black Hole.

After reviewing more logging after my catnap, I'm getting the vibe more and more that CO insomnia is Black Hole. He seems to keep saying that CO John Cena is likely Black Hole, but he fully expects CO John Cena to abide by the One Nation Convention on Ethical Warfare signed after the Dual Strike War in how he uses his Vig CO Power. But Black Hole is not a signatory to that convention. While it is possible for CO insomnia to suspect that CO John Cena is Black Hole but not be certain, he's getting very fired up and being unsure would tone down him down if he didn't have a Black Hole dossier that confirms CO John Cena is with Orange Star.

I need to speak with Hawke about our artillery position, which I would like to move towards Tag Team Despair Night, but the current position is definitely a no go so UNVOTE:


Preview technology shows Hawke has just spoken. He may be ticked I don't have my walkie talkie right now, but I will in a few hours.

Can you elaborate more on your thought process about insomnia after reading 1723? Both the quoted part from insomnia and my objection to it. I really don't think that scum!insomnia would back off from joining a town!DA wagon if that's what you are implying in this post of yours.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

1. Your initial entrances to the game across both heads gave the impression of a scum mindset rather than a town one. Your entrance to the game was strangely more cordial than what I've been used to seeing from you. I will go into Bitmap's entrance and why I believe that was scum motivated later on.

The first sentence is loaded. The second one is a terrible reason to make a push 20+ pages into the game, personality expectations do not produce a confident read - especially when false, easily verified by metadiving me - i have already told you that and you aren't even trying to check. A wrong scumread is plausible from your POV, your confidence is not, this is my problem with you right now.

2. When I called you out, your response was to take the time to set up your counterpush with shade and by taking the time to go into your other reads first. My personality read on you suggests that you would wish to challenge me outright immediately instead of the political approach that you instead used. I strongly suspect that your approach is based on increasing your own odds of winning the upcoming engagement as much as possible in order to stall the momentum rather than risking a direct confrontation immediately and coming across as defensive or starting on the back foot in this engagement.

At this point, I had already decided I would not be engaging into this, as it had a high likelihood of outright derailing the game, and the quality of the playerlist is high enough that even with this slot getting lynched day one and flipping scum, it would turn out better for the scumteam in the long run. It is far more productive to put pressure on the rest of the game in the way that I'm best able to, by methodically identifying town. I also am knowledgeable enough about how debates and general discourse works to know that when players are on opposite sides, those who decide the topic of the engagement have a distinct advantage in how it plays out.

Take the time? Are you referring to this?

Spoiler: this

OH MY GODS I'M AN IDIOT

I've been sitting here wondering why you guys were talking about the restriction as if it were a real thing and been getting frustrate with you all for just accepting that it was a real thing and whether or not he was town due to the pr and was going to tell you all to stop being lazy in the way you were reading him because you should be looking at why he would choose to use the pics and how he's using the pics and such to determine his alignment not mostly that he had it, which I could also have been reading wrong I don't know I'm not totally caught up yet, but it's total my bad and I'm dumb.

I read his PSA in post 207 where he says that he "may" post in pictures this whole day as him saying he was probably going to post in pictures this whole day instead of "may" meaning he is only able to post in pictures this whole day which just yeah I'm an idiot and I guess I can stop deliberating about how they mentioned in Undertale that he was a bit new and timid scum and whether or not that meant that he was purposely trying to use the pictures to avoid having to say things or not.

Unless I was right all along and go me, but I think I'm probably dumb. Okay carry on.

By the way i did not understand what this post means, and i'm not sure what's imperium read on hectic after this explanation.

-Farkran

Also i'm leaving bitmap in control for the US prime timezone, 1.30 am here and i'm sleeping, see ya

I am caught up.

Imperium is town. I'm familiar enough with Tammy to believe that her posting is more likely to come from town than scum.
Spiffybringer is town. Spiffeh's approach to the game doesn't look scum motivated.
Latias and Latios is town. I strongly suspect that I'd be catching on to them by now if they were scum with how much they're posting and how relevant a lot of it is.
Disaster Artists is likely town. I'm not necessarily locktowning them at this point like I feel I should be if they are town, but I don't believe that indicates scum either.
Unapologetically Foxy is likely town through my personality read on Xofelf, but I notably have only seen her play once in recent memory that I am aware of.
The Searchers is likely town. This is a gutread from SirCakez' posting.
Cappy is likely town. I don't get the impression that the hydra would be playing the way they are if they rolled scum this game.

NL, Smol Might, Flavortown, Egospray, Feminist Blocc, Equitable Androids, and Black Hole Defection are slots I'm not expressly townreading or scumreading.

Despair Night is a slight scumread.
Mikoto and Kuroko are a moderate to strong scumread.

VOTE: Mikoto and Kuroko

-Blake

If I can't engage by reading 20+ pages that boomed out of nowhere, then I'm taking a much more conversational approach to adapt, at least until I have a better handle of more than just a handful of players.

I think not looking into my push for content a second deeper is a very surface level mentality, and I'm weeding that out because it's a reason why the game is so dense. Namely, if people are more talkative, then they either provide tons of content or none at all - and it's very likely AI. That's how I sort in this situation.

-yang

p-edit

Maybe but everyone would be more excited to see your spicy hot takes without guidance

-JC

Speaker

is town, I've never encountered

Ircher

with this level of content that isn't town of him. A lot of his reads aren't the most popular at first glance, at least in my agreement with him, but he's not enforcing his will upon others, so I think he's town here. He's not aligning to a specific thought process and constructing his own.

Night Despair

felt town for reasons I've already mentioned. I don't follow the suspicion on him and I enjoyed some of their entrance posting, tbh.

You're very likely town to me because you're consistently in the thread but are finding means to sort - this is reinforced by who I think you are,

Cena

. I figured you wouldn't have such a conversational tone and sort in a scum POV because you're capable of devising very nuanced plans.

Unapologetic Foxy

actually felt town off first glance but that could be me misreading their personal vibe as AI. Through scampering the thread before it got larger earlier, I found that they townread this hydra -

and I want them to elaborate on why.

Since they supported someone who 1/2 of the hydra didn't agree with one of the first wagons of the game, I want to know what about this hydra's content is appealing.

Farkran Hydra

is harder to follow since multiple people with experience have expressed confusion in relation to their vibe - my other head

Blake

included. I like their consistent posting for content but I think they focus on details a bit much, and I'd like to become more conversational with them when it's more possible. I don't have a strong pull on this hydra either way, but I do not care for the other head saying

"guess I'll have to obvtown"

at some point, seemed defensive in nature.

I'm kind of sad

Hectic

died, I wanted to see why he felt

Farkran hydra/This hydra

was town, since both of us didn't have a clarified read on the other even after a subtle exchange.

Also, I greatly abhor people discussing post restrictions. It solves nothing. It's NAI.

Have not liked anything I've seen of

ego

, they've been present but not doing much. I disliked their associative of

Night Despair/this hydra

because I didn't feel convinced by the push there? Yeah, not stellar reasoning, but it's something. I want to communicate with my head before doing a push, ideally.

Everyone pushing

Pops

to die for winning the game feels very weird, and I want the reasoning explained.

I liked something about

Prism's

posting but I forgot.

Interesting post from Yang, whereas i remember a terrible push from blake happening several pages ahead of where i am at. These two hydra are both reasonably active (not top posters, but also definitely not lurkers) but do not seem to be privately communicating about their opinions. I have just recently played my first game in a hydra with alisae, and we've been collaborating the shit out of that game as a town slot. This hydra with bitmap is vastly different, but that's because bitmap is fairly disengaged with the game so far.

Yet, i would expect that taly/alyssa would be much more in line with their posting, and seeing these independent strikes from them is not something i'm fancying right now. Their voting pattern is also a bit weird based on progression, but i'll go about this later when i get to blake posts.

-Farkran

On to stronger reads:

707+781 from despair were good. I think very few slots have actually realized that my initial read on egospray and the question to despair was aimed to get out from RVS rather than pushing something consistent. We were, like, page 6 when that happened? I prodded two slots to deliver content, and gave everyone else something to analyze.

A lot of people focused on that exchange as if it was a push that scum would make - which only makes sense from slots who want to join the 1v1 to sort me and also giving more content for other people to analyze. I liked those, and i also liked the slots who picked the RT up and tried to analyze it from a distance. Imperium's 705+711+777 is nitpicking on details but i can see them trying to identify how town!Farkran works as opposed to undertalescum!Fark. I feel like they are pausing to assess if i am actually trying to bullshit push my way or not in this game, and that's a proper approach to my introductory posts.

I disliked slots who are ignoring the current gamestate and are not proactively trying to improve it. I feel like scum would find lurking an efficient strategy in this game, and that's why i am not fond of NL and egospray himself yet.

Other slots, such as blake/yang, have used that exchange to make a push on me way later into the game, without pausing to analyze my intent when i posted that. Another element that points at blake/yang being scum is the dissonance in yang's readlists vs their analysis on my slot. They have a dislike of egospray (which i am voting), yet they never proactively examined the slot and went with voting me instead. This might be NAI for egospray but it's definitely AI for blake/yang. Post 670 was terrible in this context, basically entirely made of consensus townreads, nullreads on plausible scum and scumreads on town. 775 and 780 are simply shooting the shit because that's nowhere near a solid hold to make a push on my slot so far. I think they would have reason to remove me if they are scum, definitely not if they are town.

VOTE: Blake and Yang i feel like i have identified a scum motivated push.

Willing to listen more about egospray, i don't see these two slots as disaligned.

-Farkran

I have answered your vote within 5 posts of my catchup. Look at the times: 799 is 5.17am (bitmap time as he created this account), 818 is 7.30am. From post 802 to 811 there is 1 hour of delay. Convert the times to CET and you will notice that the period in-between is lunchtime.

As for the other part, you do not stall the momentum on your own, or your opponent's wagon by instantly becoming the center of attention, or in my case even moreso, when you have a single vote on yourself. There was no momentum in the first place, and i identified a bad push, of course i want to win the argument. Actually i could use some Prism insight about this.

@Prism, can you give me an elaborated and updated opinion on my 1v1 with blake after this post?

3. When I stopped engaging into you, you became more aggressive in your attacks, but only at specific times. Notably, you started pushing me for not proactively pushing for my nullreads to give better content, not analyzing your process when you have no evidence that I am not already doing so, and for not focusing on my scumreads rather than townreads when I do engage into the game more completely. You have gone on record in your initial counterattack that you believe I am scum for my townreads being consensus townreads as well as my scumreads being your townreads while my nullreads are your scumreads. This is not an approach to sort my slot, which you are claiming to do. This is looking to poke holes in my play to weaken my position as much as you are able, likely to weaken my influence since there are several slots that have already properly identified that I am town. Notably, you have been shifting your approach towards this while also challenging people on their townreads of me. You aren't trying to get a scumread lynched. This is very notably different than your play in Korina is a Cultist, where even with the amount of resistance you got towards lynching me, you still stubbornly pressed on regardless because it was a genuine read.

Of course i started attacking you when i noticed i was your only scumread. If you look carefully, my progression on you is "idk i want more content from you" > "you're scum for a terrible push" > "maybe she is wrong town rather than scum" > "but then again there's literally no trace of doubt in her read which is not what town would think". Notably, i have never attacked any of the slots who townread you, except Disaster Artists, because i think he's scum independently of you - the fact that you make sense as his partner is a reinforcement, not a basis for my theory. This tells us a lot about the attention you've put into your read of me, because i have never once attacked imperium, for instance, although i have asked people why they would find you towny to see if there was anything i missed because i was biased against your slot for voting me.

Honestly, this is the deepest tunnel i have seen you enter both in our games together and in the ISOs i read from you, and i have never seen you react to a push in the way you are doing here. Aside from the fact that in Korina is a Cultist i was not town, you have been one of the most popular lynch targets and your reaction was reading the other slots and offering competent analysis on their behavior, not assault a single target while ignoring everyone else in the process or brushing them off as "evidently town" the same as you did with DA - for no reason at all, except agreement bias on your side.

4. Bitmap's posting is not town. He has played just like he had in Titus v Alisae, most notably that he understands he needs to do specific things, but doesn't actually do them. He has done remarkably little in the game, mentioned early on that he needs to obvtown in this game, and then continues doing next to nothing outside of a single wallpost. He similarly played halfheartedly in Titus v Alisae, to the point where when one of the scumteam's ideas for how to handle the game was to neutralize me with a neighborhood, I got remarkably little within it until it was made clear that I had another neighborhood with a player I trusted more than him. At that point, he became frantic and tried to desperately save himself to no avail. I get a similar impression that he is halfheartedly playing the game, knowing he needs to make his alignment obvious but making no strong strides to make it so.

This is backwards - i do not believe for a single second that you scumread both of us for independent reasons. Regardless of the fact that you are wrong twice, you are creating reasons to scumread us rather than finding them in the game content. Based on your wording priority, i think you have been looking for plausible reasons to make a push on me, and then twist bitmap posts with the purpose of making them sound like scumsided, when realistically there's nothing scummy in, like, the 6 posts bitmap has made in our ISO?

5. I saw an opportunity to sort you once and for all after that selfsame engagement that gave me strong townreads. You started to go down the path that I initially did, scumreading John Cena for the same reasons I started to. However, you missed something absolutely critical that I was steering you towards. I know Krazy very well, and I know Insomnia well enough to understand how a 1v1 between them would go. Krazy is also aware of this and why it's a bad idea. It's simply a much better idea, if he believes that insomnia is legitimately scum, to kill him at night to drastically reduce his influence while saving the lynch today for more productive means. This is the unique utility of the vigilante role in this game. You can remove people from the game without removing their voice, so the vigilante role is much more useful as a tool to manipulate the game rather than getting flips. It suddenly is not inherently a bad idea to shoot somebody you know is town that is disrupting the game, because you don't simply remove their voice entirely as much as remove their direct influence on the game in a favor of indirect influence. You callously ignored that in favor of a scum lynch always being the better option regardless of who it is, which is a naive point of view in general, but it especially is in this game where roles serve different functions than they would normally serve. I was prepared to sort you based on how you progressed past this initial stage, since this alone is insufficient due to your insistence that I go into my read on you throughout the game and the fact that this is ground I had already treaded beforehand. Sadly, the way you went back to this ideal indicates that this correlation can't at all be ruled out, so I can't call this progression town even though on the surface it is valid. It notably is an easy thing to push as well since John Cena's part in that engagement was not popular.

I do not plan to engage you on this further. Cease the attempts.

-Blake

I strongly doubt that town!insomnia would be a night kill in this gamestate and in this playerlist. Despair Night has been the highest wagon for a while, very few people are listening to them - how is this a good night kill, even assuming that she's correct in her reads? I do not know krazy, but i do know his ISO and scumhunt were bad, and on the topic of his 1v1 with insomnia i strongly doubt anyone would react different than 1723. Also, the "unique" utility of the vigilante can be bought at the shop for 100$, i expect half of the playerlist shooting at random tonight, which is also why i have been asking

Imperium

how does his ability work against that, yet he is still not answering me after poking him thrice.

-Farkran

[Blake X Yang]

Oh dear.

-Blake

[Despair Night]

Egospray.

Is he scum or not? That's all I want to hear.

I'm not extending my focus beyond more than...5 slots today.

~som

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Egospray.

Is he scum or not? That's all I want to hear.

I'm not extending my focus beyond more than...5 slots today.

~som

Probably. I still think DA is a better flip. I can compromise on egospray to gain info, he's not a bad lynch with reasonable chances to hit scum.

-Farkran

[Blake X Yang]

I can compromise on egospray.

-Blake

[egospray]

:/ If you guys wont go with Searchers, then what about Smol might?

All but the last post was what was pinging me scum chemist, specifically the one about the scum game improving.

Pinged me the same as when he wolfed against me a few times in tos, the last post being what made me hesitate until i caught up fully and saw his random vote on me

His reason for Scumreading Latios doesn't really make sense. He's scumreading Latias because of how they play in ToS?

-gb

-gb

[Despair Night]

You're honestly saying you don't understand meta reads?

~som

[Blake X Yang]

oh shit I'm here

I contributed... not in posts last night but by preventing scum from getting that big cash prize lul

I don't have the sanity to deal with

Fark

at the moment, I think my life in this game will consist around how close I am to keeping mental stability when interacting with him? So, that's OK I guess.

also, I still think

Despair

is likelier town. I wish I had a stronger opinion of

Cena

at this point... are you the only head that signs? Is this a strict rule to differentiate your heads?

TR
Mikoto and Kuroko (Bitmap and Farkran)
TL
Cappy (Hectic and Pink Ball)
Imperium (Nachomamma8 and Tammy)
Disaster Artists (John Cena and DeathRowKitty)
Equitable Androids (Gobbledygook and Titus)
Null
Black Hole Defection (popsofctown and Prism)
Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf)
Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka)
Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly)
Despair Night (JunkoChan and insomnia)
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR)
Flavortown (Dr Easy Bake and Flavor Leaf)
Null
Smol Might (Eragon and Shadowlesscloud)
Latias and Latios (Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald)
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer)
SL
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher)
SR

Why are our reads so backwards if we're the same alignment?

p-edit

Why is it odd to scumread Latias/Chem off meta in ToS?

-yang

[egospray]

You're honestly saying you don't understand meta reads?

Completely different game, completely different format. It shouldn't qualify as a meta read.

-gb

[Despair Night]

We aren't arguing whether or not it should qualify, it still is a meta read to me. What do you think it is, if not a meta read?

~som