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[clidd]

After killing Maduisha, in the lylo scenario, who do you think would be easier to push ? clidd or skitter ?

[Datisi]

i'd guess skitter. though i'd probably hope someone else votes wrong first.

[Karnage]

@Karnage I would like to ask for a 24 hour extension on our deadline.

If skitter30 has not returned from V/LA when the countdown hits 2 days I will pause the clock otherwise no extension will be granted.

[clidd]

@Karnage I would like to ask for a 24 hour extension on our deadline.

If skitter30 has not returned from V/LA when the countdown hits 2 days I will pause the clock otherwise no extension will be granted.

Ok, thanks.

[clidd]

i'd guess skitter. though i'd probably hope someone else votes wrong first.

Hum. Yes, it makes sense.

[clidd]

Except, of course, for Skitter being a player who is consistent in the endgame.

Then we have the situation: dealing with wallposts (clidd) or dealing with consistency (skitter). In both situations, there would be significant discomfort.

With this in mind, what would you do to avoid a lylo between Skitter and Clidd ? (as word)

[clidd]

''Not killing maduisha''

was what you thought, correct ?

[Datisi]

There would be significant discomfort yes, but that doesn't mean that the other options are *better*. Killing anyone else brings Madu to lylo who probably nobody is voting for.

Obviously town!me would the best person overall to bring to lylo, but i do not think that is going to happen anyway.

pedit: not exactly, no.

[clidd]

Expanding a little further:

Killing skitter

--> [Maduisha/Clidd]

lylo

Killing clidd

--> [Maduisha/Skitter]

lylo

Things get worse, as Maduisha is basically a universal TR, so she is not a push option. Having her in both lylo scenarios is incredibly disadvantageous, so it is common sense to eliminate her

(as you said)

.

''

Obviously town!me would the best person overall to bring to lylo, but i do not think that is going to happen anyway.

''

- Datisi

I was kind of hoping you would mention that at some point. What do you think differentiates your slot from Skitter and Clidd if it goes to lylo ?

[Datisi]

skitter can only be scum if done a hardbus, plus her argumentative power is stronger than mine. clidd is more townread. also neither of them threw tantrums this game. i can see that i would be an easy push.

[clidd]

So we can assume that you going to lylo is a handicap for town alignment, correct ?

If so, wouldn't it be wise to work with you to define a lynch after your flip ?

Considering the scenario in which you are not lynched and a misslynch occurs today, regardless of your alignment, you would receive a push tomorrow and risk the stability of the lylo. As Town!Datisi, this would create a significantly large window for a misslynch (easy push).

[Datisi]

Have you missed the part where I have accepted my death and said I'll self-hammer?

Also why do you want to define a lynch for after I flip. You said before, you most likely won't care.

[clidd]

I know, don't worry.

I was not inclined to let you influence my personal reads initially, but I believe that your view of this game is in third-person, as you are not tied to any line of reasoning, considering that the 4 options, as you said earlier, are available for speculation in your pov, therefore, there is a certain value in listening to what you have to say.

And it is not

"defining"

the correct word, I expressed myself badly. I would like you to suggest an option that will be studied and evaluated under the circumstances that we will encounter tomorrow.

[clidd]

Assuming there will be a tomorrow, of course.

[Datisi]

NiCe ScUmSlIp ThErE cLiDd

in all seriousness, if i knew who i wanted to hang, I'd be voting there. but i don't. i don't understand this game. marashu was bussed, that much is clear. but by who and to what degree, i don't know. and i don't think i'm willing to bet the game on any 4 of you being scum right now. i had been taking notes, i went though them earlier, and i saw mentioned both skit/clidd as potential bussers, but word was mentioned as a possible partner separately. but at this point i'm not even 100% on madu being town because i don't. understand. this. game.

[clidd]

I would say that Maduisha is a safe townread. Especially since Menalque / Skitter read her slot as town.

Skitter is someone I have a hard time seeing running such an intense buss, but I also don't rule out the hypothesis.

Word was accused by Marashu before he was lynched, so it is strange to imagine why Marashu would try to attract attention to Scum!Word.

There are inconsistencies with everyone outside Scum!Maduisha, so it is important to clarify the impact that your flip will have on the game information.

[Datisi]

Word was accused by Marashu before he was lynched, so it is strange to imagine why Marashu would try to attract attention to Scum!Word.

Why exactly is that strange. It was blatantly obvious that nobody was taking *anything* Marashu was saying particularly seriously.

Besides, ctrl+F searching "word" in Mara's ISO, word is barely mentioned, however whenever word was mentioned during Day 1, it was either in passing (a neutral interaction) or to grant word a Townread. Only on Day 2 did Mara actually start pushing word. I'm not gonna call this damning on word, because it's probably not, but I really don't think that should be grounds for discarding those two as s/s.

[clidd]

Perhaps. I am still evaluating how to interpret the Marashu posts that directly accused Word.

The progression of Marashu on word is basically:

963, 1068 ->

Weak TL.

1264 ->

Word goes to his lynch pool.

1366 ->

Word is SL.

1411 ->

Word did a scumslip.

1591 ->

Word is SR.

1680 ->

Word is Lock-scum.

My conclusion is that his FoS has progressively worsened, becoming a death tunnel. The purpose, however, is something I have yet to speculate on. The possible motivation, in my opinion, probably came from the fact that he needed some push, to at least look like he was doing something in the game. It would be interesting to see Word's perspective from this angle.

[Datisi]

One thing that puzzles me about Marashu is that he stopped pushing skitter on the grounds of thinking she was the second Mason. But if anyone had even reread skitter's Day 1 ISO, it would've been painfully obvious she wasn't TRQ's Mason partner. So why? Just what was the point?

[word321]

I'm here btw

[word321]

Currently writing on the development of the day, but I can answer questions oc

[skitter30]

Ill be here in a few hours, apologies for my absence

[word321]

Talking about NKs, and the way ur talking with datisis feels more like u r playing with speculation than rly searching for answers (since even talking about NKs only adds fuel for the wifoms). I would say that it would be more informative at this point to search the past instead of trying to predict the future, but that became somewhat (but not completely) unnecessary with recent posts. But since u r talking about me, I may as well give my opinion on the matter:

I dnt think that in this particular scenario the number of suspects in Lylo would matter that much; instead, I think rn we r in a scenario in wich a direct suspect and a capacity of pushing that particular suspect is preferable. In that sense, I dnt rly see mad or skitter being lynched over me or clidd; now, I will "open my hand" in the next post about my particular vision of the game in that sense, but as for the NK rn (wich in my scenario, clidd scum, would be similar to word scum, so u may as well take it), since in this case the bigger necessity is pushing the selected suspect, independence of reads may be a liability; in that case, skitter would be a better lynch overall, since being a veteran player means less capacity to direct as scum the vote. Although in this scenario mad may be lynched either way, for wifom or for playing with expectancies (A light suspect, this may be wrong though).
Next post on vision of tomorrow.

[clidd]

Talking about NKs, and the way ur talking with datisis feels more like u r playing with speculation than rly searching for answers (since even talking about NKs only adds fuel for the wifoms). I would say that it would be more informative at this point to search the past instead of trying to predict the future, but that became somewhat (but not completely) unnecessary with recent posts. But since u r talking about me, I may as well give my opinion on the matter:

I dnt think that in this particular scenario the number of suspects in Lylo would matter that much; instead, I think rn we r in a scenario in wich a direct suspect and a capacity of pushing that particular suspect is preferable. In that sense, I dnt rly see mad or skitter being lynched over me or clidd; now, I will "open my hand" in the next post about my particular vision of the game in that sense, but as for the NK rn (wich in my scenario, clidd scum, would be similar to word scum, so u may as well take it), since in this case the bigger necessity is pushing the selected suspect, independence of reads may be a liability; in that case, skitter would be a better lynch overall, since being a veteran player means less capacity to direct as scum the vote. Although in this scenario mad may be lynched either way, for wifom or for playing with expectancies (A light suspect, this may be wrong though).
Next post on vision of tomorrow.

Can you be clearer in your text ? I couldn't fully understand it.

If possible, tell me who are the current suspects in your personal PoE.

[clidd]

One thing that puzzles me about Marashu is that he stopped pushing skitter on the grounds of thinking she was the second Mason. But if anyone had even reread skitter's Day 1 ISO, it would've been painfully obvious she wasn't TRQ's Mason partner. So why? Just what was the point?

That part went unnoticed, I'll take a look.