On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Sigh

I still think the latiguys are town, there's no reason for them to vote me when i was hardtownreading them the whole time. Unless they are exactly scum with all the other top wagons, and i don't believe this is the case, scum!latiguys have no reason to remove me.

-Farkran

[Black Hole Defection]

For now I'll say I've read this ISO 3x-once earlier today before Searchers-and have come away determined to get a read on them but have been unable to do so. Pops is adamant that letting them do the heavylifting sorting/watching them get nightkilled is the best way to sort this slot. I don't have the meta they do but I disagree: #1654 coming from scum is almost exactly the move I would make (minus Latios/Latias bit) and not nailing down this slot is incredibly dangerous.

Taly appears to be the more readable of the two; his interactions with you seemed to be very self-righteous and more concerned with proving you wrong and shaming you for it than trying to empathize with your thinking. This often comes from town, and seeing how deep his respect is for Blake seems to reinforce this.

For Blake's end it is difficult for me to sit here and not disparage the style. I think making yourself and your reads as accessible as possible is important. I will have questions to ask Blake in the morning (I appreciated the wall re: MK but need to go back and read Farkran), but in the meantime I'm curious if she has any for me.

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Thinking about what DA said, i also don't think he is scum anymore. Probably blake isn't either.

-Farkran

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Thanks anyways prism. I am very disappointed that the slots scumreading me, barring krazy, are people that know me well. I guess bopping them on their knowledge of me built some bias on my side.

-Farkran

[Blake X Yang]

For now I'll say I've read this ISO 3x-once earlier today before Searchers-and have come away determined to get a read on them but have been unable to do so. Pops is adamant that letting them do the heavylifting sorting/watching them get nightkilled is the best way to sort this slot. I don't have the meta they do but I disagree: #1654 coming from scum is almost exactly the move I would make (minus Latios/Latias bit) and not nailing down this slot is incredibly dangerous.

Taly appears to be the more readable of the two; his interactions with you seemed to be very self-righteous and more concerned with proving you wrong and shaming you for it than trying to empathize with your thinking. This often comes from town, and seeing how deep his respect is for Blake seems to reinforce this.

For Blake's end it is difficult for me to sit here and not disparage the style. I think making yourself and your reads as accessible as possible is important. I will have questions to ask Blake in the morning (I appreciated the wall re: MK but need to go back and read Farkran), but in the meantime I'm curious if she has any for me.

Not particularly, no.

The only thing I would be all that interested in is what you think about that big engagement that happened between John Cena, Insomnia, your hydra partner, Latios, Pink Ball, and myself. That stage of the game held the most relevance for multiple people's alignments for me.

-Blake

[Black Hole Defection]

#2201 is straight up missing several words/phrases. Whatever.

P-Edit: Uhhhhhh re: Farkran, that's pretty concerning my dude, but I'll deal with reading you again in the morning.

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

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P-Edit: Uhhhhhh re: Farkran, that's pretty concerning my dude, but I'll deal with reading you again in the morning.

What do you mean?
-Farkran

[Black Hole Defection]

The only thing I would be all that interested in is what you think about that big engagement that happened between John Cena, Insomnia, your hydra partner, Latios, Pink Ball, and myself. That stage of the game held the most relevance for multiple people's alignments for me.

I came out of it thinking JC is a scumlean, Insomnia pretty null, Latios more town. The last is a very different Gamma than I've seen circa 2017, and I felt his reaction to you (not treating him as an equal) was genuine but you might disagree. Pink Ball/JC I didn't go as indepth on. I have spent a lot of time thinking about your reaction to it to little avail. The fact that something is what I would do as scum does not mean you didn't do it as town.

[Blake X Yang]

I think making yourself and your reads as accessible as possible is important.

I have played on this site semi-consistently for close to a decade at this point. It has become increasingly clear over the years that the more open I am with my thoughts, the more likely it is that my views on the game end up incorrect. This is a pattern that has been proven true in a large amount of games, and my suspicion is that it is related to how the scumteam in most games approaches handling specific playerlists. The less information they have early on, the longer it takes for them to gain an advantageous foothold. This generally increases the amount of alignment indicative moments in the game compared to the noise.

Considering that the noise ratio has steadily increased over the past several years, this makes a rather sizable difference.

There's also the point that most of my reads are, to a large extent, intuitive. It's harder to explain them than you would think.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

The only thing I would be all that interested in is what you think about that big engagement that happened between John Cena, Insomnia, your hydra partner, Latios, Pink Ball, and myself. That stage of the game held the most relevance for multiple people's alignments for me.

I came out of it thinking JC is a scumlean, Insomnia pretty null, Latios more town. The last is a very different Gamma than I've seen circa 2017, and I felt his reaction to you (not treating him as an equal) was genuine but you might disagree. Pink Ball/JC I didn't go as indepth on. I have spent a lot of time thinking about your reaction to it to little avail. The fact that something is what I would do as scum does not mean you didn't do it as town.

I don't doubt that Gamma Emerald's response to me was genuine. Where I disagree is whether it is alignment indicative or not. I strongly believe it is not.

-Blake

[Black Hole Defection]

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P-Edit: Uhhhhhh re: Farkran, that's pretty concerning my dude, but I'll deal with reading you again in the morning.

What do you mean?
-Farkran

Everyone who knows you scumreading you, you being open about it is probably the natural reaction. You've been the type to make some pretty silly mistakes no offense but I don't think this is one.

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

No offense taken, of course i make mistakes. The only slot i can be almost certain about being town is the latiguys.
DA wall about me and his explanation around blake does not usually come from scum though. That's pretty much clearly tunneled town.
Blake can pull this as scum and has a motive to do so, but i'm not going anywhere if everyone and their dog is townreading her slot, and i'm not particularly convinced she is scum - just that she has the potential and a motive to remove me if she is. And i don't scumread taly, but i don't know the tucan well enough besides some smallchat on discord.

Now however i have a problem on who else is scum.

-Farkran

[Black Hole Defection]

I'll actually end on a note of appreciation post as well even though the site is also telling me to go to bed by lagging to hell.

The amount of patience pops has had in dealing with me is absolutely insane. Hours and hours of me tearing into the most offhanded comments/reads, sometimes very gently but often less so. Not getting frustrated with me when I'm blunt and don't take the time to soften my approach. Asking me to read a person she's interested in when I'm finished with what I'm doing, only to have me reply that I'm still reading the same ISO two hours later. Stubbornly insisting that we not vote who she wants despite having no read on entire slots and very few suggestions of my own. Spending so much time running the same circles because I'm a relentless obsessive who doesn't know when to quit or move on. I think most players would have gone insane twice over.

Oh, and she can dish it when she wants to, too.

[Blake X Yang]

What is my motive for attacking you?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

To be clear, there is exactly one person on the entire site that I would expect to be able to read me correctly in every game, especially at this point in time. They are also in this game.

To my knowledge, very few to no other players have provably shown they can differentiate my towngame from my scumgame accurately to a high level.

-Blake

[Black Hole Defection]

To be clear, there is exactly one person on the entire site that I would expect to be able to read me correctly in every game, especially at this point in time. They are also in this game.

To my knowledge, very few to no other players have provably shown they can differentiate my towngame from my scumgame accurately to a high level.

-Blake

How does recording this aid Orange Star?

[Blake X Yang]

To be clear, there is exactly one person on the entire site that I would expect to be able to read me correctly in every game, especially at this point in time. They are also in this game.

To my knowledge, very few to no other players have provably shown they can differentiate my towngame from my scumgame accurately to a high level.

-Blake

How does recording this aid Orange Star?

This is directly relevant to my question directly before it.

-Blake

[Black Hole Defection]

I wasn't sure who "you" was, which might be why it seemed separate.

[Black Hole Defection]

I figured it out, never mind.

[Blake X Yang]

Where do your thoughts lie currently, CO popsofctown?

-Blake

[Black Hole Defection]

[egospray]

If this is serious you have a major problem with reading comprehension

I'm pretty sure Bug was joking lmao, calm down.

-gb

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

What is my motive for attacking you?

-Blake

I guess this was directed at me then?

I clearly cannot read your ankamius/alyssa personality, but i made a good job reading blake when you tested me for it. 2 correct results with a 50% EV don't make a valid statistic sample, but it's there.

You, on the other hand, have always made a good job reading me in the games we played together. It's weird for me to believe that your only scumread, on a player you know reasonably well, is so wrong and based on a terrible push such as "my expectations for you weren't met, so you must be scum and i'm ready to end the day on it". You also respect me as a player, based on your comments about my playstyle in the past (my current Farkran signature is a quote of yours). This is a very valid reason to fear me in this game, but the playerlist is also pretty loaded and i wouldn't be so presumptuous as to think i would be the ONLY player you fear. You could think that i am one of the easiest to mislynch, though - my playstyle irks people and i wouldn't be surprised if you are trying to exploit that. I would be much more surprised to find that you are truly disappointed in my play here and decided to scumread me for it rather than explore elsewhere, and we're going to talk again if you flip town.

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The aforementioned games are what i have been tested for while chatting in discord with Alyssa. Post #760 in the second game shows that scum!blake can townhunt and tunnel on a specific town player. This is for you @DA.

That being said, this game is vastly different than either of those and i have no reason to expect Blake has read ALL my meta as opposed to the only two games we played together (Large Theme TM and anarchist thing, both in my wiki for reference). The large TM is indicative of my town meta, but i only lasted 3 irl days. The anarchist thing, i wasn't even town.

-Farkran

[Black Hole Defection]

Hawke believes many COs are Orange Star and it makes it tough for us to find a path forward. Hawke doesn't think barraging Tag Team Smol Might advances the gamestate but I think it does so plenty. I think Tag Team Searchers has black tank parts in the rubble often enough that that'd be a good place to go as well, I give a nod to the idea that Ircher has played in a way that resembles Orange Star and even perhaps captured Orange Star a city or two, but holistically it seems like CO SirCakez tends to run interference to that and I'm concerned CO Ircher is fighting for Black Hole well and SirCakez is doing so poorly. It doesn't do much to expand on this when Hawke feels so strongly, or induce further movements from CO SirCakez with artillery positioning.
In a game with special Turn Limits, removing an inactive CO would be pretty defensible with so much Orange Star behavior amongst active COs, but it is very difficult to clearly identify a worst camper, which increases the risk Black Hole Army proper has a good hand in selection. In a way, I think how Tag Team Smol Might barely moved enough units to be considered active, but has not done so since and used Black Hole formations when active, even if not signature ones, amongst his moves is a differentiator, but Hawke disagrees and a hivemind towards a certain beacon would be important to targeting an inactive accurately.

[Black Hole Defection]

CO Farkran when are you going to stop attacking Blake.

There are three other Black Hole COs if she is Black Hole.

Do you think you are developing Orange Star's positions?

Do you think you are preparing a nice battery of missile silos aimed at her head, ready for us to fire at her unanimously later in the game, even you are removed by a Shop Vig CO Power that came from either Orange Star or Black Hole?

If you are Orange Star, you are actively compromising battle readiness with your choice of how you use battlefield space. I wondered continuously while observing the Battle of Undertale S Open whether you managed the spotlight in a way that helps Black Hole or Orange Star only when you are Black Hole, because that was how that game's battlefield became like the mountains for Black Hole and like the shoals for Orange Star. I felt guilty for suspecting it happens when you are Orange Star.
I still don't know the answer, until I see your colors, but you're fitting a bad pattern, and excitement about a certain topic seems part of your nature, but I have to worry about it being a tool.
I think you and Blake have at most one Black Hole CO among you, and more likely Blake than you, especially if I keep my ego like my hair. But the first day's attack being the -shiniest- neotank is worth no points at the end of the game. I believe when I was judging CO Blake Belladonna herself for a battlefield commendation, I saw her have to wait several days to destroy a CO she had identified long ago, without the support. She didn't powerbomb all of day one and cloud the air with smoke, and later she won.

You need to start reading logs from CO Blake Belladonna or CO Taly that are not direct questions and decide, "I won't respond to that right now".