On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

I'm trying to have blake dish out content. I asked her at least 3 times to produce content about other people. I have been talking to other people to help me sort Blake, because honestly i have no clear read on them. I only have her bopped on her knowledge of me, and my disappointment in seeing that she is unwilling to expand her scumpool in a way that only makes sense if she is scum, but i'd say this kind of reasoning is correct less than 50% of the times. Anyways, pops, being in the spotlight is part of my playstyle and analyzing pushes against me is a major tool for sorting people.

That being said, i have been reading spiffy and he brought up a point that is probably interesting about the Feminist Bloc slot. To be fair, i am also starting to think that the most vocal players, or at least the majority of them, are town.

-Farkran

[Blake X Yang]

What is my motive for attacking you?

-Blake

I guess this was directed at me then?

I clearly cannot read your ankamius/alyssa personality, but i made a good job reading blake when you tested me for it. 2 correct results with a 50% EV don't make a valid statistic sample, but it's there.

You, on the other hand, have always made a good job reading me in the games we played together. It's weird for me to believe that your only scumread, on a player you know reasonably well, is so wrong and based on a terrible push such as "my expectations for you weren't met, so you must be scum and i'm ready to end the day on it". You also respect me as a player, based on your comments about my playstyle in the past (my current Farkran signature is a quote of yours). This is a very valid reason to fear me in this game, but the playerlist is also pretty loaded and i wouldn't be so presumptuous as to think i would be the ONLY player you fear. You could think that i am one of the easiest to mislynch, though - my playstyle irks people and i wouldn't be surprised if you are trying to exploit that. I would be much more surprised to find that you are truly disappointed in my play here and decided to scumread me for it rather than explore elsewhere, and we're going to talk again if you flip town.

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The aforementioned games are what i have been tested for while chatting in discord with Alyssa. Post #760 in the second game shows that scum!blake can townhunt and tunnel on a specific town player. This is for you @DA.

That being said, this game is vastly different than either of those and i have no reason to expect Blake has read ALL my meta as opposed to the only two games we played together (Large Theme TM and anarchist thing, both in my wiki for reference). The large TM is indicative of my town meta, but i only lasted 3 irl days. The anarchist thing, i wasn't even town.

-Farkran

In both of the games we have played before this, your alignment was clear to me very early on because of how you were presenting your reads.

In Team Mafia 2020 Large, your grievances with my play were borne of ignorance of how I play the game, and it was done in a way that I can easily see a town thought process reaching. The way you were explaining your reads were from a similar vein, since the pressure points you were applying onto the game were perfectly congruent with your thought processes. Even with an idea that your scumgame likely is not weak, and at that stage I had no knowledge of your scumgame outside of a small sample of a game I had previously skimmed idly, I could tell that this level of congruence is very hard to fake and that the effort required to reach this combined with the relatively low level of potential payoff is pretty significant evidence that it's unlikely to be a mafia thought process regardless.

In Korina is a Cultist, you are correct that your alignment wasn't town. However, I went into that game distinguishing the Anarchist as no different than town, since the Anarchist has every reason to want to find the cultist's identities and to be town. You channeled this well enough that it was pretty clear that even though your scumread on me was rather weak and stretchy, it wasn't coming from a need to get a particular mislynch or to survive the day. The fact that you kept along the same vector without wavering was strongly town indicative.

This game is different. I have enough of a read into your personality to understand that you would find playing scum in a game like this a challenge to throw everything into, so it's very unlikely that raw effort is going to be indicative of town. I found your initial entrance strange, as I had no recollection of you ever greeting people the way you did, and it gave me the impression that you were attempting to get on people's good side immediately. Political play over solving play. I pushed this as a toneread to get an idea of how you would respond, since a lot of scum with little experience struggle to transition from a more jovial friendly tone to a serious one at the start of a game. Your response here was also strange compared to my previous experience, as you took the time to shade my attack specifically in a previous post before directly addressing it. You doing this combined with the amount of work you went into going into your weaker reads first, which I also found strange independently as I have seen you mostly go into your stronger reads early on, only strengthened my read that you are playing politically in this game.

This is where the majority of my strong scumread on you came from.

I decided around this point that attempting to lynch you today was unlikely to be worth it, and that putting pressure on your team as a whole by looking to identify as many town as possible was a better strategy to potentially force the scumteam to make a move later on down the line. A secondary reason was to find a compromise vote that is likely to hold one of your partners. The constant attempts to drag me back to the topic of my scumread on you struck me as an attempt to drive me away from this goal, as I strongly suspect that you understand that one of, if not the biggest strengths of your play is that you can handle most people in a direct fight. I can tell this without having personally experienced it of your scumgame beforehand. It strongly doesn't help that when I do engage with you, you have shown them to be bad faith engagements. Just two examples I can think of on the top of my head is:

First, accusing me of tunneling you when my only mentions of you within dozens of pages was directly responding to you.
Second, downplaying my read on Bitmap by saying that you do not believe that my read on both players within your slot are different, despite me explaining exactly why I was scumreading the Bitmap half of your slot.

I've seen you make these arguments of backwards logic and similar things as your entire argument against entire points, and you've made a point of directly addressing people without giving me the impression that your read on the game has been changing with these engagements. I don't see an underlying thought process with how you're handling pressure, and I strongly believe that you are much better than to simply dismiss things from players for having different reads than you.

I'm scumreading your entire approach to the game and how it's manifesting in your posts. It is not directly because of disappointment that I am scumreading you, although I will say that in the case that you are town, I am disappointed at how you have been handling pressure throughout the game.

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

I'm trying to have blake dish out content. I asked her at least 3 times to produce content about other people. I have been talking to other people to help me sort Blake, because honestly i have no clear read on them. I only have her bopped on her knowledge of me, and my disappointment in seeing that she is unwilling to expand her scumpool in a way that only makes sense if she is scum, but i'd say this kind of reasoning is correct less than 50% of the times. Anyways, pops, being in the spotlight is part of my playstyle and analyzing pushes against me is a major tool for sorting people.

That being said, i have been reading spiffy and he brought up a point that is probably interesting about the Feminist Bloc slot. To be fair, i am also starting to think that the most vocal players, or at least the majority of them, are town.

-Farkran

I find this to be bullshit.

I've strongly pushed for having townreads over scumreads in both games you've played with me, and it's been a staple in almost every single game I have played in the last year.

The games where I have multiple strong scumreads are likely games where I can get a grasp on what's happening in a macro sense very early on. It's rare that I have multiple scumreads before that point, and it generally means that I'm going to struggle in a game where I do.

-Blake

[insomnia]

I declare this a TvT argument.

[Despair Night]

I declare this a TvT argument.

[Blake X Yang]

Thank you for the input, insomnia.

-Blake

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

So, i have been reading Spiffy ISO because i wanted to reassess that slot - i think they COULD be scum based on wagonomics but what struck me was post 1371. Nothing in particular to be suspicious about, but i decided to take a look at minigames attendance to see if it could provide any useful hint.

Spoiler: minigames player lists

here is the playerlist for the first event!
Tammy
Chemist1422
Shadowlesscloud

Datisi

Gamma Emerald
Gobbledygook
Prism
Insomnia

Check your PMs shortly!

Here's our playerlist!
popsofctown
Hectic
Tammy
Pine
Prism
Spiffeh
Chemist1422
Flavor Leaf

Okay that's filled (sorry Hectic)
Insomnia
Ausuka

Datisi

Xofelf
John Cena
Chemist1422
Pink Ball
Titus

PMs soonish

John Cena
popsofctown
Pink Ball
DRK
Gamma Emerald
Prism

Datisi

John Cena
popsofctown
Pink Ball
DRK
Gamma Emerald
Prism

Datisi

Hectic

I will set the event up!
Check ur pms!

Okay that's full

Datisi

Gamma Emerald
Pine
ShadowlessCloud
Taly
Insomnia
GeorgeBailey
Hectic

Check your PMs soon

John Cena
Prism
DeathRowKitty
Hectic
Pops
Gamma Emerald

check ur pms, we'll be live momentarly

Okay that's filled

SirCakez

Datisi

GeorgeBailey
ShadowlessCloud
Insomnia
Alyssa The Lamb

datisi
popsofctown
john cena
prism
Ircher
Taly
sircakez
Hectic

check pms we'll be starting soon!

Datisi (Feminist Bloc) has been participating in all events except two, which is fairly indicative of him paying attention to this game in spite of a 27 posts ISO where they mostly focus on The Searchers as their only scumread, with little else. Posts 1935 to 1938 make sense in a game of this caliber, but i'd say egospray is at least trying to effort it - not sure if this is AI for them - while Feminist Bloc and Flavortown are clearly not. Flavortown is consistently forgetting that this game exists because of that, but Datisi has even come up first in some of the minigames plists and it's the only slot that remained consistent in their interest for minigames while showing disinterest for the game itself. If i had to place my next guess at who is scum right now, it'd be them. They also can spare time to pay attention if they wanted to, since their ISO count here is more than double their posts in the main thread.

VOTE: Feminist Bloc

Yeah, this is a flashwagon. No, i don't like smol might as the d1 lynch based on my experience with them. I reconsidered DA. I'm still undecided about egospray and The Searchers but egospray improved significantly over the recent posts, whereas The Searchers made the opposite imo. They would still be interesting lynches but not my current best bet against scum. I think Blake still makes sense only as scum, but i want to believe in my other townreads that say she's town.

Do whatever you want with this.

-Farkran

[Blake X Yang]

The times of the events are known in advance. That is a weak source of information at best.

-Blake

[Feminist Blocc]

Yo Fark, you missed the part where I said that I specifically signed up for minigames because I was told this wouldn't be an Actual Mafia Game?

-D

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Yo Fark, you missed the part where I said that I specifically signed up for minigames because I was told this wouldn't be an Actual Mafia Game?

-D

No, in fact i explicitly quoted the post. You do not seem disingaged enough as to skip the game because you produced one read - why only that read?

-Farkran

[Feminist Blocc]

I have produced zero reads my guy. That's been Ausuka. I have done exactly zero of any Mafia Related Activities.

-D

[Despair Night]

Thank you for the input, insomnia.

-Blake

If you're town, this will make you want to push elsewhere because you actually believe in your read but just understood wall posting against them will make town think it's TVT.

And it stops this charade.

It's great input.

~som

[Blake X Yang]

Thank you for the input, insomnia.

-Blake

If you're town, this will make you want to push elsewhere because you actually believe in your read but just understood wall posting against them will make town think it's TVT.

And it stops this charade.

It's great input.

~som

Even better would be going into townreads that I'm not townreading.

-Blake

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

The times of the events are known in advance. That is a weak source of information at best.

-Blake

And yet, i make a post against them and they respond immediately.

This reply isn't actually directed at blake, but it proves my point that Feminist Bloc *are* paying attention to the game, except they made nothing to help town, but not nothing enough as to do exactly zero if they were completely disengaged.

-Farkran

[Feminist Blocc]

Yes, I'm skimming the game for my own name because that's the only thing i can be fucked to respond about or even know enough to respond about. Ya got me fuck

-D

[Blake X Yang]

Yes, I'm skimming the game for my own name because that's the only thing i can be fucked to respond about or even know enough to respond about. Ya got me fuck

-D

I like

Datisi

.

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

I'm scumreading this hydra dissonance. They could just as easily settle it in a hydra pt.

i mean, i agree that they should do this, what's the motive for them as scum to behave this way though?

In post 156, Flavortown wrote:
Most definitely not gonna be able to keep track or pay attention to any of the currency stuff this game.

~Ferrari


Town post. I'm having the same thoughts

Why's this a townpost?

i was promised this wouldn't really be a mafia game and this feels like a mafia game I want my money back

-aus

Oh cool, you and

Ausuka

are town.

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

wait, I didn't mean to have quotes added. Completely diminishes the 20 comments I read in your ISO that made me think:

"Is

Cena

a wolf knowing all these people as town?"
"lol no

Cena

is OP with reads"
"I love you

Cena

"
"Yay

Ausuka

and I are town!"
"Yay

Datisi

is town, know I have an idea of what he's like"

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

Thank you for the input, insomnia.

-Blake

If you're town, this will make you want to push elsewhere because you actually believe in your read but just

understood wall posting against them will make town think it's TVT.

And it stops this charade.

It's great input.

~som

I'm curious, insomnia.

Does this also apply in the opposite direction and why?

-Blake

[Blake X Yang]

Where are those

Spiffy/Ego

replies to my questions? ISO me if you lost them.

Wherever you want? I am an open book. I work better with a specific question about a subject, particularly on day 1. If you're asking me who we should lynch, Smol is my preferred lynch target.

~Titus

Case him for me? Me lazy and have been townreading the people I look at so far.

This game feels as easy as it looks.

BILLBOARD TOWN

Imperium

Spoiler:

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUPGciUgy ... /giphy.gif

I hooded this hydra and while I had them as basically locktown off in-thread interactions, I would have locktowned them basically immediately off the hood. Like I know my characterization of a hood is not helpful to some people but let me tell you, these two do not have access to the scum PT. They just don't.

At this point I'd view any suspicion of this slot with about as much skepticism as suspicion of my own.

Blake x Yang

Spoiler:

While there's always the concern that I wish Blake was like this almost every game, I'm not going to let "it's too good to be true" be a reason to not hard town this slot. Each head is townie independently. The one concern would be that Taly might be lowkey scum-polarized but I think the reach outs and struggle to get involved in this game all much more matches town Taly than scum Taly in my mind. Recent posting has all been billboard town tbh.

TOWN

Feminist Bloq

Spoiler:

lol why is this slot getting any scumreads at all?

I don't have the best hit rate on Ausuka generally, and of course Datisi would be easier to read if he was playing the main game and not just minigames. So two reasons to not hard say this should be a billboard read. But basically everything Ausuka has posted in the main thread just seems... good? I don't know how else to put it but this slot should just be town

Spiffybringer

Spoiler:

This slot should have been IC levels and it's dropped off a lot but let's be real. Firebringer is scum-polarized and he's not playing so that's lame but it doesn't make him scum. And Spiffy's initial mindmeld with me on Tammy was super town, which unfortunately he then just... gave up for no reason by backpedaling on the townread. Still second-guessing a snap townread is probably more town indicative than scum indicative? Maybe not but most of Spiffy's posting has been fine and this slot should probably just be town, with the caveat that the play here is just really different from TvA. But he was mason in TvA so I don't know how that might have impacted his approach.

I wouldn't bet a lot of money on this slot and I won't feel bad if I'm wrong but probably one of the townier slots in the game.

Latios and Latias

Spoiler:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/12QBgS1xGmP0rK/giphy.gif

Normally I wouldn't be inclined to dignify Gamma with a townread right now given he's been a naughty boi lately, but I think it's kinda ridiculous that after Minesweeper 2 more people seemed to want to throw townreads on Prism when Gamma did the very townie reach out there. And Gamma wanting to work with someone in a temp PT is pretty town gamma tbh -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11721774

also https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11721828 is good posting

NL

Spoiler:

My flavor is mod-confirmed 0/10.

I'm already town as f just for this.

Honestly this slot would be billboard town but I don't want Maria to start cultivating a meta of doing even LESS as town

Yeah, I know, off play objectively this slot should be null. But that Maria is putting 0 effort into getting townread frankly probably heavily spews her town LOL

QUOTE UNQUOTE "NULL"

Egospray

Spoiler:

1. Hectic felt really in your face in and direct to people. Almost like he was power playing and taking control. Here he feels like he's goofing off more right now.
2.3.
3.

Tempted to townlean off this. My #1 concern with this slot is bugspray not playing the main thread which basically prohibits me from moving this slot up to town, because that's really night and day from schadd's mystery box game and a lot more consistent with bug being a town-polarized player. I'm still talking with DRK about this read though and might have more since I think she has some different expectations.

Cappy

Spoiler:

I would never really consider lynching this slot before day 4. The question is, if it's still alive, is it the day 4 lynch? And my answer to that is: that won't be my problem because I'm never surviving to day 4 this game. So there's literally no reason to read this slot because I'm never lynching them while events are running, and I am absolutely confident that in a game with this many kills that I die well before then.

Despair Night

Spoiler:

Not accepting the masonry was a big mistake.

Saying to vig me was a bigger mistake if he wanted to be alive on day 3.

That being said, I'd trust Blake's read on insomnia over mine own this game. I'd still shoot him night 2 even if she townread him, but I'm not shooting him night 1. I don't think I would ever consider him for a day 1 lynch unless Blake said he was the day 1 lynch. That's actually exactly where I'm at on him right now. Insomnia being null to Blake is probably my biggest concern with him. And frankly him going through like three different stages of grief after I said I was going to shoot him was.... weird and not particularly townie.

Doing this list took too long, part 2 with the bottom half continues after breakfast.

-JOHN CENA

If this slot flips town I might end up sheeping this

-Latios

I was originally concerned that

Gamma

not stating a defined reason to sort or solidify this huge bulk of reads is a scum-strategy to avoid read accountability, especially in the idea that the

Cena hydra

flips relatively soon.

Two seconds later I thought that narrative was stupid because this puts

Gamma

into a massive hole read-wise regardless of

Cena's

alignment... and since him/

Chem's

reads are too different from this hydra...

...Very likely town.

k cool

But you know, I'm mind-melding with half the plist so why not just add another hydra to that.

-yang

-yang

[Blake X Yang]

-yang

-yang

I-

-yang

[Despair Night]

Thank you for the input, insomnia.

-Blake

If you're town, this will make you want to push elsewhere because you actually believe in your read but just

understood wall posting against them will make town think it's TVT.

And it stops this charade.

It's great input.

~som

I'm curious, insomnia.

Does this also apply in the opposite direction and why?

-Blake

It doesn't, and you know it barely does, so I don't have to address the second question.

~som

[Blake X Yang]

Address it anyway. Humor me.

-Blake

[Despair Night]

I can't because it would presume I should argue from the position of "it does apply in the opposite direction" which I don't believe in.

~som

[Blake X Yang]

I asked you whether it does and to explain why it does or doesn't.

Answer, please.

-Blake