Mini Normal 2130: Mafia From Home [Game Over]

[Looker]

I really hope he meant that sarcastically, because a request like that, coming from him, is pretty out of line if he's sincere.

Sorry Looker, I'm here now and catching up.

A vote would be a great apology.

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• WHEN ARE WE GETTING PRODS FOR CHURROS/ANOTORA?
  
  
• Do better. You know who you are.
  Spoiler:

  It's Norway. I'm talking to Norway. But I'm joking

  Or am I?

  
  
  
• @Luca: Out of "Looker, Churros, Egix, Anotora, 72.", I'll give you Anotora (if she ever has to post again).
  • Also, I wasn't trying to rolefish - I was just questioning why you didn't immediately suspect 72 if you're town and a neighbor, but you two aren't masons
• I claim the ultimate power role: Ungated VT
  • This isn't really that fun anymore. Nice work, Norway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know what this vendetta is about Looker, but stop it.

Anyway, i believe Anotora might be a better choice for BM and Una to check since Saudade (The "BRILLIANT" player) scumread him.

[Egix96]

Egix can target me.

Una and Mage target Looker.

Nope, this is where I disagree heavily.
There's still this weird world where you and Norwegian are scum together and we are not simply looking past that now that we are already down to the deep end with claims and roles, I want one of you three resolved.

I also dislike the fact that egix has to lock down a target.
We give him a free reign to choose a target, because his action and alignment are confirmed from the other end and have nothing to do with the targets alignment.

I want egix to target a more obscure slot at random, someone outside of 72, Luca, Norwegian and me.
Essentially Churros/Looker would make for good picks.
That way we eliminate the chance for scum!egix + scum!Luca, because someone else will confirm egix as town.

Sorry to disappoint, but by the end of this Day I'm gonna have to pick one and stick with it.

[72offsuit]

I am a town neighbor, my neighbor is 72.

What is your result?

Can confirm, so unless Luca is a scum neighbour, Una is lying.

VOTE: Una

What's a scum neighbour? I assumed this was like a mason, but the whole point of masons is they are confirmed town to each other. So you're saying you confirm Luca's claim, but it doesn't mean he's town?

Neighbours can be town or scum.
Just type neighbour in wiki.

[72offsuit]

I am a town neighbor, my neighbor is 72.

What is your result?

Can confirm, so unless Luca is a scum neighbour, Una is lying.

VOTE: Una

Then just hold the phone.
I am simple. Per the wiki:

Simple is a role modifier that modifies the way in which an active action is used; it causes the action to fail, as though it were roleblocked, when used against a player who is not vanilla. In other words, only Vanilla Townies and Goons of the various anti-town factions will be affected by a Simple action; other players are too complex to be vulnerable.

Meaning that I should've gotten a "no result" from Luca if this is true?
I didn't, I got a result.
I already sent the mod a PM because I had a hunch there might've been a mistake in the result, but if this was really a mod-mistake, I'm done with this game.

If you are in fact the role you state, there are other ways in which you would get a no result, unrelated to your role, eg: a scum roleblocker.
Why are you convinced that Luca is scum AND that I am also lying based on your result?

[72offsuit]

nvm i see you say your result was "not Vanilla"

[72offsuit]

Una's play here makes sense as a scum PR. He is basically a scum role cop to make it easier for mafia to kill town power roles. His role doesn't make a lot of sense as a town utility.
He fake claimed to discredit the push on Looker whom i am certain is his scum teammate at this point, and make us lynch Luca instead.

You are saying you think Una fake claimed to get Luca lynched, just to die himself the next day? 1 for 1 trade scum for town doesnt seem likely to me.

UNVOTE: Una

[72offsuit]

And here's a perfect example of what I mean, you're voting Anotora based on a post that has no reasoning behind it, and doing so without any reasoning of your own.
Do you have an actual reason for your vote?

Obviously - everyone that voted for Anotora yesterday is dead.

This is obviously false. So do you have an actual reason for your vote?

It's because your ISO was and still is, weak.

Weaker than Anotora's?

At this point I would say yes, your ISO is weaker than Anotora's. Admittedly it's a tough call.

Why are you talking about weak as opposed to what is scummy?
From the vibe im getting of Looker and Zantetst's posts Weak ~ lurk. Lurk often is not alignment indicative on its own.

[72offsuit]

I am a town neighbor, my neighbor is 72.

What is your result?

Can confirm, so unless Luca is a scum neighbour, Una is lying.

VOTE: Una

Why do you think it's more likely that Una is lying than Luca is a scum neighbor?

Because I have a townlean on Luca and scumread on Una

[UnaBombaH]

Sorry to disappoint, but by the end of this Day I'm gonna have to pick one and stick with it.

Why though?
If no one claims you visited them, it's a 1v1 between you two then.
And if they do confirm your role, and it's anyone outside of the "current discussion", at least I'd feel better about it.
Because if it's someone like Luca who confirms you, I'd just feel paranoid about you two being the scumteam.

[72offsuit]

Neopolitan on town neighbor would give result "Luca is not a vanilla townie", since that's what neopolitan does -- gives positives on vanilla town and negatives on everything else.

Can someone confirm if this is how mechanically the role should work?

[72offsuit]

There's clearly been a mod error, but the way Una has gone about it doesn't sit well with me.

He has a hunch there was an error, but rushes forward to reveal his result anyway? Why not wait for the mod's reply, and why the certainty that I'm scum based on that ambiguous result?

It could be he's trying to use the situation as a 'dumbtell' to be townread. That's a pretty low thing to do but I've seen it happen. I'll wait and see what his explanation is anyway.

I'm also wondering why Una, as Town, would have targeted me anyway? Was he scumreading me D1?

Agree

[NorwegianboyEE]

72offsuit, just a quick question before you fully catch up. What's your read on Zantetsu?

[72offsuit]

This makes sense now. Scum lynching town, then blaming the town lynch on mod error to avoid being lynched with a townie flip due to his 'report'

Una = scum
Luca = town

VOTE: Una

[UnaBombaH]

Neopolitan on town neighbor would give result "Luca is not a vanilla townie", since that's what neopolitan does -- gives positives on vanilla town and negatives on everything else.

Can someone confirm if this is how mechanically the role should work?

Lol, there's no need for anyone to confirm it to you.
Just check the official wiki, and see for yourself if you really think I would fake a quote from the wiki.

The only thing about my variation of the role, is that I'm "simple".
Meaning that while normally Neapolitan should get "not Vanilla Townie" for ALL OTHER ROLES, except for VT exactly, "simple Neapolitan" SHOULD get a "no result" for ALL PR's for both alignments.
Meaning that I'd get 100% guilties on MafiaGoons and 100% innos on VanillaTownies only.

But based on the wording FireBringer used, it seems like this game isn't working that way.
I'm seriously considering whether I should just not play any more games here if this is how reliable the wiki and normal guidelines really are.
I play normal games simply because I do not enjoy excessive roles, and want to have clear guidelines on how to interpret actions and results.
Wacky roles like mine are fine by themselves, but when it gets unclear "how modifiers affect the roles separately in a combined role"...it's just too much for me.

[UnaBombaH]

This makes sense now. Scum lynching town, then blaming the town lynch on mod error to avoid being lynched with a townie flip due to his 'report'

Una = scum
Luca = town

VOTE: Una

What are you doing?

[Looker]

I didn't start it; you did. But okay.

VOTE: Riabi

[72offsuit]

Ok well with that somewhat clarified, and in the spirit of the day, I'm claiming as well

I'm a '

PT Cop

', which means I can investigate people and find out if they are in private threads (which presumably is because we have neighbours and scum).

Last night I investigated Zantetsu and he came up positive. Given the claims and his reaction seems pretty unlikely he is a neighbour/mason, so he must be scum.

Vote: Zantetsu

How have you come to the conclusion that Zantetsu is unlikely to be a neighbour/mason?

[UnaBombaH]

Like, I still THINK my result SHOULD mean a guilty on Luca, but apparently the interpretation here is that my result ended up being NAI after all.
IF Luca were to be a town-neighbour here, I should've gotten a "no result".
Meaning that I think he still might be scum and my role-modifier doesn't work as intended, or you are both scum and just hastily came up with the story of a hood.

[72offsuit]

If Zantetsu is scum as Battle Mage claims, it raises the possibility that he is trying to redirect our attention from one of Luca/Una. As evidenced by his "This is probably a mod error" stance.

Luca is also saying he thinks its an error.

@NBEE - So do you agree its a mod error or not?

[72offsuit]

Zantetsu should claim. In fact i’m starting to wonder if a mass claim wouød be best at this point. Then we can do setup analyzis and find out who is the most believable.

Wow, asking for a mass claim in a closed setup. Scummy.

[UnaBombaH]

How have you come to the conclusion that Zantetsu is unlikely to be a neighbour/mason?

Oh my..72, if you are town here, please stop to read and think before posting more.
Check how Zantetsu reacted to BM saying he is in a PT.
He made it rather clear he was contesting the claim altogether.

[UnaBombaH]

Zantetsu-72-Luca might just be the team.
If that is really the case, I feel sorry for Luca.
If 72 is town here, I really hope they don't feel bad about this afterwards.
Because they are completely lost here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok well with that somewhat clarified, and in the spirit of the day, I'm claiming as well

I'm a '

PT Cop

', which means I can investigate people and find out if they are in private threads (which presumably is because we have neighbours and scum).

Last night I investigated Zantetsu and he came up positive. Given the claims and his reaction seems pretty unlikely he is a neighbour/mason, so he must be scum.

Vote: Zantetsu

How have you come to the conclusion that Zantetsu is unlikely to be a neighbour/mason?

Let me answer this conundrum for you.
Battle Mage claims PT cop with a guilty on Zantetsu.
Zantetsu claims he has no PT's at all and that Battle Mage is lying.

Ergo: One of Zantetsu/Battle Mage are lying and is most likely scum.

[72offsuit]

Can someone explain the Mod error thing to me? Like, if the Mod made an error, does that mean Una is confirmed town? and Luca-72offsuit confirmed neighbours?

I don't see how this really confirms anything about Una's alignment. Although there is the argument being raised that this is too stupid of a strategy for scum!Una to do. Personally i'm not really townreading Una based off that. Regarding Luca, assuming Una's only claim on Luca being guilty is that he is "not VT" then that is definitely not convincing enough for me.
It does seem silly that Luca/72 would confirm being neighbors if they are both scum. So i'm not going to question the neighbor claim, but whether or not they are both town neighbors is up to debate.

Have you ever seen a scum-scum niehgbourhood? What do you think would be the purpose of this?