Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[northsidegal]

there is also the fact that it's not exactly clear that your last line has "even if i am lying" implicit in it. i think that a reading of your post in which you take it that the author believes what they are saying still has the inconsistency which i brought up.

it feels like overjustification, especially given that i've never said that it's because of her not posting that her presence scum-inclines your slot. like, "she can't post, but even if she could i'd be making her post if we were scum, so either way you're wrong". like, just mentioning that she can't post seems like justification enough to me. a plausible thought explaining the last line to me went something like "oh no, ND lurking is getting us scumread as i knew would happen, need to deny it on multiple fronts" or something like that. that's a bit exaggerated but i'm not sure of a better way to word the thought i had.

[Trojan Horses]

Okay, then. Well, I will say that she initially wasn't very fond of my deciding to troll around, but she does find it amusing.

I'll list off some reads of her from Discord:
Molla probably town as his progression on NSG looks genuine, although he's not an easy read.
Gamma probably town.
Elmo seemed scummy.
And pointed out a towntell for RC.

[Trojan Horses]

there is also the fact that it's not exactly clear that your last line has "even if i am lying" implicit in it. i think that a reading of your post in which you take it that the author believes what they are saying still has the inconsistency which i brought up.

it feels like overjustification, especially given that i've never said that it's because of her not posting that her presence scum-inclines your slot. like, "she can't post, but even if she could i'd be making her post if we were scum, so either way you're wrong". like, just mentioning that she can't post seems like justification enough to me. a plausible thought explaining the last line to me went something like "oh no, ND lurking is getting us scumread as i knew would happen, need to deny it on multiple fronts" or something like that. that's a bit exaggerated but i'm not sure of a better way to word the thought i had.

I think specifically phrasing it as "if she was able to" implies that I know I could be lying about it? I'm aware of what my posts come off like.
I know that ND lurking would begin to get us scumread (I posted it earlier) and I do want to pre-emptively shut down that line of attack on multiple fronts.
This is consistent with my posting much earlier that people will start scumreading us if they figured out her identity.
I don't think "overjustification" is the appropriate word when there are multiple fronts (which I already can predict happening) in the first place.

[RadiantCowbells]

still looking for cakez

[Trojan Horses]

I don't know, I'll have to make a more thorough read there. I felt his initial attacks were lacking in depth. I'll write more about this in a bit.

[RadiantCowbells]

btw this is a strange comment

but i'm not really enjoying reading your posts nsg and i usually enjoy reading your posts

i'm wondering if it's alignment indicative or something else

[Not_Mafia]

Why are people so dead this game what the actual fuck

too many dead people to be fucking scum

THIS IS HOW WE LOSE BROS

CAN WE PLEASE NOT LET THIS GAME DIE

Lol this is the fakest shit of all time, this is prime 2008 era shitty scumplay

[Not_Mafia]

Will hammer Molla when he hits L-1, not reading anything but VCs until that happens, will be back to shitpost as the mood takes me

[BBmolla]

that's literally horse shit

[BBmolla]

heading to bed but this doesn't look like scum NSG imo

[BBmolla]

gobbles I swear to fuck I rallied the same as town in a recent game but I can't for the life of me find it

you've been in like my last 11 games so if it sounds familiar find it for me please

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I mean thats Molla in a nutshell

[Not_Mafia]

that's literally horse shit

Not literally

[Trojan Horses]

but i'm not really enjoying reading your posts nsg and i usually enjoy reading your posts

I'll echo this. I like this thought.

[Shuichi Saihara]

[snip]

Maybe I should try more often if it's going to get people to say nice things about me.

As regards there not being a rise and fall of wagons, I would be participating in this more -- mostly switching my vote between Jorm and TH a lot, I think -- if RC didn't make that post about a scum hammerer or something else silly. While it's not likely, it sits in the back of my mind as a not totally unreasonable concern.

the replacement scum plays a lot better and saves the slot.

Mostly meant this, though also I think people have a tendency to (consciously or otherwise) give new players a blank slate, and they really shouldn't.

it feels like overjustification, especially given that i've never said that it's because of her not posting that her presence scum-inclines your slot.

This is becoming a pattern with TH.

[Shuichi Saihara]

the replacement scum plays a lot better and saves the slot.

Mostly meant this, though also I think people have a tendency to (consciously or otherwise) give new players a blank slate, and they really shouldn't.

it feels like overjustification, especially given that i've never said that it's because of her not posting that her presence scum-inclines your slot.

This is becoming a pattern with TH.

[gobbledygook]

Trojan, why would revealing Nancy as a head be reason to instantly scumread you?
Has she posted yet?

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Elmo

Going with my gut. I think TH is probably very likely scum.

[SirCakez]

At this point, Halloween should probably kill someone so it gives both games to talk about. Christmas could kill someone, but it would be harder to actually hit scum given more than a third of Christmas is lurking.

I agree with this

don't know where NSG or Amrun are but can we just lynch in Halloween in the meantime while they either lurk enough to replace out or return and post?

ok who do you think we should be lynching in Halloween?

I'm willing to sheep others on NSG

[gobbledygook]

While NSG's catchup did not really dissuade me from voting her, I do not want to kill her anymore.

[Trojan Horses]

This is becoming a pattern with TH.

Really? Can you cite other instances of over-justification from my end?

Trojan, why would revealing Nancy as a head be reason to instantly scumread you?
Has she posted yet?

knowing that nancy drew is there i might say that they're more likely to be scum. i say that because i think that factors that might influence some people to post differently while in a hydra probably don't apply (or apply less) to nancy drew – that is, i would expect her to post the same as always

I don't see the point of the first question when I've just finished that discussion.
Yes, she posted (and signed).

it's bad for the game because it feels like we're just spinning our wheels and not really going anywhere—no rise and fall of wagons, no push and push back, almost just conversation.

On a side note: I really think we should ignore the possibility of a scum hammerer or anything of the sort. Avoiding placing votes and not getting people to lynch range will obviously affect game readability.

We should absolutely generate and push wagons

. NSG, do you agree?
If you agree, NSG, then why didn't you shut this down when RC asked people not to bring people past L-3 due to "obnoxious scum mechanics"?

[RadiantCowbells]

I personally find the risk of someone getting lynched early more bad than not seeing wagon development because I don't find wagon development a useful way to scumhunt but that's just me.

[Trojan Horses]

I personally find the risk of someone getting lynched early more bad than not seeing wagon development because I don't find wagon development a useful way to scumhunt but that's just me.

Well, objectively, it gets hard reactions from the rest of town in form of their stances. It moves the game on at the very least.
I think the risk of an early lynch is something we can easily take. I'm ignoring the possibility that town lolhammers.

[Shuichi Saihara]

Really? Can you cite other instances of over-justification from my end?

I mean leaping to conclusions about why people suspect you.

It sounds basic, but I get guilty conscience from that.

[Trojan Horses]

I mean leaping to conclusions about why people suspect you.

It sounds basic, but I get guilty conscience from that.

Lulz. Interesting, I did think (or leaped to the conclusion that) an external observer would read that I have no conscience at all with regards to alignment.
Off-topic I think no one should feel guilty for being scum lol, part of what you sign up for and the scum experience is pretty different! There's an equal amount of thought that goes into scumgames for me, as I constantly have to manipulate players and the gamestate towards where I want it to be. I personally derive a lot of satisfaction from hoodwinking town.