Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[springlullaby]

Lol at the OMGUS.

[Farkset]

And you know Lady Chloe's alignment how?

...these kind of gotcha moments are really hard not to scumread! I'm not gonna townread springlullaby for the same reason I was townreading Farkran for a bit in that Undertale game. Her arguing about nothing and missing the point of many posts/questions I've asked her is scum-indicative.

P.S: You need to use the HURT tags for captures.

It's... plausible. I thought she was a different type of player, producing noise more than in-game content, but i was wrong.

Her posts are not empty, and i disagree with a lot that she says, but that doesn't make her immediately scum. Nor that makes her town. She's null in a way that my read on her isn't void, it's a net balance of null, maybe nullscum, but that vote on gingie makes sense for instance. I think spring is a slot that we don't sort today.

That said, we are not even voting to remove her from the game, just roleblock and xp loss, so... uhm. I think i can live with capturing her but i wouldn't say she's my top priority rn.

-Farkran

[Hectic]

I actually have a really strange reason for townreading springlullaby though lol. I didn't want to explain it earlier because it's kinda really stupid but here:

QUEST PLEDGE LIST DAY 1

Confirmed:

springlullaby
Pink Ball
Hectic

Waiting (lame or scum):

mastina
Raya36
Pine
Ginngie
Lady Chloe
momo
Flight of the Conchords
Not Known 15
Farkset
Ame

Leader:

springlullaby

In this pledge list, springlullaby put me after Pink Ball for people who have pledged, though I had confirmed to pledge before Pink Ball had. This isn't a big deal and doesn't really mean anything right now.

QUEST PLEDGE LIST DAY 1

Confirmed:

springlullaby
Hectic
Pink Ball
Pine
Raya36

Waiting (lame or scum):

mastina
Ginngie
Lady Chloe
momo
Flight of the Conchords
Not Known 15
Farkset
Ame

Leader:

springlullaby

But then in the next list, she's swapped me and Pink Ball around. Considering the fact she very likely copied the previous list and edited it to make this one, it means swapping us around was a consious choice, and might suggest she put me below Pink Ball in the first as petty/spite thing, which would indicate her actually disliking me/my posts rather than it being an act.
Then she swapped us around after reevaluating or wanting the list to actually be in order.

[Ame]

VOTE: Disable Strongman

Spoiler: Vote Count

Unofficial VC

[Capture] Flight of the Conchords (4)- Raya36, Lady Chloe*, Farkset, Ame
[Capture] springlullaby (4)- momo, Pine, Not Known 15, Hectic
[Capture] Lady Chloe (1)- mastina
[Capture] Hectic (1)- springlullaby
[End Day] (1) - Flight of the Conchords

Not voting (2)- Pink Ball, Ginngie

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-20 13:00:00)

Public Mechanic Vote

Disable Strongman (8)- Farkset, springlullaby, Raya36, Pine, Not Known 15, mastina, Ginngie, Ame
Neighborizer (3)- momo, Flight of the Conchords, Hectic
Train Cop (0)

Not voting (2)- Pink Ball, Lady Chloe*

I'm not sure whether or not Lady Chloe's unvote counts toward the capture or the mechanic.

@mod

what should we use to unvote?

[Farkset]

Springullaby how did you write the instances of that list? Literally, what did you do to write it?

Also hectic how confident would you say you are in pinkball alignment right now?

I have a 2-sided theory that i need to explore

-Farkran

[springlullaby]

Don't remember. I corrected several times for order.
I don't think that's relevant actually.

[Farkset]

It is relevant. Tell me how you would write the next one if one more person joins the quest then.

-Farkran

[springlullaby]

Joining order to the best of my my browsing through the thread.

[Farkset]

No sorry, let me clarify. I don't mean how you parsed for people, i mean how you actually wrote the list. What did you type?

-Farkran

[Pink Ball]

My comment on the state of the game is that one scum is voting you no matter what your alignment is. If you're town, they want to discredit you because of your open leadership proposal. If you're scum, it would be distancing

Can you clarify what are your reads based on this? There were only a very few votes on springlullaby at the moment of this post, what made you think that there is scum among them?

You admitted the possibility of SvS votes - why should a scumteam that includes springlullaby orchestrate this theater, this early in the game?

-Farkran

Nope. I would have addressed it if that was the case

spring asked me if I thought one of the voters was scummier than the other and I answered this. I'm still thinking.

Why this early? Exactly, why this early. Because spring is the loudest player and is taking all the attention. If spring gets lynched, one of the early pushers becomes a solid leader; if one of the pushers gets lynched, spring gets the leadership and that's even worse because of playstyle (she'd be a great scum leader leading town).

[springlullaby]

... I'm not sure what you're asking for and I can't remember. But alright I'm curious.

cut copy list from mod
write name
sometimes cut copy
delete name

[springlullaby]

^That was at Fark

[Farkset]

Also hectic how confident would you say you are in pinkball alignment right now?

-Farkran

Ok spring, still need this from hectic

-Farkran

[Ame]

So I think I came up with a game-breaking Train Cop strategy.

No Capture Version
7 players go on the quest
We decided publically who will be the leader. The leader is free to use any action they choose.
The other 6 questers Train
Each of the 6 non-questers is assigned to Train cop one of the (non-leader) questers.

Capture Version
7 players go on the quest including the captured player.
The leader is decided publically and is free to use any action they choose.
The other 5 questers Train
Each of the 6 non-questers is assigned to Train cop the 6 non-captured questers including the leader. (Alternatively one of the questers remains unassigned)

In this way, mafia can't join the quest without being forced to Train! So at least one mafia will have to remain outside of the quest in order to do the kill. And the others inside the quest will not be able to use their abilities! So mafia has to decide to either A) be a part of the quest or B) use their abilities.

[Pink Ball]

What if mafia is assigned to train cop the mafia inside the quest so they're free to do what they want

[Hectic]

Springullaby how did you write the instances of that list? Literally, what did you do to write it?

Also hectic how confident would you say you are in pinkball alignment right now?

I have a 2-sided theory that i need to explore

-Farkran

Not very. I didn't like 292

[Ame]

What if mafia is assigned to train cop the mafia inside the quest so they're free to do what they want

Indeed, but that's not the primary goal. The primary goal is forcing mafia to have to either use their ability/kill OR be inside the quest, not both.

[Pink Ball]

What I mean is that if mafia is asigned to train cop another mafia, they can do both 'cause they can lie

[Ame]

What if mafia is assigned to train cop the mafia inside the quest so they're free to do what they want

Indeed, but that's not the primary goal. The primary goal is forcing mafia to have to either use their ability/kill OR be inside the quest, not both.

Like even if they aren't assigned to their partner, they can still use their ability and simply say that the person they were assigned to trained.

[Ame]

Oh I see, we can't account for that, but it's less likely than is that they'll be assigned to their partner.

[Hectic]

So I think I came up with a game-breaking Train Cop strategy.

No Capture Version
7 players go on the quest
We decided publically who will be the leader. The leader is free to use any action they choose.
The other 6 questers Train
Each of the 6 non-questers is assigned to Train cop one of the (non-leader) questers.

Capture Version
7 players go on the quest including the captured player.
The leader is decided publically and is free to use any action they choose.
The other 5 questers Train
Each of the 6 non-questers is assigned to Train cop the 6 non-captured questers including the leader. (Alternatively one of the questers remains unassigned)

In this way, mafia can't join the quest without being forced to Train! So at least one mafia will have to remain outside of the quest in order to do the kill. And the others inside the quest will not be able to use their abilities! So mafia has to decide to either A) be a part of the quest or B) use their abilities.

So the aim is to reduce mafia influence within the quest, and increase the chance of the leader being picked and the person the leader selects to be town? Since, this disincentives them to join the quest. And if they do, they may not use any special abilities.

[Ame]

So the aim is to reduce mafia influence within the quest, and increase the chance of the leader being picked and the person the leader selects to be town? Since, this disincentives them to join the quest. And if they do, they may not use any special abilities.

Right!

[Ame]

A potential addition: it may also provide a reason for the questers to collectively decide who the leader should gift. (1) since it will be a town-sided collective and (2) That way, if the gifter is blocked/killed/etc/or not, it will provide indicators as to who may be mafia inside/outside the quest.

[Ame]

gifted*

[Ame]

What I like about this is that if there is a kill, we know ~100% that it was one of the people outside of the quest that did it. (~accept for the potential of mafia being assigned to their partner)