On the Flying Scumsman (Abandoned)

[Disaster Artists]

That's impossible. Boon is scum every game. Especially when he has green role pmz :3

[Blake X Yang]

I agree that this is pretty business as usual for Pine
Not thrilled w/ Feminist at this point in my reread (page 32) but we'll see how they are as the game progresses

And idk I think Flavortown is town but I've never played w/ scum!Boon

~Spiffy

In my recent experience, Flavor Leaf has gotten increasingly discouraged with scum games. Winning Don Corleone directly made him more mislynchable from his own words. He played a lot of scumgames in the past year, and my most recent two games with a scum Flavor Leaf was as his partner, where he started off disheartened before the game even began due to the roles the scumteam were given, and TM2020 Large Theme, where he played his heart out and lost after gaining a large advantage.

I can see him looking at this game and not having the heart to play it, especially after realizing that the odds of him being removed from the game night one isn't low.

-Blake

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Scum!FL engages with the game noise and helps producing more. He can whiteknight partners as well as bus them with ease. He recently suffered (at least) 2 losses as scum, so he could be up for a significant change of meta. It's still a townlean to me, but the change might actually be too drastic to be readable as i previously hought it was.

TL;DR i wouldn't lynch there rn

These are my 2 cents about FL.

-Farkran

[The Searchers]

My point about Smol being his primary SR and target all day over others still stands.

Ok it's a bad point though

~Spiffy

Why?

oh also

DA

has warranted my hard-defense of their slot.

so

Disaster Artist

,

Despair Night

, and

Imperium

are slots I will towncase to hell and back.

another thing: why did people magically decide

titus hydra

is scum? am I misted by the fact that

titus

has and I haven't 1v1'd for 3 days straight?

-yang

I would love to see this DA towncase.
Still reading

SC

[Disaster Artists]

That's a good point cakez

You should write one for me

-JC

[The Searchers]

I declare this a TvT argument.

It feels weird that EA has only started attacking SB when SB started attacking them? Like I don't think EA had any sort of read there before. I agree with the reasoning but the timing feels weird. SB noticed it too in 2281.

VOTE: Smol Might

~Spiffy

Why bail on EA?

So multiple scum in Smol Might/egospray/Foxy/Feminist?

~Spiffy

This kinda feels too easy?

I would join a Flavortown wagon but I don't think Ircher wants to go there. I agree they are getting overlooked by a lot of people.
I'm becoming less opposed to a Smol Might lynch.

SC

[Despair Night]

Why doesn't George just claim his role? We have a gravity surge thing drawing all actions anyway, he's safe for at least two nights.

The only thing that stops me from lynching him is his claim which I have no idea what it is or how it makes him town.

~som

[Spiffybringer]

oh shit i forgot the game was happening thats 33 pages what the fuck

Im going to consult with the other half of my ego to help catch up

pedit: excuse me what the fuck

hectic do you have a post restriction?

didnt i literally say something about a game where the theme is every player has to do this kind ofthing where you collage peoples avatars in sitechat before

This is the worst entrance I have literally ever seen

~Spiffy

[Spiffybringer]

I want to hear more about spiffy because i don't see the scumminess there, so if imperium and despair could help it would be awesome

@SC Can you still talk to me about your individual spiffy read?

I mean he called pops the greatest evil of this world or something, but i didn't see them ACTUALLY voting or pushing the slot in any way, so... i don't see a particular reason for scumreading spiffy there, so, what else am i missing? Do you think smol is town enough to not have anyone scumreading him? Just trying to understand your trajectory to spiffy

-Farkran

Ok I feel like Farkran is asking too many questions about why people are scum reading me to the point where it seems intentional

As if they're trying to capitalize on my very early/premature town read of their entrance and either endear themselves to me or associate my slot to theirs in the event that they flip

Maybe I'm just self involved and only pay attention to posts that mention me but this makes me feel apprehensive

~Spiffy

[Spiffybringer]

Like their attention on me would make more sense if I were in danger of getting lynched but I had like two votes at that time and it just makes me think they're trying to buddy me by questioning my detractors!

~Spiffy

[Spiffybringer]

People in my town bloc right now are cappy, latiguys, black hole, imperium and despair. I'm fine working with them. @black hole i think you should reconsider your vote on cappy.

Then I'm not even in their town bloc a few posts later?

~Spiffy

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

You should notice that, aside from Ms Despair whom i have sorted later, i spent next to zero time sorting the people in that townbloc and i have quite high confidence in being accurate on all those names. Asking around about you is because my level of confidence on you was lower, and it is now possibly even lower - not based on this catchup that you are doing right now, i'm still a bit concerned about how the egospray wagon regained popularity several pages ago. 1 scum around that wagon is still plausible, including egospray. Honestly i'm surprised to see i'm the only one who thinks that.

-Farkran

[Spiffybringer]

Farkran I haven't really read recent stuff to closely so I may have missed it, but what are your thoughts on egospray and Smol Might at this time?

~Spiffy

[egospray]

1) Outline your reasons for voting and wanting to lynch Smol Might?

1) I think he should be pushed right now. (update on scumread for L&L, etc)
2) His vote on Latibros
3)

the issues i have with this is that no matter what alignment you have, your going to try to make it seem like your town from these answers, even if its nt 100% true. Theyre just not good questions.

If you have an issue with the answers, why did you answer them?

2) How do you feel about the corresponding top wagons currently Mitoko/Kuroko and Disaster Artists?

I've been Townreading M&K for a long while, but I just really thought their vote on us was shitty. At the time, I don't think there's much. There was like 2 votes on each person. I highly doubt scum was making their move then. You and DA were the only people on M&K at the time you asked this. And for DA, i'm still TLing them. I think their callout for Searcher's recent scuminess is +.

3) Would you change wagons if anyone acquired more votes? If so, who would you change to?

Yeah, I would honestly prefer RL and Searchers if they gained more traction. I think they all have high scum probability.

-gb

[egospray]

Why doesn't George just claim his role? We have a gravity surge thing drawing all actions anyway, he's safe for at least two nights.

The only thing that stops me from lynching him is his claim which I have no idea what it is or how it makes him town.

First, What claim? Second, why should I claim? Your wagon is as large as mine right now.

-gb

[Equitable Androids]

Mod VC please

[Despair Night]

Why doesn't George just claim his role? We have a gravity surge thing drawing all actions anyway, he's safe for at least two nights.

The only thing that stops me from lynching him is his claim which I have no idea what it is or how it makes him town.

First, What claim? Second, why should I claim? Your wagon is as large as mine right now.

-gb

Because you're probably dying unless you claim.

~som

[Despair Night]

Hectic said you have a hood with him and he said your claim is townie.

~som

[Mikoto and Kuroko]

Farkran I haven't really read recent stuff to closely so I may have missed it, but what are your thoughts on egospray and Smol Might at this time?

~Spiffy

WRT eragon

i have recently played a game against scum!him where he was caught for a bad catchup. He hadn't produced much in that game, and he complained a lot when he was lynched. He sounded quite genuine in that complain, even if he had been bussed - this impression was reinforced by even more complains in the scum PT that i read when it was opened - implying that he would probably have liked to play more with his role. This makes me think that he does not hate being scum and he wouldn't be demotivated by rolling scum here - he would also be very aware that doing shitty catchups and/or producing poor content would get himself caught, so i don't think we're looking at scum!eragon here.

Of course there is a layer of wifom surrounding this analysis, but i don't see eragon as the type to play around wifom. He made mistakes in the last game, but he would fix them by playing more, not by disengaging. I think he's the type to be overwhelmed by the game pace though - last time we were neighbors and he could contribute mainly through me. In the main thread he wasn't very active, as town. I won't be on this wagon.

WRT egospray

I had him as scum initially, and i don't townread him now. There have been weird movement around his slot, but when he entered the spotlight he started producing more. There is a chance that the scumteam prodded him to produce more content - i would do that if i were coaching him, so it's still a valid lynch to me, but as i said i also didn't like how the second egospray wagon formed - this makes him a nice info lynch, but i'm not sure how he would flip. Hectic townreading there makes me more hesitant, but i can still compromise on egospray.

I'm surprised to see exactly zero interest in my analysis of Feminist Bloc though - a lot of people haven't spoken up yet, but the only people who answered are active slots who townread them and it's weird. No doubts, no questions asked - just whiteknighting which mostly came from blake/yang.

-Farkran

[Spiffybringer]

Why would you even claim in a neighborhood on Day 1?

~Spiffy

[Feminist Blocc]

Fark, stop trying to last-minute shitpush our slot through, it's not happening.

-D

[Despair Night]

[Feminist Blocc]

i'd appreciate expanding on this?

I can't remember what exact post it was, but Searcher was making a big deal out of stuff like discussing events and stuff.

-gb

ok, why do you think scum!Ircher specifically would tell people to stop discussing events?

I've been kinda waiting to see if literally anyone else would ever bother to push this slot... and it seems like just no one sees it?

Tbh I've had, like, no feeelings about that slot all game Looking at the rest of this post I'm still, like, not sure about this slot. I mean, they've been asking a *lot* of questions and part of me wants to jump to the conclusion that they're asking as many questions as possible as a method to look like less of a lurker slot and avoid being pushed for that, but none of the questions are really invalid? There's a lot of asking for expansion on small things so I guess it'll be interesting to see the follow-up for that.

What if Blake is scum

Ok I talked to Dats about this post because he's talked about being able to read Bugs really well before. His response was, very roughly paraphrased - "That's bugspray posting, yeah. They definitely seem like scum. I don't really know since I can't see many of their posts, but maybe that's a scumtell on its own." So uh yeah I guess this is + scum for this slot.

Proving my point of DA being willing to lynch anyone to save themselves

Please explain? DA has been very expansive about their reads and posted a large case on Equitable last page detailing their progression on the slot and why they think it's scum, how is voting them "willing to lynch anyone?"

Datisi (Feminist Bloc) has been participating in all events except two, which is fairly indicative of him paying attention to this game in spite of a 27 posts ISO where they mostly focus on The Searchers as their only scumread, with little else.

datisi has been paying attention to the events but not the mafia because he enjoys the events and doesn't enjoy mafia, specifically large themes that are difficult to keep up with such as this. you seem to be using Datisi and feminist blocc interchangably which is either a strange wording choice or you just haven't read our posts. speaking for myself as part of the hydra - i *have* been putting effort into the game. not so much as other slots that write multiple walls everyday, but I have dedicated a solid chunk of every day to reading the posts that came up since I last posted and commenting my thoughts. i definitely haven't just been casing searchers, lol. this content has been enough for others to read me on, and considering that it's been, like, what, 4 days since the game began? i'd say it's indicative that i'm not "clearly not" putting effort into the game. and i mean, if i split up my 'catchup' posts into shorter posts, we'd have significantly more posts than we do; raw postcount seems like a poor metric for measuring effort.

not nothing enough as to do exactly zero if they were completely disengaged

this is, like, basically what datisi has done up to this point.

thx for the white knight Yang I am now in your pocket

I'm pretty okay with a SM lynch i guess it's like the 'easy lynch' and a pretty null slot which isn't great but I think a lot of people seem town in this game so i'm much more willing to vote for a slot that's kinda disappeared I think. I don't feel any need to vote them right now because plurality and we still have a while but if there are counterwagons between SM vs someone else I will vote for the SM wagon unless smth changes.

re:Flavor; i mean I get the whole thing about scum!flavour not usually being so quiet but like... I don't think town!flavour really is usually either so this is just a change either way? Granted I haven't played in a while so this could have changed but I remember playing multiple games with scum!fl and there wasn't really anything obvious connecting his playstyle between games.

-Aus

[Despair Night]

God damn it I want to CFD feminist blocc.

I really don't like the phrasing of the questions. It's like...they're framed in a way that's almost meant to tell people why their reads suck and asking why their process sucks and guiding them to correcting them, instead of deducing why someone thinks the way they do. Examples include, but are not limited to :

Please explain? DA has been very expansive about their reads and posted a large case on Equitable last page detailing their progression on the slot and why they think it's scum, how is voting them "willing to lynch anyone?"

please expand on this. what egospray said was, "Oh, well, uh, there goes my push." I know you're saying stuff about wording but "there goes my push" is pretty basic and I don't think there's much room for interpretation in those words. what is it that makes it seem like it's scum realizing their push was invalid over town realizing their push was invalid?

i don't think this is fair? like, he said "spiffy's posting is mostly fine and this slot should probably just be town" so it's not really just the mindmeld, he just likes Spiffeh's posting in general. It also seems like a stretch to list the hydra partner being a factor in the read when he explicitly stated "that doesn't make him scum." Idk I feel like this read on it just lacks nuance in general?

Idk I thought their claim was towny. It makes sense flavour-wise, and while it's possible that, like, Imperium is mafia and they have a strongman which means they can kill whoever they like, it seems like it's unlikely that Ali would design us all these cool roles and then have them all target the same player n1 and n2? It seems more likely that they're telling the truth, why do you think it's a lie?

Just reading these, the general mentality Ausuka is posting under is "I disagree with them..." and that's literally just it. Half of the questions are asking for more elaboration that she ultimately doesn't chase afterwards, it's just so limp and dull. There's no worldbuilding. There's no discerning alignment, just kind of pointing out things she finds weird and that's it. It's like, they see something that's barely understandable, she asks for elaboration instead of drawing something out of it. For the sake of the argument, let's say she's T here. Not one of those questions, after getting the elaboration, is followed up on with constructing how she feels on a particular slot after the explanation.

She did mention having this habit of forming questions weirdly, can anyone back that fact up? I kind of want to draw a comparison between ausuka's baseline questioning process as town. This is potentially a huge incriminatory piece of evidence but if she phrases questions like that in her town games normally, then I should be aware of it.

These questions man, they rustle my jimmies.

[Despair Night]

It's like, she finds a place where she can easily establish a sorting process, ergo different opinions, but it's kind of just letting people know they're wrong through their line of questioning instead of deducing if they are town or mafia for being wrong, hope that makes sense.