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Post Post #1000 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:58 am

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In post 983, Zantetsu wrote:
In post 809, UnaBombaH wrote:My gut-instinct was that scum might've been informed about a PT-cop?
Would explain why my then-assumed guilty on Luca was immediately responded to by a hood-claim and confirmation.
Exactly. The timing is just too cute. Neighbors revealed and BM immediately claims PT Cop and does so with a weak "now that this confusion with Una's situation has been cleared up" which is 100% false posturing.

I was hoping that maybe BM was just reaction testing but he's been given ample opportunity to come clean on that and has not. Another alternative is that he is town just claiming a fake role to get extra oomph behind his reads. He had me, profii, and Norwegian in his scum pool yesterday so that fits. Although why he would not be
pulling this shit
with Norwegian instead I can't say because I'm not inside his head. I have seen town players fake cop claims before. It never ends well, but they do it anyway.
BM's attitude fits the bill on this - all the smileys which just shout to me "like me! pay attention to my posts! see my emotion!"
which at first I read as some weak scum faking but could be genuine. Notice how his attitude has so drastically changed today. Players he was scum reading and whose intelligence he was quite frankly insulting (Norwegian) he's now all buddy buddy with and sending hearts to. He's shut up now and is just watching the game progress, probably with glee as he observes the confusion he's caused. I have definitely seen
players whose ego directs their play like this before. And I explicitly stated that if he's not scum, he's dumb,
and I can see that triggering a town player with
such an ego to do something stupid.

This is the worst case scenario because it means that one of us will get lynched today, flip town, and the other very likely gets lynched tomorrow which sends the game to 4v3 LYLO with all or most town roles claimed which is very close to a scum win.

So BM if you're town who made a fake claim or who is still reaction testing you have to let us know before I get to L-1, preferably well before to avoid the chance that I get lynched and lead to the 4v3 I described.

If BM is scum then I can only say they must have a plan. Or alternately BM is just winging it,
the ego I described above can go do stupid stuff
as scum just as easily as it can as town. In this case my lynch today is not the worst thing because it is a 1 for 1 trade with scum which is fine for town. My biggest concern would be that knowing that this is not the most optimal play for scum means that they probably have a plan and sacrificing Battle Mage is in that plan. If the plan were to have BM claim tomorrow that he was town just making a fake claim then hopefully what I have said here cuts that avenue off.
This is really lame, but kudos for trying. Slightly less kudos for being a douchebag unnecessarily in
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above. :lol:

I'll explain it to you, because it honestly isn't as complicated as you suggest - I'm a cop, I investigated you, you essentially admitted you were scum, now we're (hopefully!) going to lynch you. :lol:
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Post Post #1001 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:00 am

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In post 999, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 997, Battle Mage wrote::facepalm: I'm not quite sure what to say Zant...are you alleging I'm town fake-claiming to get you lynched? :lol:

Quite obviously not true, and no idea why Norweg bought it in 993... :eek:
So what Zantetsu has been saying right now is all a fabrication to get off the hook?
I haven't caught up yet, so I might have missed something - what did he fabricate? I've only got as far as his claim that I'm town who fake-claimed cop. :giggle:
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Post Post #1002 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:08 am

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In post 985, Zantetsu wrote:
In post 818, UnaBombaH wrote:Oh, I can come up with a LOT.
But I've made it a point here that whenever I'm a town-PR, I crumb early, make my claim later with the necessary quotes, and stick to it.
So no, I would never goof around with this as town, and scum!Una can play a lot better than you seem to think I could.
Do you mean, in this game, or on this site?

Are you saying you would never do that as scum? If not, why not? Why construct your meta to disadvantage your scum game?
It's not a disadvantage to my scumgame, it's an advantage to my towngame.
Anyone who goes through the trouble of meta'ing me, will find out that I do this consistently as town -> they are more likely to believe my claims.
I do not do it as scum.
I once crumbed Doc as scum, and guess what. I was scum!Doc. ;)
I don't think it's a disadvantage to my scumgame. I'll just play scum from the VT-perspective to my best ability. :lol:
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Post Post #1003 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:11 am

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Too tired tonight, I'll catch up in the morning!
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Post Post #1004 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:15 am

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I need to take a ~24h break from this game now, but I'm confused about that Zantetsu-post as well.
All I can think of, is that they decided against me being a Cop after all and therefore didn't kill me.
What gives me hope though, is that I wasn't roleblocked either.

We still need to consider BMs claim as a guilty though, so we
will
lynch Zantetsu today.
No way around it.
Zantetsu today, and in the scenario where he flips town, BM is next.
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Post Post #1005 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:17 am

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Yeah i still want to believe BM's claim. But i was a bit surprised by the ferocity of Zantetsu's attack there.
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Post Post #1006 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:18 am

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scum!BM might actually make that gambit IF he felt like Luca was going to definitely be the lynch today, and Luca is their roleblocker. :lol:
That would fit with Zantetsu realizing my potential role (although it was wrong :lol: ) and me still not being roleblocked/killed.
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Post Post #1007 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:19 am

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Oooooh!
Our Jailkeeper might've JK'd Luca! O_O
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Post Post #1008 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:22 am

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Vote Count 2.01



Looker (1): Luca Blight,
Zantetsu (2) : Battle Mage, Unabombah,
Battle Mage(2): Zantetsu, 72offsuit
Riabi (1): Looker,

Not Voting (5): Egix96, Anotora, Churros,Riabi,NorwegianboyEE,


Time Until Deadline (expired on 2020-04-24 19:00:00)
With 11 Alive, It Takes 6 to Lynch.
Last edited by Firebringer on Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #1009 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:22 am

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In post 1007, UnaBombaH wrote:Oooooh!
Our Jailkeeper might've JK'd Luca! O_O
Interesting. That very well could be the case.
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Post Post #1010 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:23 am

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From the wiki:
A Jailkeeper that simultaneously blocks and protects their target is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, provided that any mutual blocking scenarios are planned for during review.
Saudade thought he should protect Luca for the same reason I wanted to check/protect there. :lol:
And since Luca is their roleblocker, BM leaped into action to make sure we don't get two actions tonight.
#WorkingTheoryForWhenZantetsuFlipsTownAfterAll
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Post Post #1011 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:24 am

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It also fits the way they acted when I outed my result!!!
They felt 100% confident I had been blocked, and was talking out of my ass!

In this scenario, the team is Luca-BattleMage-72, or barring a mod mistake, Luca + BattleMage + ??
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Post Post #1012 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:26 am

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But hey, that's just a theory....a BattleMageMightBeScumAfterAll-theory.
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Post Post #1013 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:27 am

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I think we all need a break.
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Post Post #1014 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:03 pm

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If Zantetsu flips scum i’d take another look at that Riabi guy. His interractions recently has been awful. And reflects an unnatural mindset.
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Post Post #1015 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:06 pm

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Also Zantetsu and Riabi both started pushing the "BM could be town fake claiming" theory at the same time.
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Post Post #1016 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:58 pm

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From this:
In post 807, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If Zantetsu and Luca Blight are scums then the most likely teammate is Egix96.

Solve= Zantetsu/Luca Blight/Egix96
Lynch in this order.
Zantetsu, if scum -> lynch Luca Blight, if scum -> lynch Egix96.
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NorwegianboyEE wrote:If Zantetsu flips scum i’d take another look at that Riabi guy. His interractions recently has been awful. And reflects an unnatural mindset.
What happened to your confidence? What happened to what appeared to be near certainty that the game was solved? If your reads were so certain, someone simply asking you to slow down shouldn't shake that certainty.
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Post Post #1017 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:03 pm

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Egix claimed friendly neighbor
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Post Post #1018 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:02 pm

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I haven’t properly caught up but I can already see Una is confbiasing against me.

It seems that whoever is scum out of Mage/Zant, I’m being made to ‘fit’ as their partner?
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Post Post #1019 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:42 pm

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anotora has been prodded. Churros is on V/LA won't be prodded till Tuesday.
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his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #1020 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:05 pm

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In post 1008, Firebringer wrote:
Vote Count 2.01



Looker (1): Luca Blight,
Zantetsu (2) : Battle Mage, Unabombah,
Battle Mage(2): Zantetsu, 72offsuit
Riabi (1): Looker,

Not Voting (5): Egix96, Anotora, Churros,Riabi,NorwegianboyEE,


Time Until Deadline (expired on 2020-04-24 19:00:00)
With 11 Alive, It Takes 6 to Lynch.
@MOD, Unless I missed something, I believe Norwegian is also voting for Zan? He definitely marked a vote for him, and I don't see an unvote from Norwe anywhere.
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Post Post #1021 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:11 pm

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Norweigan unvoted in post #993.
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #1022 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:08 pm

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VOTE: Zantetsu
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Post Post #1023 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:25 pm

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In post 1016, Riabi wrote:From this:
In post 807, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If Zantetsu and Luca Blight are scums then the most likely teammate is Egix96.

Solve= Zantetsu/Luca Blight/Egix96
Lynch in this order.
Zantetsu, if scum -> lynch Luca Blight, if scum -> lynch Egix96.
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NorwegianboyEE wrote:If Zantetsu flips scum i’d take another look at that Riabi guy. His interractions recently has been awful. And reflects an unnatural mindset.
What happened to your confidence? What happened to what appeared to be near certainty that the game was solved? If your reads were so certain, someone simply asking you to slow down shouldn't shake that certainty.
Well, since you asked so nicely.

First of all, Luca has been posting a lot of posts since i jotted down that case, and that’s made me consider alternatives and whether he could be town. Regarding Egix, he claimed friendly neighbor. A role that can be confirmed, and which was crumbed in his first post. Not easy to fake. Meanwhile your posts have been suspicious as hell, especially that part where you were trying to sell a narrative of me being scum if Zantetsu is town. While completely ignoring the implications of Battle Mage’s claim. Assuming Zantetsu were to flip town.

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Post Post #1024 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:26 pm

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VOTE: Zant

This has to happen today regardless. We have to assume at this point that Mage has either caught scum or is scum himself.
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