Mini Normal 2130: Mafia From Home [Game Over]

[Luca Blight]

I’ve only encountered ‘pt cop’ twice before, and on both occasions it was mafia goons fake claiming, and both games featured a Town Neap and a neighborhood containing scum.

It would be a really weird call for scum!Mage to make in this instance, unless he happens to be really confident his partners can carry the victory home.

[Luca Blight]

It also fits the way they acted when I outed my result!!!
They felt 100% confident I had been blocked, and was talking out of my ass!

In this scenario, the team is Luca-BattleMage-72, or barring a mod mistake, Luca + BattleMage + ??

You astound me.

1) Mage was the only one to follow you onto my wagon

2) i wasn’t confident you were blocked, I was confident there had been an error somewhere down the line, because there’s no way you could have a hard guilty against a town neighbor.

3) I can’t believe you think I’d actually claim neighbor with my partner. That’s just stupid.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually that’s the one thing that’s been bothering me too. Isn’t "pt cop" a somewhat archaic term? In every normal i’ve played the role is always called "traffic analyst"
I get that they mean the same thing, but unless this setup is custom and created by the mod himself. I’d find it weird if the role was given out with the name: "pt cop"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Battle Mage’s join date is from 2007. If he were to fake claim the traffic analyzt role and not quote from his role pm. Wouldn’t PT cop be the most suspicious way of naming his role?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does modded games from Firebringer usually carry old-fashioned and custom (not pre-designed) role names?

[Luca Blight]

Glancing back over what transpired, I think Mage is telling the truth. He voted Zant right at the start of the day and listed him as highest scum, and as soon as the neighborhood was revealed he outed his role and result.

Seems legit to me.

[Egix96]

Actually that’s the one thing that’s been bothering me too. Isn’t "pt cop" a somewhat archaic term? In every normal i’ve played the role is always called "traffic analyst"
I get that they mean the same thing, but unless this setup is custom and created by the mod himself. I’d find it weird if the role was given out with the name: "pt cop"

I think the distinction is when the target is the last living person in their PT.

TA => target technically cannot communicate because no longer anyone else to talk to.
PT cop => target is still in a PT even if no one else is.

I'm no expert but I think that's how it works.

[Luca Blight]

Regarding the role name, I believe PT Cop is a slightly stronger version of TA - if my understanding is correct, it can detect someone has access to a pt even if no-one else is in it/using it, but for a TA to detect a pt there has to be at least two players in it.

As they’re two slightly different roles I don’t see why a pt cop couldn’t be included instead of TA, to allow a little more power.

[Luca Blight]

Ah, Egix beat me to it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Regarding the role name, I believe PT Cop is a slightly stronger version of TA - if my understanding is correct, it can detect someone has access to a pt even if no-one else is in it/using it, but for a TA to detect a pt there has to be at least two players in it.

As they’re two slightly different roles I don’t see why a pt cop couldn’t be included instead of TA, to allow a little more power.

Ok i understand now.
Well, then i don’t really have too much doubts. Zantetsu should be the lynch today.

[UnaBombaH]

The fact still remains that we kill the claimed guilty first, and the claimed investigator later if the result isn't correct.
I was just warming the other side of the coin prematurely - IF Zantetsu flips town, BM is scum.

MEANING that they had a weird need to fakeclaim and push for a specific lynch to happen today.

And that made me ask

"why?"

And to that, my only gut-hunch is that "Luca was under pressure for the first time and in risk of being the lynch today."
And and and.......

So if Zan flips town, we need to lynch BM tomorrow, but there's no risk in making preflip association reads here since there are only two outcomes, and they both sure have a "motivation->result" to think about.
I might have a building conf.bias going, sure.
But I'm also the most likely target for a NK tonight, so whatever conf.bias is building within me, it won't be a burden for the team for long.
People SHOULD feel good about potentially lynching Luca tomorrow, because he will fight his lynch to the end, and he is going to be good at it.
It's not going to be an easy task to get you hanged, alignments aside.

[UnaBombaH]

And remember, I REALLY hope Luca is town, because he can definitely be a powerhouse.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Zant is now L-2 just so y’all are aware.

[UnaBombaH]

If/when Zant flip scum, we need more info and reads on 72/Luca.
I still think at least one of them is scum. I know it's not a MUST BE -thing, but I deem it likely if we really have a PT-cop.
That + how 72 acted.

And no one should forget the fact that

my result still SHOULD be a guilty on Luca.

When I flip my role, you can assess the combination yourselves.

The exact result was "not Vanilla Townie".

And being simple, I still say it should've been a "no result" if Luca is really a neighbor.

Meaning that Luca+72 is also still potentially a thing.

Luca saying he would never claim neighbors with their scumbuddy is still just WIFOM until we see flips.

[UnaBombaH]

With that being said, I'm ready to make my exit now.

Here's to hoping Norwegian and Luca are both just town, Churros & Co. will be more active in the coming days, and there's at least a dead thread for discussion.

VOTE: Zantetsu

[Luca Blight]

If/when Zant flip scum, we need more info and reads on 72/Luca.
I still think at least one of them is scum. I know it's not a MUST BE -thing, but I deem it likely if we really have a PT-cop.
That + how 72 acted.

And no one should forget the fact that

my result still SHOULD be a guilty on Luca.

When I flip my role, you can assess the combination yourselves.

The exact result was "not Vanilla Townie".

And being simple, I still say it should've been a "no result" if Luca is really a neighbor.

Meaning that Luca+72 is also still potentially a thing.

Luca saying he would never claim neighbors with their scumbuddy is still just WIFOM until we see flips.

Whether that result ‘should’ be a guilty based on how the role ‘should’ work is irrelevant - he info the mod gave you confirmed that any Town pr you targeted would come up as non-Vanilla, right? So why are we still talking about this?

As for the last line, wifom it may be, but that would be a ridiculous thing for me and 72 to do if we were scum - if one of us flipped red it confirms the other as scum. Is it possibly true? Yes. Realistically? No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A PT cop already confirms the idea that this game would have neighbors so i’m not putting too much faith in the "72+Luca" idea.

[Luca Blight]

And that’s why I revealed my role as soon as Una hinted at a guilty result - so no-one could say I was fitting my role to get around the result.

[Luca Blight]

I was actually considering claiming on D1 to avoid being targeted by a role like Una’s or Mage’s.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The biggest challenge in this game is sorting the scum vs just bad town players.

[Firebringer]

Does modded games from Firebringer usually carry old-fashioned and custom (not pre-designed) role names?

This game was pre-designed. I had no part in the creation of the setup.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote

Would be good to catch up and post my final thoughts/last requests before I die

[Luca Blight]

Should probably wait until Anotora is replaced as well.

[72offsuit]

Most likely scum partners:
Zant: NBEE, Churros, Anotora, Looker, Egix
BM: NBEE, Una, Churros, Anotora, Looker, Luca

Like i said though, dont put much merit to preflip associations

[Luca Blight]

You think Norwegian is the most likely partner for both?