Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[Paragon]

I'm a lot more confident on Taly being scum than eyestott. Just because of the manner of his claim and explaining his previous thoughts on prior day phases. Why do you think Churros is the obvious partner rather than Something_Smart?

When you say “the manner of his claim” which of us are you referring to?

You.

Battle Mage, given your confidence and how we agree on Taly being independently most scummy, isn't a Taly lynch far better than anything else?

[Battle Mage]

It's hard to believe that with a player as good as Taly, town could be doing so dreadfully. I mean, he claims to have correctly identified 4 townies, who were in fact townies, by the start of Day 2 (although worth saying 3 of these were already dead at this point). Very impressive boast, although Taly's voting record doesn't compute with this, as he spent Day 1 voting for a range of different confirmed townies, including ultimately helping to lynch one.

On Day 1, per votecounts, Taly only voted for 1 person who isn't currently confirmed town.

Churros.

Night 1 Result

popsofctown

has died last night. She was:

Spoiler:

Welcome! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have your voice and your vote but no special abilities.
You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Luca Blight

has died last night. He was:

Spoiler:

Welcome! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have your voice and your vote but no special abilities.
You win when the Mafia have been removed or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Lovely. The two people I had almost conclusively as town from EoD1 conversations.

Good morning.

I think there's very low odds I don't support an NDMath lynch today, but I will still do my due diligence and look into the game further regardless.

I made 2 wallposts towncasing

NDMath

EoD1 and you haven't batted an eyelash to it.

I also towncased

Fuzzy

, and I wanted you to critique it because you said it had very poor logic, you never did.

[Taly]

oh. my. god.

i never once thought people would actually think

churros/I

are a team.

BM

, it's evident that the only context you understand this game through is the one your scum PT has fed you.

or if not, you're

i can't find the words, honestly.

I'm a lot more confident on Taly being scum than eyestott. Just because of the manner of his claim and explaining his previous thoughts on prior day phases. Why do you think Churros is the obvious partner rather than Something_Smart?

When you say “the manner of his claim” which of us are you referring to?

You.

Battle Mage, given your confidence and how we agree on Taly being independently most scummy, isn't a Taly lynch far better than anything else?

So you want to lynch someone you can't NK?

I'm sorry. That's stupid.

[Taly]

It's hard to believe that with a player as good as Taly, town could be doing so dreadfully. I mean, he claims to have correctly identified 4 townies, who were in fact townies, by the start of Day 2 (although worth saying 3 of these were already dead at this point). Very impressive boast, although Taly's voting record doesn't compute with this, as he spent Day 1 voting for a range of different confirmed townies, including ultimately helping to lynch one.

On Day 1, per votecounts, Taly only voted for 1 person who isn't currently confirmed town.

Churros.

YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED WITH ME BEFORE

QUIET YOURSELF

[Taly]

I SELF-META'D MYSELF EARLY THIS GAME.

YOUR THOUGHTS EQUATE TO NOTHING IF YOU USE META WITH CONSULTING MY GAMES.

[Battle Mage]

oh. my. god.

i never once thought people would actually think

churros/I

are a team.

BM

, it's evident that the only context you understand this game through is the one your scum PT has fed you.

or if not, you're

i can't find the words, honestly.

Sounds like I'm right then. Throwing lame shade at me like that doesn't make you look any more town.

[Taly]

oh. my. god.

i never once thought people would actually think

churros/I

are a team.

BM

, it's evident that the only context you understand this game through is the one your scum PT has fed you.

or if not, you're

i can't find the words, honestly.

Sounds like I'm right then. Throwing lame shade at me like that doesn't make you look any more town.

BECAUSE I AM DONE COMBATING STUPID THIS GAME.

[Battle Mage]

Taly - do me a favour and don't spam the thread with nonsense. We need to lynch scum today, and if you are town, acting a fool doesn't help. If you actually want to respond to comments constructively, let people say them, rather than bombarding us with crap.

I haven't meta'd you, but if you play like this elsewhere, I assume you must get lynched early ALOT.

It's hard to believe that with a player as good as Taly, town could be doing so dreadfully. I mean, he claims to have correctly identified 4 townies, who were in fact townies, by the start of Day 2 (although worth saying 3 of these were already dead at this point). Very impressive boast, although Taly's voting record doesn't compute with this, as he spent Day 1 voting for a range of different confirmed townies, including ultimately helping to lynch one.

On Day 1, per votecounts, Taly only voted for 1 person who isn't currently confirmed town.

Churros.

YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED WITH ME BEFORE

QUIET YOURSELF

I SELF-META'D MYSELF EARLY THIS GAME.

YOUR THOUGHTS EQUATE TO NOTHING IF YOU USE META WITH CONSULTING MY GAMES.

[Paragon]

I am COMPLETELY confused by your read progression here.

1) Aloratom

is top-town but you had to reconsider him for some reason? For what?

2)

What do you mean by

S_S/Taly/BM

do you mean town or scum? Because you just had all 3 of us at the bottom of your readslist outside of

eyestott

and for you to address any townread on me but not

eyestott

is weird as fuck.

3)

But... it's even more odd regardless of your stance, because even though you've said

Eyestott

is potential scum at possibly 2 points in the above -

(you never really clarified)

- you just gave the alternative that I'm scum and he'll side with me?

Why aren't you trying to see WHY we townread each other? These posts are both dancing around a concrete stance on players without actually assessing us yourself.

And you never elaborated on your

BM slot

read. Like, probably ever? Now's a good time for you to start if you even believe there's a chance we're in lylo.

And ALSO - how am I groupscum?

The only killing non-scum role we know was a

1-shot VIG

and I'm a

2-shot BP

;

it's mechanically impossible for me to be groupscum here, and Blake never adhered to this idea on my slot YET you perpetuate that notion!

You can fail your shot tonight to try and invalidate my claim.

Aloratom is top town and reISOed him to because I want to remain confident of that. You're calling me out for double-checking a read?
Something_Smart, Taly, Battle Mage as possible scum was the hypothesis in that post.
I no longer scumread eyestott like I did before. It'll depend on what the others claim, but currently I believe his claim and thought process he explained. So currently, I think you're hard-buddying him.

Your 2 shot Bulletproof isn't confirmed or confirmable in any way... how do you expect us to use that as a reason to disregard you as groupscum?

A lot of your recent posts have been nitpicking/questioning every possible action/thing I'm doing. I think that's really scum-indicative.

Have you ever lost it like this as scum, Taly?

[Taly]

If you believe

Churros/I

are a team.

You must believe

Blake

wasn't NKed because of her reads, if you're town. She had both of us in a non-lynch pool.

You must also believe that

Churros

replaced into this game with the pure intent of discrediting ALL towncases I've made this game, but he's only focused on about

Fuzzy

You must also believe that I've done NOTHING but defend mislynches this entire time. My read accuracy is the same regardless of my alignment, so how am I a mastermind that only plays a specific way as town and is a complete downgrade from that tonally as scum?

Answer this, or I'm ignoring you.

[Battle Mage]

Eyestott

, can you please make the case for why you think Taly is town?

Meanwhile, reposted for your delectation, some Day 1 Churros highlights:

Anyway, my reads are roughly:

Paragon/Eyecott - very likely town

Pops/Ame - pretty town

Wisp/Yshtar/Allo - more likely town than not

[Math, Luca] - more likely than not to have scum in it

[Fuzzy, Taly] - at least one scum here.

Out of Wisp/Allo/Yshtar, I like Yshtar the most even if you guys can't comprehend. One of the reasons is we're masons with the modifier of not having each other alignments confirmed (but we're still masons got it?). Another reason is a spiritual read (no irony). Not interested on explaining right now.

I'm to some degree confident one of [Fuzzy/Taly] is scum as well, if not both. Especially Taly.

Of his 4 scumreads, 3 are now confirmed town. If Churros is scum, I think he'd stick 1 of his buddies in that upper-tier, so that would be Taly.

Would you hate me even if Taly really is scum though?

Trying to curry favour if Taly is scum, which perhaps he knows to be true.

Allo, wouldn't you be interested in Taly, or at least Fuzzy?

I remember you saying Fuzzy was in your PoE as well, do you think NDmath is the higher odds lynch here or it's just because he already has a wagon on him opposed to fuzzy?

Very keen to be seen to press Taly, but actually remaining open to town lynches too.

I just remembered Ame actually hinted at scum!Taly as well.

Ame, not interested on my beef with him?

Again, trying very hard to be seen to suspect Taly, while his other town suspects are lynched.

Blake, I could settle on Fuzzy for today but what if I tell you I'm getting a deja-vu on your strong TR in Taly? Not budging?

Look at associatives between Fuzzy x Taly that I talked about. Not even a finger of self-doubt?

Tying Taly to Fuzzy, to when Fuzzy-town flips (as he did), it makes Taly seem town.

VOTE: Fuzzy

Joins the bandwagon (3rd joiner) on Fuzzy instead. Not long prior to this, Taly had started OMGUSing Churros too.

[Taly]

Have you ever lost it like this as scum, Taly?

NO. LET ME GO THROUGH MY GAMES AND SHOW YOU MY RAGE MODE AS TOWN AND SCUM.

[Taly]

Also, you guys are 2v1'ing me hard right now

If you want to actually read my thoughts then stop hammering me for a bit.

[Battle Mage]

If you believe

Churros/I

are a team.

You must believe

Blake

wasn't NKed because of her reads, if you're town. She had both of us in a non-lynch pool.

You must also believe that

Churros

replaced into this game with the pure intent of discrediting ALL towncases I've made this game, but he's only focused on about

Fuzzy

You must also believe that I've done NOTHING but defend mislynches this entire time. My read accuracy is the same regardless of my alignment, so how am I a mastermind that only plays a specific way as town and is a complete downgrade from that tonally as scum?

Answer this, or I'm ignoring you.

WIFOM garbage. Disregarded. Happy for you to ignore me, and stop spamming the thread.

[Battle Mage]

Also, you guys are 2v1'ing me hard right now

If you want to actually read my thoughts then stop hammering me for a bit.

How about you let someone make a case before you try and dispute it?

Obviously you're too scared and cornered to let anyone comment on anything. SCUM.

[Battle Mage]

I mean it is worth saying Taly, if you are town, you haven't had a stellar game in terms of reads. But the fact you've pretended to read correctly when actually you just voted for them all day, is dishonest, hence scum.

[Taly]

It's essentially the posts in 725. Note, I've noticed far fewer posts of that nature since I made that post. Though, I can see town!Taly being discouraged to show emotion/personality since he's being scumread for it, and I do apologise if that is the case, Taly!

I just don't have this large of an emotional range as scum, even if I tried.

I don't get so riled or soothed in such a short manner of time as scum because I have 0 reason to when I know a game's outcome before an event happens.

As town, I don't get this luxury. For an example, in my eyes:
If

NDMath

is town, this vindicates my original read on this slot and a major problem since 2 people I've towncased are now lynched, and I either had a change of heart on or had to make a decision to lynch based on nobody agreeing with me.
If

NDMath

is scum, this verifies the narrative that 1 of my towncases have buddied me for whatever reason, and distorts my idea of who else could be scum since I genuinely believed at some point this person's posting was town.

My core perception of this game is changed, that's why it's either really hard for people to read me, or very easy to. I'm simply more calculcated as scum, and even fall into a predisposed subset of emotions within a scumgame that acclimates to the plist and not my personal views that evolve over-time:

Here are my

scum

games, some are in a hydra. Tai is my other head.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=82289 (Hydra,

Tai

head)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=79036 (Hydra... I was a fucking traitor here, the bane of my existence.)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76341 (I was a fucking traitor for the first time and I couldn't deal.)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 (Perfect mafia win.)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76118 (Multi-ball where I was fucking NKed by the other scum faction for being thought of as a traitor.)

Yes, the

NDMath

situation above is WIFOM, just as other ideas I've proposed this game, but it's how my brain works.

It's also a reason why it's hard for people to read me early-game as opposed to late, and why I often last long in games as town because scum can't attach a clear narrative to how I'll behave.

Here are some of my

town

games, the tone changes drastically at different points of the game, from pure solving to screaming-in-all-caps:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=75347 (High-functioning town)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76441

(Tonally most unique game as town)

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10750432 (High-functioning town)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10632037
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=75869 (My LARGEST emotional range in a game outside of this one, probably.)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79447 (Low-functioning town like this game, I flaked from stress.)
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78296 (Another low-functioning town game where I ended up flaking.)

(Moral of the story, being a Traitor is my life story as mafia and FUCK that... I can see why

Blake

is suspicious that I'm traitor here, but nope.)

I'm mid-functioning town here, maybe closer to low. I've had some

"I don't know if I can continue solving"

moments here.

requoting this post since I have to do the homework for ALL of you

[Battle Mage]

Paragon pushing for a Taly lynch over a Churros lynch is definitely another good reason to lynch Churros.

[Battle Mage]

Taly, who do you think the scum are? top pick particularly?

[Taly]

Town Anger
[quote="Merchant's Daughter 2575]IF YOU'RE TOWN YOUR DEATH IS NOT HELPING US EITHER[/quote]
[quote="Merchant's Daughter 2577]THIS IS BULLSHIT[/quote]
[post="MC" 2581]ok rage is subsiding.[/quote]
-

THEN ANSWER MY QUESTION

If it's not frustration littered in my ISO, it's quick bursts of all-caps that dissipate very quickly.

Reason why I didn't continue these anger fits is because I was arguing with two very capable and lovely players and people I enjoy greatly outside of mafia:

Ankamius/Eddie Cane

not this bullshit of scum outing themselves while doing anything they can to discredit me like they've done throughout the game.

....

Go ahead. Read through all my Mafia ISOs. No caps. You'll see what feigned emotion from me is like, and theatre.

Paragon pushing for a Taly lynch over a Churros lynch is definitely another good reason to lynch Churros.

All of your posts center on why we should lynch a person and not clear them in a gamestate where we could be in lylo.

This is why you're scum.

[Taly]

Taly, who do you think the scum are? top pick particularly?

Paragon

. Read my entering wallpost.

Read all of

Paragon's

posts this dayphase.

He is moving around trying to find a grasp on this game that fits and it's not town-indicative.

There a lot of contradictions behind multiple thought processes he has.

And, like with

S_S

, I didn't vibe with his reaction to a massclaim.

[Battle Mage]

If Paragon is scum, Taly scum is less likely.

Likely partners for Paragon: (2 of) Something_Smart, Churros, Aloratom

[Battle Mage]

Yep, I definitely think Churros is the right lynch for today then on that basis.

[Taly]

I mean it is worth saying Taly, if you are town, you haven't had a stellar game in terms of reads. But the fact you've pretended to read correctly when actually you just voted for them all day, is dishonest, hence scum.

YEAH RIGHT.

I towncased 3 people who were all town, nobody believed me.

All my pushes this game have been revered as vanity wagons.

Nobody is on my side this game.

Also, am I horrible with reads as town, a mastermind as town who is so proficient at this game, or scum being dishonest?

Pick one, and leave me be.

[Taly]

As town, I've had relatively the best reads this entire game.