Mini Normal 2128: Normal Mafia - Game Over!

mavsfan41 · Post Post #850 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:16 am

@iDanyboy: this skewing of the timeline of events AND post 834 & 835 makes me think his timeline flexibility is a problem and how frames it with using it to clear himself and to suspect others. It’s a forced premise that appears to push his agenda.

TheTrollie · Post Post #851 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:10 am

I don't follow the bob timeline arg - I need to re-read it when I can focus more, but:

(1) I think the timeline makes sense if Bob is town because town-bob doesn't know on D2 that BB is confirmed town. scum-bob knows D2 that BB is actually a confirmed town mason so it would be more obvious for bob to ask that question D2 as scum and not as town. I am not closely following the arguments mavs and iD are making but it seems like they are arguing the opposite?

(2) I don't think the analysis is worthless, but even without the above, N2 kill shows that mafia want BB dead. There's def reason for scum to leave BB alive to help try to find his mason buddy and also just bc as an early claimed role, he could have been pressured on a lynch in a D2 or D3. Now that they killed BB i think it makes sense to ask the question

(3) most importantly, there is a big difference between BB's claim on d1 and d2. A mason is a lot less of a threat to scum as a mason neighborizer. Once they found out that every night BB was alive meant another person got added to their neighborhood he was a lot more of a threat, and that only happened D2.

This leads me to my next question - does neighborizing resolve before a kill?

Allomancer · Post Post #852 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:27 am

In post 851, TheTrollie wrote:This leads me to my next question - does neighborizing resolve before a kill?

General rule of thumb is that kills do not affect the actions of the killed player.

TheTrollie · Post Post #853 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:21 am

ok so - I'm just throwing this out there but feel free to tell me this is a horrible idea ---

having reread BBs claim - both he and his "mason partner(s) are neighborizors"

then he says "You can take one guess who I neighborized they aren’t around anymore

". Which sounds like they each get to neighborize each night - sounds insane but also sounds like its the only way to interpret his post. That would mean that the neighborhood is potentially 4 players large (BBs partner got a neighbor N1 and they both got one last night...hypothetically). 4/9 players in PT with 1 mason in it and 3/9 players mafia - in that world there is a real chance mafia is in the PT and knows BBs partner while we do not.

i dont think the mason should claim rn but I think maybe some sort of neighborhood claim could help town? I think we should discuss here and the neighbors should discuss in their PT, but it feels like we're at the point where, with this player makeup, and without BB in the game anymore - info on the neighborhood could benefit town more than mafia rn (esp since theres a real chance mafia is in the PT by now).

Maybe I'm crazy. and again, I do not think the mason or anyone in the PT should claim right away but I am wondering what ppl think about this idea in general on D3

Malakittens · Post Post #854 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:24 am

In post 834, bob3141 wrote:
In post 832, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 828, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 826, bob3141 wrote:I was waiting for titus replys. Danny you did hammer far to hasty. Though my gut is saying in that situation any scum not already on the wagon would simply let a townie hammer.

The question today is why kill bbmola now rather than last night. With esp flip i would of thought bbmola nk would be more important than Tweets.
My only guess is that they didn't know that the role stopper acted like a doctor and they were aiming for that instead. They probably also have a role blocker of some sort considering they left Titus alive.

In post 699, Bambi Jay wrote:
In post 697, bob3141 wrote: I think teh interestign thing is that the the town roleblocker was simple. Thus his only use was to block the night kill.

Thus although he cant stop any scum pr. He also had no negative utility. i.e. he cant interfere with other town roles.
Uh... Your reading it wrong.

He was a RoleSTOPPER. They BLOCK people from visiting someone by roleblocking them. They usually also stop kills.

Basically he was a protective that could only protect VTs and Goons.
Going by that logic, weird as it is, Does this seem like a slip from Bob then?

This is fun.

100% proof im town. Wouldnt miss a thing like that as scum. I spend allot of time choosing the nigth kill as scum. Looking at the fliped roles and every player to see how each move would play out.

There is reason in every game im scum that the first scum kill is a pr.

Eh sometimes scum will accidentally slip something like that. So sorry I don’t really use that as a motive to clear you as town just because you ‘mixed up’ wording.

Unless you can prove to me that you do this from a meta view and even then meta can be twisted for agenda

Malakittens · Post Post #855 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:26 am

In post 820, geraintm wrote:I got nothing....

Btw not really liking this opening post

ISO · Post Post #856 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:59 am

In post 851, TheTrollie wrote:This leads me to my next question - does neighborizing resolve before a kill?

Yes

Bambi Jay · Post Post #857 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:03 pm

Dang I was waiting for more interesting content. Hmm.

Any questions not from Bob to me?

iDanyboy · Post Post #858 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:02 pm

In post 853, TheTrollie wrote:ok so - I'm just throwing this out there but feel free to tell me this is a horrible idea ---

having reread BBs claim - both he and his "mason partner(s) are neighborizors"

then he says "You can take one guess who I neighborized they aren’t around anymore ". Which sounds like they each get to neighborize each night - sounds insane but also sounds like its the only way to interpret his post. That would mean that the neighborhood is potentially 4 players large (BBs partner got a neighbor N1 and they both got one last night...hypothetically). 4/9 players in PT with 1 mason in it and 3/9 players mafia - in that world there is a real chance mafia is in the PT and knows BBs partner while we do not.

i dont think the mason should claim rn but I think maybe some sort of neighborhood claim could help town? I think we should discuss here and the neighbors should discuss in their PT, but it feels like we're at the point where, with this player makeup, and without BB in the game anymore - info on the neighborhood could benefit town more than mafia rn (esp since theres a real chance mafia is in the PT by now).

Maybe I'm crazy. and again, I do not think the mason or anyone in the PT should claim right away but I am wondering what ppl think about this idea in general on D3

Seem's like a waste of time.

TheTrollie · Post Post #859 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:18 pm

iDanyboy · Post Post #860 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:22 pm

Each neighbourhood that claims just narrows the pool of who the masons is, and I rather just leave the choice up to the Mason(s) who have the full picture

TheTrollie · Post Post #861 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:38 pm

yeah but if scum knows the mason (which i think they prob do given the math) maybe we should also?

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #862 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:41 pm

In post 826, bob3141 wrote:I was waiting for titus replys. Danny you did hammer far to hasty. Though my gut is saying in that situation any scum not already on the wagon would simply let a townie hammer.

Couldn't you just have unvoted in that case?

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #863 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:44 pm

In post 835, bob3141 wrote:You have a tweet death who is a kill against several mislynches that day. So its unlikely that a player still pushing him towards the end of the day is scum.

Now why kill him when it takes one vote of one to two mislynchs.

Then you have chances that he was killed to simply stop a town block forming. If that is so it increases the odds that allo and dany are town. You have him not wanting trollie or mala.

by odds it most likely makes allo/dany/trolii/mala town. And that nk was so not me. A look at all my scum privates would show you that.

my poe for today mav/bambi/germ/cat

Why is mavs in your pool? MT was against a mavs lynch d1 as well

Bambi Jay · Post Post #864 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:48 pm

In post 861, TheTrollie wrote:yeah but if scum knows the mason (which i think they prob do given the math) maybe we should also?

I mean if we lynch town today we go into LyLo tommorow, I assume. So. Yeah.

Kinda don't want to have 2 people claim Mason tommorow in LyLo.

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #865 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:51 pm

In post 853, TheTrollie wrote:then he says "You can take one guess who I neighborized they aren’t around anymore ". Which sounds like they each get to neighborize each night - sounds insane but also sounds like its the only way to interpret his post. That would mean that the neighborhood is potentially 4 players large (BBs partner got a neighbor N1 and they both got one last night...hypothetically). 4/9 players in PT with 1 mason in it and 3/9 players mafia - in that world there is a real chance mafia is in the PT and knows BBs partner while we do not.

this probably means he neighborized MT n1, right

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #866 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:56 pm

In post 861, TheTrollie wrote:yeah but if scum knows the mason (which i think they prob do given the math) maybe we should also?

I'm not sure what that would get us

Presumably the masons have crumbed in a way that they can prove themselves if needed

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #867 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:56 pm

In post 857, Bambi Jay wrote:Dang I was waiting for more interesting content. Hmm.

Any questions not from Bob to me?

Yeah, who's scum, Bambi?

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #868 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:57 pm

Mala what are your reads

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #869 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:59 pm

VOTE: Bambi

Bambi Jay · Post Post #870 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:06 pm

In post 867, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 857, Bambi Jay wrote:Dang I was waiting for more interesting content. Hmm.

Any questions not from Bob to me?
Yeah, who's scum, Bambi?

Hmmm.....

I shall speak to the elder gods about this.

TheTrollie · Post Post #871 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:15 pm

yes, he neighborized MT, but his partner neighborized someone else.

then last night they neighborized 2 people.

from a non-neighbor-town perspective, unless BB and his partner nailed town 4-for-4, there is at least 1 scum in the PT who knows who the other mason is.

i am starting to think they should claim today

geraintm · Post Post #872 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:59 pm

In post 871, TheTrollie wrote:yes, he neighborized MT, but his partner neighborized someone else.

then last night they neighborized 2 people.

from a non-neighbor-town perspective, unless BB and his partner nailed town 4-for-4, there is at least 1 scum in the PT who knows who the other mason is.

i am starting to think they should claim today

Ah, I was trying to work out why the neighbours should come forward, I couldn't see the point of it but this explains it to me. Thank you

iDanyboy · Post Post #873 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:09 pm

Scum are just sitting back chilling so CSF is probably town at this point.

Malakittens · Post Post #874 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:52 am

In post 873, iDanyboy wrote:Scum are just sitting back chilling so CSF is probably town at this point.

Eh that’s kinda of a soft reason to town read someone. Both town and scum can be active and let’s be real. There’s other people that are louder than CSF and you’re not town reading them.

Also I’m not really a big fan of having the mason claim yet but that’s just me.

I think the mason + the neighbors should talk. You never know they may have all town in it right now and scum are just hoping that everyone says yes so they know who to kill next