Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Trojan Horses]

you arent this bad

For townreading me and WANH?
Do you disagree with WANH being strongly town?

[Trojan Horses]

I am out of my scumrange

[RadiantCowbells]

momentum is a concept

[Trojan Horses]

Momentum is towny and negative impulse is anti-town

[Trojan Horses]

Vecna, y u no answer me about Wonderwall

[Vecna]

Oh yeah, I still had to do that.

Blegh, effort

[Trojan Horses]

Yee it's not a priority so later if too much effort but tl;dr?

[Vecna]

Why do you think it’s a weird vote?

I mean, is your reasoning that SirCakez is faking that gobbles is faking a townslip?

Gobbles could be faking a townslip

Gobbles could have really townslipped

Either way, it’s a bad metric to read him by and I don’t like that cakez is focussing on the “slip” element rather than anything else

The best I can do is quote a bunch of his posts and tell you theres a strong gut feeling there. I feel the posts are genuine, and its really being strong lynchbait, even though I feel all the stuff they said was towny logic and sticking their neck out for the right things.

I lowkey TR Bernadetta but I think it’s just because I enjoy their posting

Selfconcious rambling for the sake of it. I like

The thing they did about calling my predecessor newbtown with the dig in comparison as well.

Its all rather weak, but I feel its enough for it to be my townread over 6 of the other slots on that side (and a bad lynch as a result)

[Vecna]

tldr: I suck at expressing why in such cases

[Vecna]

I was kinda avoiding your question on purpose

[Trojan Horses]

They're Alisae+Menalque right? So hmm
I wonder if lurking out could actually be town indicative for them but I've never played with either and this is loosely based on the general impression I got on one of them at least from other stuff on site

[SirCakez]

10 new pages that's what I like to see

[SirCakez]

I agree with Mastina on WANH being strongly town now.

why? talk about this.

idk

maybe im just not cut out for mafia anymore

but i am garnering approximately 0 enjoyment from any of this

so thoughts on just lynching vecna right now?

-okapoka

lets do it

so thoughts on just lynching vecna right now?

Nope, wouldn't go for Vecna. I think we should shift focus a little bit and get the less active slots to play the game.

what less active slots are you referring to here? all the lurkers have been replaced now.

I want to kill mastina just to make her stop posting. I am not confident about her alignment but I am confident that her turning this into a 250 page nightmare is going to be so not fun I would rather lose. I do not care that mastina will call me scum for posting this.

this

[SirCakez]

VOTE: baezu
I'm in for this. Her recent posts are so scummy.
I want to go back to Vecna at some point though. 2075 and his Ceph case in general suck. 2082 is TERRIBLE. The Wonderwall defense reeks too.
I wish Wonderwall was not coasting on nothing....
farside prob town?

Actually,

before

NSG's analysis, I'd like to hear everyone else's analysis on reactions to the fakehammer, on Mastina, WANH, RC, me.
I personally have one small note about this but I'll say that afterwards.

I kinda liked it for town

I actually think Mastina is town here. Im not completely willing to go crusader mode over it, but the signs for me are here:

I do not think scum would get this worked up over these reasons. This feels like town being angry over injustice. It could be scum being upset about being wagoned for the wrong reasons, but this feels a bit bigger than that.

I am not certain scum would do the early readslists with so many holes. This is a weak point.

I know from a bunch of games, that whenever Mastina has a lot of very strong opinions on slots that go against the grain, and are polar opposites of mine, but she still feels that they are "very obvious correct reads" its usually a towntell.

Tunneling down on RC=scum would not be a smart move to do as scum vs town RC. It is certain to trigger the death tunnel. Bad idea at L1 as scum. Makes sense if thats what u really believe as town about to die.

Have you played with mastina before?

this isnt 2017 anymore vecna

u have no idea what i am capable of

LOL

[farside]

notes continued. Hoping for less garbage post, but knowing it will continue.....sigh

Spoiler:

All I see from jjt is buddying mastina and nothing much of else at this point so moving jjt down towards scum read.
town read on SC at this point.

He posted this exact thing in Wake's Legend of Zelda game (he was scum).

Right. Yes, I was going to mention that it seemed like he was attempting to pocket you.

I smell BS. (notes to recheck TJ iso later)
If mastina thinks RC is scum why is she not pushing on that read of a player that is actiive and can be engaged with over a player that isi mostly MIA?'
Bernatta scum read increased. Throws out reads for no reason and reads as disengaged/lack of scum hunting all together.'
we are not helping is a town read. Going back to null for mastina based on her longer post, disagree on jjt. I have no clue what happened with amrun or why she was MIA for the game.
Funny enough I have a leaning scum read on baeza, but some of it is gut.

@SC: What do you like about JJT from there iso?
stopping on top of page 20. Playing this game again reminds me of the few things i didn't miss when I was gone. Oy.

[SirCakez]

I don't have a good read on jjh atm really

[We are not helping]

Can we wagon jjh instead?

-bitmap

[gobbledygook]

how is it pro-town?

what are you referring to when you say that you're on the same page? on the same page about townreading people who haven't posted yet?

The readslist is pro-town because people start talking about it. Attention is suddenly on Mastina in a way it has been many times before, and will be many times more.

I think we're on the same page wrt mysterious setup things

The more I think about JJH's read on Mastina, the more I think it is TMI and a way to pocket Mastina. I am thinking if JJH is scum, Mastina is town.

I also can't get over his weird interaction with NSG... He said that she should be scumreading him confidently because his play this game resembles his former scumplay. He explained that the difference between his former scumplay and his new scumplay is that he is better able to fake his town enthusiasm as scum. His enthusiasm this game has been very low. It reminds me of his play when I replaced into Big Four Mafia.

VOTE: JJH

pedit:
you're reading my mind

[Trojan Horses]

I also can't get over his weird interaction with NSG... He said that she should be scumreading him confidently because his play this game resembles his former scumplay. He explained that the difference between his former scumplay and his new scumplay is that he is better able to fake his town enthusiasm as scum. His enthusiasm this game has been very low. It reminds me of his play when I replaced into Big Four Mafia.

So what's weird in his interaction with NSG?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Spoiler: Sushi posts before NSG outed fakehammer

This feels like it's on the road to toxicity.

Please stop claiming for no reason.

I'm having flashbacks to the page 10 stuff about mastina and town leaders.

I think it's interesting that there are obvious axes of townbloc in the game. I'm not completely sure what to make of this yet, save to note that it doesn't seem normal.

i really think
that every single scum is trying to lynch nsg right now

Oh really.
Do tell!

Because I think the far more likely option.
Is every single scum is trying to defend nsg right now.

Bam, Shuichi cleared, no takesy backsies.

Spoiler: Sushi posts right after NSG outed that it's a fakehammer

RC, you're willing to take BoP on a Mastina lynch?

Please don't advocate or promote this type of behavior. No one is good enough to do this.

Game's finally getting fun! ^_^

We have exactly opposite ideas of what fun is.

If this game stays this way I'll go into my actual backyard and lynch my damn self.

Hmm, looks like this persona crumbles just as fast in the face of emotion as my other one.

I want to kill mastina just to make her stop posting. I am not confident about her alignment but I am confident that her turning this into a 250 page nightmare is going to be so not fun I would rather lose. I do not care that mastina will call me scum for posting this.

I should have replaced out when I found out that I was going to have to post in the same thread as her.

:megathonk:

Yes, nothing else happened during that time frame at all.

[gobbledygook]

I also can't get over his weird interaction with NSG... He said that she should be scumreading him confidently because his play this game resembles his former scumplay. He explained that the difference between his former scumplay and his new scumplay is that he is better able to fake his town enthusiasm as scum. His enthusiasm this game has been very low. It reminds me of his play when I replaced into Big Four Mafia.

So what's weird in his interaction with NSG?

He’s saying she should scum read him only based off her prior knowledge of his scum play (the lack of enthusiasm as scum vs town) when he is displaying a lack of enthusiasm now. His answer to why we should be townreading him never touched on the enthusiasm portion either.

What’s your read on JJh? And what is the conclusion you want us to draw from 2049?

[Shuichi Saihara]

Vecna, you're either scum or really tunnelled on me just because you think everyone else is town and I'm a genius. If you have any questions for me, I will answer them, but I'm not planning to engage with the rest at this time. If you can't figure out why I am suddenly less engaged with the game I don't know what to tell you, it's very obvious that the toxicity is tilting me.

If it continues to cool down I hope to be able to put my detective hat back on.

Here are some opinions.
I am approaching WANH by trying to read Fire. I don't like that he disappeared.
RadiantCowbells is town. I don't feel the need to engage in paranoia about this right now because I have no shortage of suspects.
Trojan Horses is probably scum, although I may need to think about how much of this is because Auro is my polar opposite.
Lie Ren I have very little opinion about. If someone who is not Vecna would like to try casing them, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I'll wait for them to resume posting.
Vecna sounds a little town in places, but his predecessor was scum and his line of attack on me is nonsense built on contorting himself into whatever shape he needs to be in order to suspect me. I do not think this slot is scum with Trojan, as they are not afraid to push on it but also seem perfectly happy to flip their read on it at random.
Baezu I also have very little opinion about. "I don't remember their posts" is not a compelling case at this stage of the game.
SirCakez feels like scum to me. I have taken issue with his posts a few times if you need receipts.

[We are not helping]

I am approaching WANH by trying to read Fire. I don't like that he disappeared.

read me instead wuss

-bitmap

[Trojan Horses]

He’s saying she should scum read him only based off her prior knowledge of his scum play (the lack of enthusiasm as scum vs town) when he is displaying a lack of enthusiasm now. His answer to why we should be townreading him never touched on the enthusiasm portion either.

What’s your read on JJh? And what is the conclusion you want us to draw from 2049?

I mean, I don't see the inconsistencies in the first part. Yes, he's playing to his previous scum meta, so he expected her to scumread him with that model in mind - so?
And yes, obviously he doesn't expect to be townread from lack of enthusiasm... why would he bring up that when asked what to townread him for?
I'd basically give the same answer as he did to "why should you be townread". I would say I'm scumhunting and progressing the game and all, but any behavior of mine that

I

can

personally

identify as "towny" I believe can also fake as scum, and therefore I can't give a solid answer.

Dunno about jjh, think there's too less to judge personally, but I wouldn't wanna lynch there anyway.

Re: 2049, yeah, what else happened in that while that pissed Sushi off? I'd like to know. It can't be Mastina's behavior, because then he'd express the same sentiments before. I'm implying that it seems like he's scum annoyed that the hammer wasn't a legitimate one, due to the tonal shift.

[Trojan Horses]

because Auro is my polar opposite

That much is definitely true