Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[gobbledygook]

TH, what do you find scummy about Jormengand and SirCakez?

I find Vecna very towny.
SirCakez: is chill with people pushing him which is a self-professed scumtell, was subtly sheeping RC's stances on things, not really having much progression on slots, thinks someone shading him is "a good sign" versus when I do the same he "doesn't get the same vibes" when I bring it up, etc.

As one of your slot's only two votes (with the other being apparently very townie) you're going to have to do more than just say "etc"
What are the "etc" reasons?

[Trojan Horses]

As one of your slot's only two votes (with the other being apparently very townie) you're going to have to do more than just say "etc"
What are the "etc" reasons?

gut

[gobbledygook]

When did I say I did anything scummy? I haven't you're the one alleging that.
Your case is incredibly shallow, and I am surprised you scumread that I am "pursuing a logical argument" after WF. wth?
The things you've been pushing so far have all been shallow.

You roll scum again Gobble?

It's a gut scum read on you and JJH

[gobbledygook]

TH, what do you find scummy about Jormengand and SirCakez?

SirCakez: is chill with people pushing him which is a self-professed scumtell

Why are you using this as justification for SirCakez scumread when if it is a self professed scumtell, wouldn't he is obviously aware of it being a scumtell and thus it should be NAI akin to the earlier discussion you and I had about JJH?

[Trojan Horses]

@the gut thing: Sure.

This game I'm probably going to cut short engagement on attacks on me, and I feel that you're approaching me in bad faith anyway (from your response to my explanation what I believe jjh meant, framing it as "logical therefore scummy" when I was literally doing "logical" the entirety of WF and hell, was accused of being scum because I "lacked emotion" so) so don't expect any further engagement from me after this. I think that you're not stiff makes you town, but your lack of understanding/incorrect interpretations of a lot of things leave me doubting.

Why are you using this as justification for SirCakez scumread when if it is a self professed scumtell, wouldn't he is obviously aware of it being a scumtell and thus it should be NAI akin to the earlier discussion you and I had about JJH?

Because here it

is

a matter of capability. You can be aware of your scumtells and yet fail to act on them as town, which I am arguing is the case here. (Eg. he doesn't feel enough emotion to lash out or aggressively push back on people scumreading him, or thinks it'll come out awkward and scummy if he tries to since he doesn't really believe it). jjh has faked what he was arguing had been his scum meta in more recent scumgames.

[Trojan Horses]

fail to act on them as scum

Correction.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I still suspect the "good sign" post was sarcastic and meant for the scum thread.

[Trojan Horses]

I still suspect the "good sign" post was sarcastic and meant for the scum thread.

I noted that this was a good observation before, and I still think it is.
If you want to place your first non-Trojan vote... let's do it

VOTE: SirCakez

[Trojan Horses]

I still suspect the "good sign" post was sarcastic and meant for the scum thread.

Yeah and if he actually meant it in the sense of "oh great it's a good sign since scum are trying to divert to me since I had the correct solve" then this is weird:

I feel you're just using this interaction to attempt to make me look bad though

Isn't that a good sign?

Define good sign

I was poking you.
In the same vein as Vecna shading you being a good sign... no?

The explanation that I "give different vibes" is also weird.

[gobbledygook]

I still suspect the "good sign" post was sarcastic and meant for the scum thread.

I think you both reading too much into the good sign post. It read to me as Cakez saying it sarcastically and not that it meant Vecna was a townread because of it.

[Trojan Horses]

I still suspect the "good sign" post was sarcastic and meant for the scum thread.

I think you both reading too much into the good sign post. It read to me as Cakez saying it sarcastically and not that it meant Vecna was a townread because of it.

B/c scum would be looking to put new lynch candidates on the table here since Jormun/Vecna was turning into the designated lynch for Game Halloween.

[gobbledygook]

Yes. I am aware of that post. How do you interpret that post as Cakez saying Vecna is town?

[Trojan Horses]

Oh nevermind, read the opposite.

[gobbledygook]

Oh nevermind, read the opposite.

Is this you saying you read the opposite of that post and are conceding my interpretation is correct? Or just saying you read the opposite?

[Trojan Horses]

Gob's interpretation is correct and no one said he implied Vecna was a townread
allegation is that it's for scum PT

[gobbledygook]

Why would Cakez post that in the scum pt? And that wasn’t your interpretation, or at least how you framed your interpretation as mattering to your scumread on Cakez.
Why would Cakez reveal as scum his scum meta when he is playing to said scum meta (re: not responding with passion to pushes)?

[SirCakez]

wtf are you on about here TH?
it's obvious what I meant

[SirCakez]

what less active slots are you referring to here? all the lurkers have been replaced now.

Baezu? Elmoh Teh Azn?
Perhaps throw in Lie Ren in there too, given Vecna scumreads him as well?

fair enough here

SirCakez has such a damn linear progression. Not even an ounce of indication that anything ive written at all has has made him even consider changing his opinion

Cuz you keep making scummy posts

I'm getting sick of Trojan misrepping me. I've already explained why I'm not freaking out on pushes here and how I'm not sheeping RC and they're just flat-out ignoring it for their own agenda.

[Baezu]

i have no interest in wagoning vecna rn

Why not when you've been stating you scumread me pretty badly?

I do not get your thoughts this game RC.

I think youre most likely town, but I for the life of me, really cannot see a trajectory in your thoughts.

This is pretty much the reason I'm convinced RC is town

[SirCakez]

I think Vecna slot is scummy -> scum need someone else to put on the lynch table who isn't Vecna -> Vecna immediately starts making me look bad and discrediting me in his entrance = good sign Vecna is scum trying to put someone else on the table

[Shuichi Saihara]

Why would Cakez post that in the scum pt?

If the scumteam is doing badly (as I suspect they are), and Vecna coming in were creating some frustration that they might no longer be able to get the Jorm mislynch they really needed, then "oh, great, fuck me" is a sentiment I see as likely to come about.

I'm not putting all my eggs in this basket or anything, but I can't get it out of my head either.

TH trying to use it as an olive branch is... hm. I appreciate the sentiment.

[Shuichi Saihara]

I think Vecna slot is scummy -> scum need someone else to put on the lynch table who isn't Vecna -> Vecna immediately starts making me look bad and discrediting me in his entrance = good sign Vecna is scum trying to put someone else on the table

I stumble over the last part a little, but sure, maybe.

[SirCakez]

idk what else to say on this other than I find it ridiculous that it's being construed as a scumslip

[Trojan Horses]

TH trying to use it as an olive branch is... hm. I appreciate the sentiment.

Yo, it's the only thing we agree on all game
Vote vote vote get that slot to L-2

[Shuichi Saihara]

Fine, this game needs wagons.

VOTE: SC