Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Shuichi Saihara]

And my Wonderwall push had hit a brick wall.

Did it, though? Did you try to push for a wagon on them and get everyone saying no? I just don't remember anyone being strongly opposed to lynching them at any point, so I don't see why that would've happened. Why doesn't this make you more determined to push them, if anything?

[Trojan Horses]

I mean I understand why some other people are TRing Vecna I just don't buy into it myself. You TRing Vecna doesn't make you scummy automatically. Like RC (who is strongly TR) is TRing Vecna now but I'm not finding him scummy.
I think that's what you're addressing there?

Sure, but you weren't townreading me at that point, were you? (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
I was playing directly into what you were offering as the scum agenda (of diverting to you) though, and you accused me of trying to make you "look bad" so I feel that if you were town you'd naturally get similar vibes to Vecna doing it.

[We are not helping]

ty trojan im assuming this one is auro im going to go consult my teammates now

also nobody responded to me about baezu just a headsup lolol

-oka

[Trojan Horses]

I haven't been getting annoyed at people pushing me because I haven't had a serious chance of being lynched until now. I already said this

Yes, and I said that as an extension I'd expect you to push back stronger to vocal players pushing you as well, not just when you're at lynch range. I could be wrong, but still although this sorta thing is verifiable to some extent, when you say you react strongly towards getting mislynched would you also claim you're chill if it's only one or two slots that push you hard?

[Trojan Horses]

also nobody responded to me about baezu just a headsup lolol

Can you re-quote? Missed it
I like Baezu for her readslist, makes me less interested in pursuing her Gobbles read at the moment.

[SirCakez]

And my Wonderwall push had hit a brick wall.

Did it, though? Did you try to push for a wagon on them and get everyone saying no? I just don't remember anyone being strongly opposed to lynching them at any point, so I don't see why that would've happened. Why doesn't this make you more determined to push them, if anything?

I mean I don't know else what else to do for a push? Spam the thread telling people to vote them? Case them I suppose but I HATE writing cases because no one reads them anyways. Yeah I suppose I wasn't strong about it.

I mean I understand why some other people are TRing Vecna I just don't buy into it myself. You TRing Vecna doesn't make you scummy automatically. Like RC (who is strongly TR) is TRing Vecna now but I'm not finding him scummy.
I think that's what you're addressing there?

Sure, but you weren't townreading me at that point, were you? (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)
I was playing directly into what you were offering as the scum agenda (of diverting to you) though, and you accused me of trying to make you "look bad" so I feel that if you were town you'd naturally get similar vibes to Vecna doing it.

No I had you hovering around null at the time (before Vecna showed up). There were many other scummier players. You're sinking though tbf because your misrep doesn't feel like a town perspective and like you said, you're keeping up this shading on me and your argument has a bunch of holes. But no I didn't just snap you to a SR because you TRed Vecna. You didn't even vocally defend them, to my recollection?

I haven't been getting annoyed at people pushing me because I haven't had a serious chance of being lynched until now. I already said this

Yes, and I said that as an extension I'd expect you to push back stronger to vocal players pushing you as well, not just when you're at lynch range. I could be wrong, but still although this sorta thing is verifiable to some extent, when you say you react strongly towards getting mislynched would you also claim you're chill if it's only one or two slots that push you hard?

Yeah for the most part. IDK it's been a long time since I've been mislynched and there are always a few meta exceptions. Call this backpedaling if you want.
I wish I remembered the name of that pieguyn game where I committed suicide via game mechanic because of how strongly everyone was pushing me

[Trojan Horses]

would you also claim you're chill if it's only one or two slots that push you hard?

As in that that's something that's happened in post games you can bring up*

[SirCakez]

I'm sure I could find games but like I said it's been ages

[SirCakez]

I don't really feel like digging at the moment though because I feel like you're just gonna find a way to twist it against me

[Trojan Horses]

No I had you hovering around null at the time (before Vecna showed up). There were many other scummier players. You're sinking though tbf because your misrep doesn't feel like a town perspective and like you said, you're keeping up this shading on me and your argument has a bunch of holes. But no I didn't just snap you to a SR because you TRed Vecna. You didn't even vocally defend them, to my recollection?

Yeah so if you weren't townreading me anyway my point holds, no? And I did call Vecna town, I did attack you. Just TRing Vecna wouldn't be basis to snap think I'm scum, but not "getting that vibe" when I was also attacking you at the same time when you had just gotten it as a gamestate vibe from Vecna - that's my basis.

[SirCakez]

like I'm happy to engage but it's frustrating when I explain myself and then you always go "oh but" "oh but" "oh but"
it just feels like I'm not really being listened to

[SirCakez]

and we're just getting into nitpicky semantics at this point anyways

[Trojan Horses]

I don't really feel like digging at the moment though because I feel like you're just gonna find a way to twist it against me

Well, then you can similarly poke holes in my twisting of it and show everyone why I'm scum?

like I'm happy to engage but it's frustrating when I explain myself and then you always go "oh but" "oh but" "oh but"
it just feels like I'm not really being listened to

Apologies, man, if you're town. I have a tendency to push hard on stuff. The "Oh buts" aren't me finding something else to respond with, but simply more detailed explanations from my perspective. I just don't find your defenses invalidating my arguments.

I will say I'm playing in good faith

and we're just getting into nitpicky semantics at this point anyways

Cool, let's move on from this for now, and talk about other reads then? Although I really need to sleep now so tomorrow for me at least

[Trojan Horses]

Oh you meant in PT, ok

[Trojan Horses]

also nobody responded to me about baezu just a headsup lolol

Meant to quote this^

[SirCakez]

I feel I have poked holes via my explanations of my prior posts. But yeah I think this engagement will not produce any more of use to either of us right now, I'm getting frustrated and I think other peoples' inputs will be good. And dw I'm not taking it personally.

Also I changed my mind b/c I think if you are town this will help: here's a good game to look at me getting mislynched under high pressure. I remember this one better than others because I got so pissed off in it: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=77774
I got really frustrated with the whole playerlist pretty much in that game, especially Gorkington who your push kinda reminds me of.

[SirCakez]

It was a one-lynch game where I spent literally the whole game as the top wagon
so that's the kind of "mislynch frustration" I'm referring to under my town meta

[SirCakez]

here's another good one: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77611

[Trojan Horses]

And dw I'm not taking it personally.

Great! thanks.
I'll look into those tomorrow! Although I'm searching for examples of you -not strongly reacting- to say someone like RC hard pushing you. I already believe that you'd react strongly to the town mislynching you.

[SirCakez]

I will dig around

[gobbledygook]

lmao why would sircakez reveal his scum meta and then play to it lol

I mean, it's not like it's some secret no one knows, right? Pretty sure someone's familiar with that meta. If he didn't mention it when I asked him about his self-meta, someone else would and that'd be a bad look for him
Plays to it because inability to play against it?

@Sircakez, have you ever revealed your own scum meta to this level publicly or to anyone in this game?
@everyone else, where to aware of this scum meta of SirCakez?

[SirCakez]

I feel like I've never hidden my meta? No one's really asked me about it like this before.
I have expressed my hatred of being mislynched before for sure.

[RadiantCowbells]

The way Auro is pushing people doesn't feel like genuine solving it feels like very measured systematic attacks on people where when one head of the hydra gets cut off Auro shifts to calling them scum for an entirely different reason or a variation

[Trojan Horses]

RC's assessment is partially accurate.

[Trojan Horses]

where when one head of the hydra gets cut off