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Post Post #1950 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:16 am

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clidd, Maduisha, word321,

With 3 alive it's 2 to lynch


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Post Post #1951 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:21 am

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Good morning.

I feel that the last scum helped me by killing Skitter. During the night, I had prepared a read considering that she is scum:

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I feel that Skitter's ISO is pretty bad in the current game state.

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She has a reasonable number of posts, but the content is quite null.

-> I didn't appreciate that mention of
''I can pretend it, don't trust myself because of it''
. What's the point of saying that ? if you are a town, it is obviously not smart to trust anyone, but you are naturally advantageous in allowing other people to trust you, as it is easier to direct votes so that your scumreads are lynched, thereby increasing your chances of victory. I theorize, however, that
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would be trying to win towncred by mentioning this. The fourth line was also unnecessary from a town perspective, as there is an implication that "even if I'm a scumread of yours, I can get you to be lynched." And it is interesting that Menalque mentioned it after she managed to force a lynch on him by playing relatively passively, something she claims in the last line as an attempt to make a reverse impression on Menalque's perception of this possibility to repeat itself. In other words, wifom.

~ -> Reactions to my accusation, so far so good. The problem is that she simply stops commenting on this and I also did not extract any kind of read about me, especially with my post 79 and 80 that were ignored. Her next read only happens in post , about GW, which at the time was claiming that my interpretation was an "attack" on Skitter, so I believe it was not advantageous for
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to go into details on this subject , to avoid exposure, especially since GW was already defending.

-> Associations were not developed, it seemed to me more vague attempts to subtly spread paranoia between Datisi and TRQ. When asked by Menalque in post , the answer in post was evasive, as if he did not want to unconsciously hand over which of the peers was on his mind to answer Menalque's question, since it was possible that the fact that the question did not have a specific direction was purposeful to check which Skitter pair would mention. In this context, it would be more natural if she had referred to Marashu / TRQ, which was the line on which the word '' pairing '' was.

-> Particularly, it bothers me the simplicity with which she announces her reads without an explanation in sequence. It is not necessarily scummy, but it remains vague and has no window for questioning unless you engage directly with it. I believe that
Town!Skitter
would have no problem with being transparent about this.

-> Attempt to link Marashu to GW, so that once the Marashu flip occurs, suspicions would increase over GW to be lynched the next day.

-> Most of the reasons are understandable, but item 4 is a very futile reason to mention it from the
Town!Skitter
perspective, because a bad opening is not necessarily an isolated scummy criterion. I believe that the item was only added to fill space.

-> Hum, interesting read.

-> This ignorance is extremely superficial. I believe that the menalque point in post is extremely valid, considering that
Town!Skitter
could consider Menalque's help initially and, if that didn't show a significant evolution for the game, she could reconsider, as well as the rest of the players. This pseudo '' I don't trust you '' seemed much more an attempt to simulate a scenario of distrust between the two slots due to the lack of information, than necessarily a natural attitude of caution. If you pay attention, I was in a higher position of TR than Menalque, even though it was my first game with her. Theoretically, if she has played with Menalque several times, she probably already knows
Scum!Menalque
and
Town!Menalque
, so it is more reliable for her to work together with him than with me, since she does not know my scum game. . It seems to me a non-characteristic incompetence of the game
Town!Skitter
.

-> I didn't like the lack of paranoia about my slot.

-> Yes, she knew that Marashu was scum beforehand.

-> Insisting on Marashu's lynch after redirecting to the opposite wagon, as she knew that with the flip being town and, theoretically, Marashu being lynched the next day, the credits received by the hardbuss would increase exponentially.

-> This question seemed very innocent (on purpose).

-> I think this is funny, because she seemed very serious about
Scum!Marashu
, but when I posted my gigantic analysis speculating about him being scum, she made only a few general comments (1421, 1422, 1423) but then she started to ask herself if it would be tunneling. Evidently, this did not seem to me a competent change of opinion that I would expect from Town! Skitter, as she never considered
Scum!Marashu
+
Scum!Clidd
, which I believe would be plausible speculation given the fact that I am vigorously defending him, even with the absurd inactivity. In other words, it was basically an excuse for her to redirect the vote to someone other than her partner.

~ -> Here she considered the possibility of busses, which is contradictory to the statement of post , where she suggests that because she voted for Marashu D1, she would not be a potential partner, and in this scenario, she herself stated that the partner could be doing a Marashu bus. I believe that
Town!Skitter
would not be negligent in that way.

-> That's not true, he just wanted to work with her. I don't understand how
Town!Skitter
wouldn't see Menalque's help as positive. In reality, it is more likely that
Scum!Skitter
was afraid to interact directly to prevent him from being able to read her alignment correctly.

-> It is absurd to imagine that
Scum!Menalque
would make a move like that with
Town!Skitter
in the game. I believe that Skitter lacked a little more analytical reasoning.

-> You were not killed because you are scum, simple.

-> Considering that she spent considerable time speculating on
Scum!Menalque
/
Mala
, it is strange that she suggested Marashu as a preference. It seemed to me that she wanted to leave two options open so as not to show bias in her particular choice.

->
???
I literally forced the last mason to reveal itself and Skitter apparently saw Datisi as a scum because of Malakittens' previous opinion about him fishing the day before.

~ -> I believe it is unrealistic for
Town!Skitter
not to have a paranoia about me being scum, especially after forcing a PR claim. Apparently, the fact that I also suspect Datisi, but in the Skitter / Datisi order of lynch, motivated Skitter to automatically pull Datisi, as the next lynch would be in lylo, so Skitter could use this event against me, although he did not comment. after witnessing.

-> This apology struck me as an '' sorry about your misslynch ''.

-> This is not a logical conclusion. She is basically using a Datisi phrase to justify a next vote. I believe that
Town!Skitter
would try to take into account the eventuality of the masons, which I caused earlier, to justify the vote. This sheep struck me as an attempt at emotional appeal from
Scum!Skitter
, who was already aware of what the flip would be.

-> Basically this was a scum-claim, as I perfectly theorize that
Town!Skitter
would take many factors into account before deciding, in fact, the next lynch. Unlike me and Word, she is an SE player, who already has experience with lylos and pre-lylos. In my opinion, this was a major mistake that would not be made by
Town!Skitter
, taking into account all the town progression that she had over my slot. Not to mention, of course, the fact that Datisi has publicly confirmed that she didn't know who was sure who the scum would be, so I don't believe that all the reads she got about me during the game would be discarded this way.
Scum!Skitter
is real here.

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Conclusion:
Skitter isn't a woman at all. She's a spider, a spider at the center of a web: criminal web with a thousand threads and she knows precisely how each and every single one of them dances. I was very close to not detecting her connection with Marashu because of the hard-buss and also for the eloquent way in which she played her part and instructed Marashu to do the same. I'm flattered that she kept me alive until then, but I believe that after Menalque left, she became very transparent in the sense of reading. Although I am late in this conclusion, I believe that I owe apologies to TRQ, Datisi, Malakittens, Menalque and Maduisha for my inconsequential performance in denouncing the second mason, but I intend to correct that at this point. Of course, I'm depending on Word so that Skitter is lynched today and punished for her criminal acts against our alignment. So if there were any doubts about me or Skitter, I would like to clarify them using the entire morning period we have, so that you can make the right decision, Mr Word.
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Post Post #1952 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:25 am

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Considering this change in perspective, would you like to say something, Maduisha and Word ?
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Post Post #1953 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:29 am

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Ah, clidd, u made me laugh rly hard rn. To actually arm and defuse a bomb urself. I was expecting skitters death; not THIS though. Thats a very bold move.
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Post Post #1954 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:30 am

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The last day has begun. I suppose now we make our cases.
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Post Post #1955 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:32 am

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We would lose if Skitter hadn't died. Fortunately, the last scum made a major mistake.

Maduisha is a lot more towny than you, by the way.
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Post Post #1956 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:35 am

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That we both agree; Mad is more towny than me. We can exchange votes and make her (not) declare intent if u want.
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Post Post #1957 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:36 am

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Not that I'm accusing you, obviously. But your reaction in post was quite strange.

My post was meant to be an introduction to my case of Skitter being scum, I don't see anything unusual about it.
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Post Post #1958 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:36 am

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First of all, I am confused as to why am I still left alive.

Secondly... if I was already pretty sure Clidd is town, him writing a scum!Skitter case only for it to be useless because he killed her sounds to me like 4D chess if were to be scum, or a town confirmation, and I choose the most likely option of the two. That leaves me with Word as solution through PoE.
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Post Post #1959 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:37 am

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Don't cross yet, Word.
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Post Post #1960 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:41 am

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But lets face the real facts at hand. Skitter was objectively the perfect lynch for u. I rly blv that the match would have ended if she was still alive no matter what. It would be dumb to lynch there for a small chance of appealing to wifom, with her already having declared intent to lynch u. The drawbacks far outweight the benefits. Ur whole point of post was to begin planting a wifom.
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Post Post #1961 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:41 am

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...for gods sake, its blatantly obvious
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Post Post #1962 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:42 am

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Its no 4D chess at all, he would lose with skitter, he killed skitter and now posted the whole thing to gain the last cred
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Post Post #1963 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:42 am

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There are evidences planted all over D3 and D2
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Post Post #1964 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:43 am

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Why would I, as scum, kill skitter? I rly doubt her opinion would have changed at all
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Post Post #1965 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:43 am

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wifom for wifoms sake
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Post Post #1966 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:43 am

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In fact, I figured Maduisha would be killed because there would be a scum between you and Skitter.

Skitter and you were exchanging townreads, so it would be wiser to eliminate Town!Maduisha to secure a 2v1 in the endgame.
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Post Post #1967 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:44 am

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In post 1963, word321 wrote:There are evidences planted all over D3 and D2
What do you mean there's traceable evidence of his plan since D2? Care to illustrate it. I saw the link you posted before, but that's from D3 alone...
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Post Post #1968 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:46 am

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On second thought, it's pretty weird scum!You kill Skitter in this scenario. It looks more like a gambit.
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Post Post #1969 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:46 am

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Sorry for the lack of correct punctuation there. I'm half asleep...
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Post Post #1970 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:49 am

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Hey Maduisha, do you think Scum!Word would kill Skitter ?
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Post Post #1971 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:51 am

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In post 1970, clidd wrote:Hey Maduisha, do you think Scum!Word would kill Skitter ?
No. That's why I said before hanging Datisi that I was sure I'd be dead. I'm not sure what was the thought process here.
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Post Post #1972 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:55 am

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In post 1967, Maduisha wrote:What do you mean there's traceable evidence of his plan since D2? Care to illustrate it. I saw the link you posted before, but that's from D3 alone...
He has done the minimum necessary push on mara to still be considered town. From D1 he has cast suspicion on the SE slots. Every single major event, like revealing mala, has a rly practical beneffit for him as scum, including the last revelations. His whole interaction with datisi yesterday. His analysis of skitt immediatly after she is killed, the only course of action that could lead him to victory.

He fits every single requirement to be a scum playing consistently with his benefits. I cant rly believ u r actually considering me more scum without having once stated or developed a solid case that is not sheeping on clidd being townie for "trying hard". Just look at ANY matches he has had as mafia, including this; does it looks like a sloppy mafia to u? One that would not use every method like writing an analysis of skitter previous death just bc it means more work?
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Post Post #1973 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:56 am

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Not matches he has had at mafia, matches of the game mafia
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Post Post #1974 (ISO) » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:58 am

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Just try isoing him with a scum lense, at least once. Analysis the data, the actitudes, the advantages and disadvantages of taking every action in this match as town and as scum.
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