Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[springlullaby]

Also, I'm fine with voting end day.
Farkscum is obscum is what I'm saying.

[Ginngie]

Cool, I'm feeling much better than I was earlier. I had a nap, finished watching

Archer

, made myself a primo quality homemade quesadilla, played Rainbox Six Siege with my mates while drinking a silly amount of whiskey, won some matches, ran out of whiskey, lost some matches, started in on the rum, and remembered I had both ginger beer and lime juice, so made myself a Dark & Stormy.

I'm feeling hella better. Thanks for being supportive, you guys, especially Ame and Ginny.

Still happy with my SL vote. choo choo.

Going to bed now <3

this is a town pine

[springlullaby]

Quest leader vote pledges:

springlullaby quest leader (3):

springlullaby, mastina, ame

Not voting (10):

Pink Ball
Raya36
Pine
Ginngie
Lady Chloe
momo
Flight of the Conchords (secret hydra)
Not Known 15
Farkset (Farkran + Kerset)
Hectic

Pledge your vote before entering the quest, or you will be deemed scummy.
This is to ensure no wiggle room at night.
If you are against the idea, please say so and explain.

.... public service announcement ....

DO NOT VOTE FOR THE AXIS OF EVIL

.... /public service announcement ....

[springlullaby]

Cool, I'm feeling much better than I was earlier. I had a nap, finished watching

Archer

, made myself a primo quality homemade quesadilla, played Rainbox Six Siege with my mates while drinking a silly amount of whiskey, won some matches, ran out of whiskey, lost some matches, started in on the rum, and remembered I had both ginger beer and lime juice, so made myself a Dark & Stormy.

I'm feeling hella better. Thanks for being supportive, you guys, especially Ame and Ginny.

Still happy with my SL vote. choo choo.

Going to bed now <3

this is a town pine

Tell town Pine that he sucks.

[Raya36]

HURT: springlullaby

Come on, why aren't more people voting this? Ame, Pink Ball, Raya... etc get on here please.

I'd have expected springlullaby if actually a town voyeur to have brought it up more often, and argued the fact she shouldn't be captured because her actions can be verified. She hasn't mentioned her role once since claiming it.

I don't think spring is scum

BTW, Hectic is faking a tunnel now.

I haven't seen that before.

Why do you say he's faking it?

Sigh, who should I vote then, Ame? I think Pink Ball, Giingie, and momo are probably worth looking into.

Why ask Ame and not decide for yourself?

springlullaby and Farkset,

May you both kindly

quiet down

?

It is hard enough to filter this game with 2/3 top three posters argue and bicker for pages on end, but for you both to assume I and other players pick sides is a scum-motivation or scum-favored tactic on both of you.

I'm speaking to you, Farkran, who deem Ame and I as potential associatives to potential springlullably-scum without even consulting our opinions of her, which is an easy excuse for you.
I'm speaking to you, springlullaby, because your voting is inconsistent and it's difficult to navigate where you want this day to go, you calling for my opinion is dismissive of what I try to tell you.

If you both believe the other is scum, then drop the conversation, and negotiate with other players.

This goes nowhere.

This is town! Not only does it encourage the tunneling to become something productive but it also supports making it easier for those not participating much to join in.

Cool, I'm feeling much better than I was earlier. I had a nap, finished watching

Archer

, made myself a primo quality homemade quesadilla, played Rainbox Six Siege with my mates while drinking a silly amount of whiskey, won some matches, ran out of whiskey, lost some matches, started in on the rum, and remembered I had both ginger beer and lime juice, so made myself a Dark & Stormy.

I'm feeling hella better. Thanks for being supportive, you guys, especially Ame and Ginny.

Still happy with my SL vote. choo choo.

Going to bed now <3

this is a town pine

I agree with this


I need a bit to think about the quest leader

[Ame]

Also 556 is from Kerset, i think he's asking what RPG mechanics are you referring to, which would be xp and levelup.

My question is why do you ask?

Lady Chloe, and to a lesser extent you for wanting springlullaby as a leader, are dependent on her flip.

So if Spring flips town you think Lady and I are scum TMIing her? And if she flips scum Lady is chainsawing her? Why am I not town simply town reading her. Do you think the points you've brought up for scum!spring are strong? Also you've put Lady in a position where she is scum in either case: TMIing for potentially supporting a Spring vote, chainsawing for voting end of day. This comes off to me as a bad faith push as you are preparing to conclude that she is scum in either case.

This is correct - including the "not so easier" part. However, do you (@Ame) disagree that the town is fractured around springlullaby and that we can clearly identify those who are protecting her and those who are attacking her? Have you been wondering why? I find it hard to believe there are reasons so extreme to lean springlullaby town as to see people willing to end the day instead of capturing - anyone, not just springlullaby - just to save her. Just as it is weird to me to see people advocating for springlullaby as a quest leader. It's an unbelievable level of confidence at this point in time, but you are also part of these people and i wonder if i have been missing something, because i don't particularly scumread you, if i take you independently of springlullaby.

I think scumreading Spring is rather odd at this point. And I think it's suspicious that you haven't been able to give me a clear answer on who specifically you would read based on each flip. If it will be easier to see who is protecting/chainsawing, then you should be able to just imagine that she has flipped and tell me who you scum/town read, yes? I feel like you may not be reading Spring with sincerity and that perhaps your distaste for her play so far is biasing your judgment?

[Ame]

Raya, what do you like about the Pine post? Have you played with Pine before?

[Ame]

Also Raya, what are your thoughts on Ginnie. And on Farkset's and Hectic's Spring push?

[Pine]

Am I accused of spamming? I do not spam because I post content.

I am also forced to defend myself against all the bullshit Fakscum is spewing.

You're both spamming, but at least he isn't being unnecessarily hostile. Hence why I'm happy with my vote - win lose or draw, removing one or both of you D1 is positive for this game's health.

[Ginngie]

Am I accused of spamming? I do not spam because I post content.

I am also forced to defend myself against all the bullshit Fakscum is spewing.

You're both spamming, but at least he isn't being unnecessarily hostile. Hence why I'm happy with my vote - win lose or draw, removing one or both of you D1 is positive for this game's health.

I'll admit after like the fist real life day and seeing how many posts I'm in the same line of thinking where im like ok. Im just gonna let ya'll die a bit and when the noise is down I'll play.

[Farkset]

@ame
The difference between you and chloe is that i scumlean chloe indipendently of springlullaby.

If springlullaby didn't exist, i would still scumlean chloe, but i would likely townlean you. The potential associative is there for both, but i'd look at you with more suspicion if springlul flips scum. Does that make sense as an explanation of my thought process?

I admit that i dislike springlul playstyle as either alignment, but i'm trying to analyze the slot impartially. I have no such distaste for chloe though, even if i still scumlean her.

Also raya, don't you think that scum would be able to fake being a mediator, wrt chloe 848? If you read that tonally, does it strike you as town as Pine's introductory plea? I think they ask for similar things but are immensely different tonewise.

Last but not least, i support hectic or raya for quest leader, as an alternative to myself.

-Farkran

[Not Known 15]

Am I accused of spamming? I do not spam because I post content.

I am also forced to defend myself against all the bullshit Fakscum is spewing.

You're both spamming, but at least he isn't being unnecessarily hostile. Hence why I'm happy with my vote - win lose or draw, removing one or both of you D1 is positive for this game's health.

But that`s the problem... we actually can`t remove them entirely... the capture does not lynch them...

[Pink Ball]

And even if spring was scum which is unlikely, roleblocking a claimed voyeur is not ideal

[Pine]

Shit, you're right. It's likely the first step towards that, though, and it's the best we can do right now.

[Pine]

And even if spring was scum which is unlikely, roleblocking a claimed voyeur is not ideal

I didn't see the claim, but A) Voyeur is a +EV scum role (imo) and B) Roleclaims should not be treated as sacrosanct, especially in a likely role madness game.

[springlullaby]

You're both spamming, but at least he isn't being unnecessarily hostile. Hence why I'm happy with my vote - win lose or draw, removing one or both of you D1 is positive for this game's health.

I think you confuse hostile and making cases.

Don't hide behind that line you've lurked enough.

We vote to capture BTW, not to lynch, and I've claimed.

I'll make it easy for you:

> End day or not end day
> Quest leader choice

[springlullaby]

And even if spring was scum which is unlikely, roleblocking a claimed voyeur is not ideal

I didn't see the claim, but A) Voyeur is a +EV scum role (imo) and B) Roleclaims should not be treated as sacrosanct, especially in a likely role madness game.

Pine, if you want to commit to a policy capture, that's fine by me.

Don't mix in bad argument.

[Pink Ball]

How is voyeur a +EV scum role?

[Farkset]

People blame farkran for activity but at the same time everyone is keep questioning him. Most of his posts are replies to other people.
~ker

[springlullaby]

^ Farkscum admitting to having done zero scumhunting.

[Pink Ball]

spring please stop doing that

[springlullaby]

K.

[Pink Ball]

Thank you!!

[Raya36]

Raya, what do you like about the Pine post? Have you played with Pine before?

I think his post is genuine coming from somebody who is struggling to join in but really wants to. I played briefly with Pine my last game however he was replaced for inactivity. Only 1 post after 500ish pages. He was town. I believe I played with him in the past as well but last game was my first in a while so I'm not considering anything older than that.

Also Raya, what are your thoughts on Ginnie. And on Farkset's and Hectic's Spring push?

I believe I've played with Ginngie before but not recently so I don't really remember their play. But the mix of fluff and analysis come off as genuine. I think the whole crew and sheeping while busy thing is genuine as well and I don't see it coming from scum. Null town read.

I think it's kind of tunneling. There are some cases but they seem more like they're forced cases in my opinion. I need to look more into it but I think it is possible one of the two are scum pushing for an easy target. That said I get a bit overwhelmed in games where this kind of stuff goes on for pages so this is just what I got out of a skim of it.

Also raya, don't you think that scum would be able to fake being a mediator, wrt chloe 848? If you read that tonally, does it strike you as town as Pine's introductory plea? I think they ask for similar things but are immensely different tonewise.

Scum definitely could fake being a mediator. I suppose part of that read already came from a null townlean on Chloe. But it is much more beneficial for scum to allow bickering to keep going. Especially when it takes over the thread like that. Same idea in my opinion as how scum often aren't the ones to break rvs at the start of a game.

Tonally Pine is serious, pleading, and maybe a little dismayed.
Chloe is more annoyed, demanding, and direct.

It's hard to compare because the gamestate was very different in both situations. Strictly based on tone I think both are genuine but Pine's leans more towards wanting himself to be able to participate and Chloe's leans more towards wanting everyone to be able to participate. Both were towny posts but I think Chloe's was better.

[momo]

Spring can "deem" me scummy all he wants, but I'm not pledging my vote when there's no clear alternative to spring. Also, there is no way the quest leader should be someone who has made it their goal this entire game to be the leader.