Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[We are not helping]

I missed the days when RC would just go diving in and force lynches.

-bitmap

Bitmap, can you guys share some of the concensus that your hydra has built internally?

Some information on the developments you guys are going through would be great.

We're kind of lost this game and have very split reads right now.

-bitmap

[gobbledygook]

Farside is town

I endorse this product and/or service.

Hey Gobble. Do you know anything about NSG as far as play style?

She’s a very good Scumhunter. Won Paragon a year ago. She sandbags her scum play though. Very lurky

[Trojan Horses]

We're kind of lost this game and have very split reads right now.

Give us all your individual reads, pl0x
We can start with the Halloween townie town townbloc - opinions on me and Vecna?

Christmas should wagon Elmo Teh Azn

[Yshtola and Tataru]

We're kind of lost this game and have very split reads right now.

Give us all your individual reads, pl0x
We can start with the Halloween townie town townbloc - opinions on me and Vecna?

Christmas should wagon Elmo Teh Azn

I'm only going to give my reads.

I think you're leaning town and I'm null on Vecna.

I really think Christmas should push jjh cause honestly I'm extremely annoyed at his play.

-bitmap

[We are not helping]

We're kind of lost this game and have very split reads right now.

Give us all your individual reads, pl0x
We can start with the Halloween townie town townbloc - opinions on me and Vecna?

Christmas should wagon Elmo Teh Azn

I'm only going to give my reads.

I think you're leaning town and I'm null on Vecna.

I really think Christmas should push jjh cause honestly I'm extremely annoyed at his play.

-bitmap

[Trojan Horses]

What concerns do you have about Vecna?

[jjh927]

I'm gonna do a full reread later tonight but don't have time for more than the odd post rn

[gobbledygook]

We're kind of lost this game and have very split reads right now.

Give us all your individual reads, pl0x
We can start with the Halloween townie town townbloc - opinions on me and Vecna?

Christmas should wagon Elmo Teh Azn

I thought you didn’t have a read on Elmo?

[farside]

Farside is town

I endorse this product and/or service.

Hey Gobble. Do you know anything about NSG as far as play style?

She’s a very good Scumhunter. Won Paragon a year ago. She sandbags her scum play though. Very lurky

I guess I'm trying to understand her more. She has a few moments in this game I like but then just reads as doing nothing to promote anyone as far as pushing a player. This game is a bit harder with 2 groups but it doesn't mean you can't scum hunt through both sides.
I figure scum wouldn't want to bus with a game like this but it's hard to say with the amount of lurkers that have been around most of the game and then you have a few that are spamming this game like crazy. I found a few players that have added no value to the game when they do post, like baezu, mastina, jjt and then you have players like Elmo and NS that post very little and trying to find if there is anything you can gain from reading them.
As I said NM is more a gut read. I recall his scum games and he pretty much plays almost the same as town or scum. That's what makes him a dangerous player in general. I just have to use my gut with him as a general rule and see how it plays out.
I'll stick with this for now. He got my first ping and it hasn't changed as the game went on.
VOTE: jjh

[northsidegal]

She sandbags her scum play though.

No, I don't, and I never have, and I never will, and I never would.

If this is from what RC posted earlier he was clearly joking.

[Trojan Horses]

I just wanna build a wagon on LyLo Ren and see what happens.
Vecna seems to have a meta scumread on him he didn't explain yet but I'm happy to just sheep that.

NSG, do you agree on:
Vecna strongly town, WANH town, Baezu towny?

Do you think Sushi is strongly town?

NSG?
I'm OK if you're not gonna answer this rn too

[gobbledygook]

She sandbags her scum play though.

No, I don't, and I never have, and I never will, and I never would.

If this is from what RC posted earlier he was clearly joking.

I did take him at face value. I apologize.

[Trojan Horses]

I wish to see NSG absolutely stomp as scum sometime

[gobbledygook]

I wish to see NSG absolutely stomp as scum sometime

I do too. But I don’t want to be her first.

[northsidegal]

I just wanna build a wagon on LyLo Ren and see what happens.
Vecna seems to have a meta scumread on him he didn't explain yet but I'm happy to just sheep that.

NSG, do you agree on:
Vecna strongly town, WANH town, Baezu towny?

Do you think Sushi is strongly town?

NSG?
I'm OK if you're not gonna answer this rn too

No, I don't really agree with those, with the possible exception of townleaning wanh and mr ultimate detective.

She sandbags her scum play though.

No, I don't, and I never have, and I never will, and I never would.

If this is from what RC posted earlier he was clearly joking.

I did take him at face value. I apologize.

It's alright, he was referencing something I would understand but that most probably wouldn't catch, so it's understandable to not see it as sarcastic

[Trojan Horses]

No, I don't really agree with those, with the possible exception of townleaning wanh and mr ultimate detective.

So do you have a somewhat decent solve for Halloween?

[northsidegal]

No, I don't really agree with those, with the possible exception of townleaning wanh and mr ultimate detective.

So do you have a somewhat decent solve for Halloween?

uh, not at the moment.

[RadiantCowbells]

What kind of probability are you looking at of you townreading me some time on D1

[northsidegal]

if i knew that in the future i would townread you then i would already townread you, and the same holds true for any read on any person, right?

i don't really have an answer for you, and any numbers would just be made up.

[RadiantCowbells]

It is moreso a question of whether the answer is zero or nonzero

[northsidegal]

it's nonzero, i think.

[SirCakez]

And town consensus right now is that WANH TH Vecna Baezu are all town with the possible exception of Baezu which well nah.

I don't think this is true? I don't have a TR on any of them, for example. I know I'm not the only one.

I don’t really wanna play

But it’s not because I’m scum

It’s just because

And I don’t wanna go because I hope I’ll wanna play again soon and it’s just a temporary feeling

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Spoiler:

even though you're scum it's nice to play with you mastina

The pleasure is all mine since I'll be nightkilled ages before you due to not being scum and radiating an aura of threatening presence warranting my death. (Am I a N1 nightkill? No, almost assuredly not, but I just have a

feeling

that scum will kill me before the end of the game. I have a very specific reason for feeling that way, too, but I shouldn't voice that reason because it'd be anti-town to have done so, already have hinted at it but basically, is related to the setup. I think the setup specifically will incentivize scum to kill me before lylo hits.)

On that note, to get the ball rolling, updated readslist:
We are not helping
gobbledygook
BBMolla
jjh
SirCakez
DrDolittle

Elmo teh AzN

Baezu

Amrun
Shuichi Saihara

northsidegal
Trojan Horses
Jormungand
Lie Ren
Wonderwall

Bernadetta
RadiantCowbells

100% locktown, strong town, weak town, nulltown, null, scum.

For mental reference, the half I can vote is,
gobbledygook
BBMolla
jjh
DrDolittle

Elmo teh AzN

Amrun

northsidegal
Wonderwall

...Which is easy enough, poe, nsg + Wonderwall are the scumteam on my half.
VOTE: Wonderwall.

I don't agree with you on elmo... I dont like his 146

I think Baezu is town for this.

~N

Is there anything else you're TRing Baezu for? I'm not seeing it in this post.

And why are Cakez, Ren voting Baezu?

~N

B/c I thought a wagon was developing there and she's one of my top SRs.

I would like to wagon Baezu or Vecna. I still think Vecna is being really survivalistic and not progressing the game in a town fashion.

If I was being survivalistic, I wouldve put your ass on L1. Or I wouldve taken a strance against the easy lynches like PH or Baezu

Instead im doing a genuine attempt to read your shit and all slots in this game. Stop this nonsense

What I really want is to rally halloween to start focussing on Schuichi, Ren Lui and potentially RC.

The fact your refusing to see this is just worrysome.

Both slots you want to focus on here are town.

Actually, cakez calling me survivalistic after picking a big fight with RC is the biggest bullshit comment in this entire game and shows he's either not reading or he's just making up shit

I will give you this. I think survivalistic was the wrong word. I was referring to the "unvote me" stuff you've been saying.

Christmas should wagon Elmo Teh Azn

Agree with this

[Baezu]

I will have the saddest face in the world if Baezu is town. One line nonsense post........it's cringe worthy from the player I once knew.

That hurts

[Baezu]

I'm gonna do a full reread later tonight but don't have time for more than the odd post rn

Lynch this with fire!!!!!

[mastina]

Why do you expect instant analysis from her? Now that you know it's a doctored VC, it's fact that she knew it was wrong. What now, Mastina?

Now I admit that I was wrong and that she did in fact know it was wrong.

Beyond that--if you're expecting a magical 180 on my nsg read from scum to town? You're a moron.

NSG knew she was fake-hammering.

Fake-hammering is not inherently a town action.

You have to look at the mindset behind the fake hammer.

As scum, the mindset behind a fake hammer is to earn some quick cheap instant towncred; get people to townread you who weren't before, and increase the strength of existing townreads on your slot--sounds like a pretty good deal, doesn't it?

As town, the mindset behind a fake hammer is, explicitly, to gather information, analyze this information, and garner conclusions from it on multiple slots--and yet, nsg has yet to show she is doing this, she's yet to show this is what she was aiming for, she's yet to actually go through with anything regarding it.

NSG pulled off the fake hammer, and did nothing with it.

If someone pulls off a fake hammer and does nothing which it, which mindset does that more closely resemble? The town one of using it for information, or the scum one of using it for cheap towncred? The answer seems apparent enough.

That having been said.
VOTE: Wonderwall.
I will acknowledge that regardless of whether my read here is right on this being scum nsg, we're not getting an actual lynch on her today due to people insisting "but it must've been from a town nsg!!!".