Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Shuichi Saihara]

i think WANH's "i would dayvig both mastina and RC" comment is very towny as well.

Really? I think that's pretty easy to say and garners sympathy from literally everyone except the two of them.

[Trojan Horses]

i dont feel like i have gotten anything out of all of my interactions with your slot so far this game and its been mostly you so

You expected to get something out of me for stuff like "Sushi feels like I do so he is hard town", etc? sure

[Trojan Horses]

Really? I think that's pretty easy to say and garners sympathy from literally everyone except the two of them.

they're already at a point of being sorta townread by some slots and not scumread by anyone as far as I can see so it's unnecessary to do that for cred
also, antagonizing both Mastina and RC? yeah the cost benefit isn't sooo great for them as scum here.

[RadiantCowbells]

this is kind of the same thing mastina is doing where you are saying that lack of reasons to support a claim discredits the claim itself even though i am notorious for having few reasons and lots of correct reads

[Trojan Horses]

At this point in the game it is correct for me to treat Lie Ren as town and work with him because he is not unlikely to bus if he is scum himself in this situation whereas you are incredibly unlikely to vote scum whether scum or town.

But I will be sheeping NSG

[Trojan Horses]

this is kind of the same thing mastina is doing where you are saying that lack of reasons to support a claim discredits the claim itself even though i am notorious for having few reasons and lots of correct reads

Again, apart from NSG, which claim did Mastina made which she refused to substantiate?
Interestingly I found some old post of yours today where you said town dislikes it when you cycle-wagon. It's kinda funny that you scumread me for doing the same here.

[We are not helping]

yeah lurking is her scum meta

she doesn't care at all about her games as scum she just deliberately lurks through all of them because of sheer lack of fucks given

she refuses to switch the internal switch so that she can be good as scum because it's more important to her to be a top tier town player

I can confirm all of this is 100% true

I'm aware but I do think she's town here just for the absolute vitriol she threw my way earlier

RC coached her to do stuff like that as scum in Team Mafia.

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On a semi-serious note, I found NSG's early blurb to feel pretty scripted and it feels like someone was coaching her even with the whole BBmolla interaction where she said fuck off.

Then she literally disappear and plays other games and neglects this game.

Then she comes in with this really weird stream of thoughts.

-bitmap

bro i did extremely minimal coaching in TM and you are aware of this and most of what i did was like nitpicking small phrasing things for tonal tells
not writing gigantic stream of consciousness posts like that for her

and its posts like this and the general weird attitude that you have had towards NSG and Mastina this game that makes me really diffident on townreading you

NSG kept asking you that game what to post and you told her to make these "I'm going to delay my reads on you" comments. You definitely had a strong influence to how NSG played that mafia game in TM. And I literally backed off after NSG started posting more.

Also, I don't really care if you don't town read me. You do this to me in like every game where you scumread me early and then it eventually evolves to a town read.

-bitmap

[RadiantCowbells]

i would sheep nsg too

she just hasnt given reads

[Trojan Horses]

she hasn't, but can't wait!

[RadiantCowbells]

What I said was that Mastina is accusing me of being scum for not substantiating on reads when that's pretty par for the course for me as town.

[SirCakez]

RC why is GIF town here? he hasn't done anything and the previous person in the slot wasn't particularly townie.
I think mastina needs to flip at this point for game progression. Her recent posting is just awful and her feud with RC (and everyone really) is super antitown and destroying the thread.

anyways I'm gonna do those ISOs now

[mastina]

This seems like the typical argument engagement to appear to look good. You know you do those as well RC.

Serious request, Vecna.
Reread RadiantCowbells's iso with your own statement in mind.
That RC as scum knows how to engage in arguments to appear to look good.
And tell me that isn't what he's done this game.

[Trojan Horses]

Elmo Teh Azn, Ellitell

[RadiantCowbells]

GIF isn't locktown but the game makes way more sense if GIF is town and Mastina knows it (and note Mastinas comment on the GIF replacement indicating she could easily have known) and as long as I have no reason to disbelieve my current view of the game I am going to stick with it and lynch the highest equity slots that fit with it.

[We are not helping]

MASTINA WOULD YOU ENDORSE A VECNA LYNCH

-OKA

[Baezu]

@RC: Sorry, how is mastina playing different than TM? My expectations are kind of low.

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if she is in fact doing this out of spite for out of game reasons then i cant tell the difference but i understand on some level the thought process which she would have gone through in TM whereas she is openly pushing me for things that she well knows are NAI in this game
like scumreading us to suck hitos dick even though hitos reads werent very good makes sense with what i know of mastinas personality, but mastina has never displayed the level of open disrespect towards nsg that she shows towards me so theres a hole in this

if she was only tunneling me i would feel very different on an alignment level about this game but scumreading all of gif rc nsg and townreading you guys is just wrong

This is probably the most salient comment yet

Me likey

[Trojan Horses]

What I said was that Mastina is accusing me of being scum for not substantiating on reads when that's pretty par for the course for me as town.

Got it - but in case of Lie Ren, you did admit you're just treating him as town for gamestate reasons and don't actually townread him: also which assumes that I am incredibly unlikely to vote scum if town (which is untrue, I would be ~random lol in which case Ren would be random) or I am scum who is incredibly unlikely to bus (which is true, but distancing from people is very much prominent in my scum meta, and I've not even arrived at a "final read" on the slot) so, yeah.

[Trojan Horses]

MASTINA WOULD YOU ENDORSE A VECNA LYNCH

-OKA

Based on her posts what is your most likely guess?

[Baezu]

At this point in the game it is correct for me to treat Lie Ren as town and work with him because he is not unlikely to bus if he is scum himself in this situation whereas you are incredibly unlikely to vote scum whether scum or town.

But I will be sheeping NSG

You can't sheep NSG. She's not in your game

[Trojan Horses]

You can't sheep NSG. She's not in your game

So? "Sheep someone" can also mean "sheep someone's reads" c'mon

[SirCakez]

Lie Ren could definitely be scum. I'm not really seeing much town motivation or scumhunting in their posts. A lot of coasting-esque posts. A lot of useless posts/active posting. 1114 was bad. Not really any thought to the reads.
My only concern is, knowing that Gamma is behind the alt, that it's just his awkwardness coming off as scumminess.

[mastina]

Like, Halloween is just FILLED to the brim with towny looking motherfuckers, and theres only so many people that I feel can fake that shit on a high level. Ceph and RC definately come to mind.

Dont think RC is really doing that here.

One of these days.

When the town is on the verge of losing and, surprise surprise, RC is still alive.

You are going to look back on comments like these and realize.

"I'm a fucking moron."
For having what amounts to whatever you'd call tunnelvisioning on a slot not being scum, refusing to acknowledge your own analysis backing up that the slot is scum, refusing to accept the reality, always making excuses to write the slot off as town in spite of all of your own fucking evidence telling you the slot is scum.

[We are not helping]

okay wait i see that she has vecna in her townbloc

brb i need to find when she swapped her reads on jormun

-oka

[SirCakez]

GIF isn't locktown but the game makes way more sense if GIF is town and Mastina knows it (and note Mastinas comment on the GIF replacement indicating she could easily have known) and as long as I have no reason to disbelieve my current view of the game I am going to stick with it and lynch the highest equity slots that fit with it.

is this from gamesolving from playerlists? as opposed to reads on the slot by itself.

[SirCakez]

if a Vecna wagon reforms I will back on there in a flash