Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[mastina]

Need to find town in {Baezu, SirCakez, Kylo Ren}

They're all town.

There ya go.

[We are not helping]

it already has cakez

i think me,rc,shuichi are on him rn

-oka

[mastina]

Man, why is it that when I talk to you red flags and angled of weirdness just pop up all over the place lol.

Because over. and over. and over again.
You keep going.
"Man, this thing from RC is suspicious, but nahhhhh, he must be town.
Oh he's doing this other thing which is suspicious, but nahhhhh, he must be town.
He keeps doing scummy shit, but surely he's still town.
Oh, he's yet again doing something which is sketchy, but he still has to be town."

Sooner or later you've gotta face the facts.

[Baezu]

Like, Halloween is just FILLED to the brim with towny looking motherfuckers, and theres only so many people that I feel can fake that shit on a high level. Ceph and RC definately come to mind.

Dont think RC is really doing that here.

One of these days.

When the town is on the verge of losing and, surprise surprise, RC is still alive.

You are going to look back on comments like these and realize.

"I'm a fucking moron."
For having what amounts to whatever you'd call tunnelvisioning on a slot not being scum, refusing to acknowledge your own analysis backing up that the slot is scum, refusing to accept the reality, always making excuses to write the slot off as town in spite of all of your own fucking evidence telling you the slot is scum.

Mastina, believe me, I am constantly re-evaluating RCs slot. He is diabolical as scum and very difficult to pinpoint but atm, imho, he is town. If that changes after we see some lunches, I will be the first to point it out

[mastina]

top tier scum players are not usually an issue for me. i called both FL and MariaR very early in D1 of the large theme in TM, I have essentially claimed a D1 guilty on LLD before, I am responsible for FAs only lynch on this site as scum.

Yes and you're claiming I'm scum when I am town.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Vecna

L-1

[mastina]

Its not like you have solved the game yet, so why are you trying to fight me this badly. If youre town, why try and make it harder than it has to be?

He is trying to make it harder because that is literally his wincon.

[SirCakez]

someone in Halloween give intent please

[SirCakez]

I've given up on trying to engage mastina btw

[SirCakez]

do we know how night works? like if one game hammers can the other game still keep posting and such?

[mastina]

Have you played with mastina before?

Yes but the way

you

are treating me is as if you never had.

[SirCakez]

???

[northsidegal]

i think baezu is town

[SirCakez]

so I now know why I haven't had a read on jjh the whole game
cux they barely post content
they can go into the scumpile

[SirCakez]

cuz*

[SirCakez]

now I have too many SRs in Christmas :/

[mastina]

If mastina thinks RC is scum why is she not pushing on that read of a player that is actiive and can be engaged with over a player that isi mostly MIA?'

Because...

I don't believe you. But say what you want.

I think your play this game is more likely to come from you as scum than town, and yet it should be stupidly obvious why pushing you in spite of having that belief would be a waste of time. (Namely because if you're town you're dead via nightkill before D3, and also because if you're town you'll give me something that I'll read as town eventually. Plus, would add a lot of noise which is something that I don't see any way of it not being disastrous for the gamestate's health.)

I do agree with the statement that if Mastina is scum vs an NSG AND RC town team her MO has to be to corral people who support her and shade RC/NSG in order to have any chance.

There is value to be had in paragons being alive, if they are town--but they wouldn't be paragons if they were rattled, if they were shaken, by an incorrect scumread on their slot. They wouldn't be paragons if someone incorrectly scumreading them threw them off their beat, threw them off their kilter, kept them from putting in a paragon-level performance.

And there is value to be had in paragons being alive, if they are town--but if they

aren't

town, then why the fuck would I fear pushing scum just off of the value of "what if they're town", given the above? Given that being erroneously scumread shouldn't rattle, shouldn't shake, a paragon winner, there's no reason not to state a scumread on one.

Granted, I have reasonably good reasons to not push the read on RC. He's not in my game so I can't even vote him; there's enough scumspects in his game that given only two of them are scum there's a fair chance that he is town; fighting with RC on D1 is unproductive because even if he is scum he's not getting lynched D1; if RC is town then the scum will nightkill him eventually anyway. All these make it so that I don't really have interest in pushing RC, but that sure as fuck won't stop me from stating a scumread there.

Curious why mastina voted wonderwall over nsg.

Because I only have one vote for three scumreads in my game and I can't vote for a scumread in the other game.

I can apply pressure to multiple slots at once.

I can only vote one at a time.

A lack of a vote doesn't mean a lack of a scumread, it just means that I can't vote all of my scumreads.

^Of this.
Between those three quotes, you should have sufficient enough of an answer.

[mastina]

If mastina thinks RC is scum why is she not pushing on that read of a player that is actiive and can be engaged with over a player that isi mostly MIA?'

Because...

I don't believe you. But say what you want.

I think your play this game is more likely to come from you as scum than town, and yet it should be stupidly obvious why pushing you in spite of having that belief would be a waste of time. (Namely because if you're town you're dead via nightkill before D3, and also because if you're town you'll give me something that I'll read as town eventually. Plus, would add a lot of noise which is something that I don't see any way of it not being disastrous for the gamestate's health.)

I do agree with the statement that if Mastina is scum vs an NSG AND RC town team her MO has to be to corral people who support her and shade RC/NSG in order to have any chance.

There is value to be had in paragons being alive, if they are town--but they wouldn't be paragons if they were rattled, if they were shaken, by an incorrect scumread on their slot. They wouldn't be paragons if someone incorrectly scumreading them threw them off their beat, threw them off their kilter, kept them from putting in a paragon-level performance.

And there is value to be had in paragons being alive, if they are town--but if they

aren't

town, then why the fuck would I fear pushing scum just off of the value of "what if they're town", given the above? Given that being erroneously scumread shouldn't rattle, shouldn't shake, a paragon winner, there's no reason not to state a scumread on one.

Granted, I have reasonably good reasons to not push the read on RC. He's not in my game so I can't even vote him; there's enough scumspects in his game that given only two of them are scum there's a fair chance that he is town; fighting with RC on D1 is unproductive because even if he is scum he's not getting lynched D1; if RC is town then the scum will nightkill him eventually anyway. All these make it so that I don't really have interest in pushing RC, but that sure as fuck won't stop me from stating a scumread there.

Curious why mastina voted wonderwall over nsg.

Because I only have one vote for three scumreads in my game and I can't vote for a scumread in the other game.

I can apply pressure to multiple slots at once.

I can only vote one at a time.

A lack of a vote doesn't mean a lack of a scumread, it just means that I can't vote all of my scumreads.

^Of this.
Between those three quotes, you should have sufficient enough of an answer.

[SirCakez]

nsg's ISO is pretty town so that makes things easier. I'd be TRing her anyway cuz my other TRs are and I don't have experience with her.

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Vecna

[We are not helping]

oh my god is mastina really catching up like 10 posts at a time

-oka

pedit: hammer lol

[mastina]

Can we wagon jjh instead?

On principle of respecting my original read I will not join it, on principle of trusting past mastina to have had the read correct, I won't officially endorse it.

But fuckit I've given up on it and surely won't be fighting you on it. If jjh doesn't want to step up, then sure he can let himself die, I'm not going to protect him from it.

[SirCakez]

Vecna were you scum?

[gobbledygook]

RC are you out of your scum range yet?

[mastina]

cutting out the explanations and just posting the stances:

WANH, dunno
RadiantCowbells, town
Trojan Horses, probably scum but dunno
Lie Ren, dunno
Vecna, dunno, not Trojan partner
Baezu, dunno
SirCakez scummy feelz.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaah

Indeed.