Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[mastina]

On a side note, I think the fakehammer was very towny for NSG. I believe that fakehammers have a decent chance at producing town reactions, and in a game where solid townreads improve town win % easily, I doubt scum would really test slots that way. Will probably sheep NSG reads barring major disagreements.

I will believe nsg is town when she actually does something with her analysis. Actual hard stances on multiple players especially ones who're hotspots of attention.

[mastina]

SirCakez has such a damn linear progression. Not even an ounce of indication that anything ive written at all has has made him even consider changing his opinion

I mean, yes, that's why I'm so fucking pissed at him for being a tunneling asshat but he's not scum from it.

[SirCakez]

Who am I tunneling??

[RadiantCowbells]

SirCakez has such a damn linear progression. Not even an ounce of indication that anything ive written at all has has made him even consider changing his opinion

I mean, yes, that's why I'm so fucking pissed at him for being a tunneling asshat but he's not scum from it.

How is this read real

[mastina]

idk what else to say on this other than I find it ridiculous that it's being construed as a scumslip

Pretty much yes.

There's been at least two, three comments people have said 'was this meant for the scum thread' when it's been pretty apparent no post in this game was meant for a scumthread so all of those accusations were basically just worthless wastes of space.

[mastina]

Anyone here wanna catch me up

Here a catch up for you-
Vote wonderwall
They're scum

Indeed. <3

[mastina]

Anyone else liking Baezu just now, or is that just me?

I mean I've been calling Baezu town the whole game, so.

[northsidegal]

cutting out the explanations and just posting the stances:

WANH, dunno
RadiantCowbells, town
Trojan Horses, probably scum but dunno
Lie Ren, dunno
Vecna, dunno, not Trojan partner
Baezu, dunno
SirCakez scummy feelz.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaah

Indeed.

On a side note, I think the fakehammer was very towny for NSG. I believe that fakehammers have a decent chance at producing town reactions, and in a game where solid townreads improve town win % easily, I doubt scum would really test slots that way. Will probably sheep NSG reads barring major disagreements.

I will believe nsg is town when she actually does something with her analysis. Actual hard stances on multiple players especially ones who're hotspots of attention.

i think people have this conception that to be towny or to be a good town player you must have strong stances. i don't think this is the case. personally, i would say that far more often than not i hold no strong stances, or only very few. if i do have them, they're almost strong townreads as opposed to strong scumreads. if i would have a strong scumread, it would almost certainly be meta-based, rather than based on anything else.

i don't think there's anything wrong with this? certainly if everyone were to play the same way i do games might be harder, but in general i would say that there's nothing at all inherently scummy about not having strong stances, and i might even say that people might be better served if they were more hesitant with the strength of their reads.

[mastina]

And my Wonderwall push had hit a brick wall.

Did it, though? Did you try to push for a wagon on them and get everyone saying no? I just don't remember anyone being strongly opposed to lynching them at any point, so I don't see why that would've happened. Why doesn't this make you more determined to push them, if anything?

I mean.
For

some

silly reason.
Players seem to have this weird habit of not wanting to wagon players that aren't around!

And Wonderwall hasn't been around.

So like.

No fucking duh the push on Wonderwall hit a brick wall, when the person you're pushing disappears, you can only push them for so long before people more or less ignore you.

[RadiantCowbells]

i might even say that people might be better served if they were more hesitant with the strength of their reads.

I see NSG is trying to pocket me

[Trojan Horses]

I've given up on trying to engage mastina btw

Is that the only reason you're trying to get Vecna lynched right now?
Can you scum case him?

[mastina]

so that's the kind of "mislynch frustration" I'm referring to under my town meta

Oh you absolute fuckhole.

You have no fucking right to call my reactions to my mislynch bad when you say you have mislynch frustration as town.

[Trojan Horses]

i think people have this conception that to be towny or to be a good town player you must have strong stances. i don't think this is the case. personally, i would say that far more often than not i hold no strong stances, or only very few. if i do have them, they're almost strong townreads as opposed to strong scumreads. if i would have a strong scumread, it would almost certainly be meta-based, rather than based on anything else.

That wasn't my point

[northsidegal]

i think people have this conception that to be towny or to be a good town player you must have strong stances. i don't think this is the case. personally, i would say that far more often than not i hold no strong stances, or only very few. if i do have them, they're almost strong townreads as opposed to strong scumreads. if i would have a strong scumread, it would almost certainly be meta-based, rather than based on anything else.

That wasn't my point

what was your point?

[Trojan Horses]

Mastina, can you please just cut out the insults from your posts? Yeah, we're all morons and f-holes, all just part of the game.

[Trojan Horses]

what was your point?

I think then it was some combination of Sushi calling other players bad for their reads and then posting a fluff readslist that conveyed largely nothing

[We are not helping]

i might even say that people might be better served if they were more hesitant with the strength of their reads.

I see NSG is trying to pocket me

Are you playing differently because of NSG?

-bitmap

[Trojan Horses]

i think baezu is town

Ok!
So you think I'm more likely town, WANH townlean, think Baezu town
That's like 3/4 in my townbloc excepting Vecna

And also all of them match Mastina's reads

So RC's accusations that these are shitty reads are

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: A lot of my approach to this game is what it is because both NSG and GIF are present and I don't feel the same need to individually carry as much weight but it's certainly not the only reason I'm not playing to my typical 'meta' and I think I've made it clear that I hate being pigeonholed into playing that meta or getting scumread for not doing so anyway.

[RadiantCowbells]

Vote got placed accidentally I am on phone.

[Not_Mafia]

A lot of my approach to this game is what it is because both NSG and GIF are present and I don't feel the same need to individually carry as much weight but it's certainly not the only reason I'm not playing to my typical 'meta' and I think I've made it clear that I hate being pigeonholed into playing that meta or getting scumread for not doing so anyway.

A lot of my approach to this game is what it is because both NSG and GIF are present and I don't feel the same need to individually carry as much weight but it's certainly not the only reason I'm not playing to my typical 'meta' and I think I've made it clear that I hate being pigeonholed into playing that meta or getting scumread for not doing so anyway.is not a player in this game

[mastina]

Mastina https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11715110 Don't your reads change as the game goes on?

My reads change when they have reason to change--and you can look at this game and

see

my reads

have

changed.
I have changed my reads on Trojan Horses, sorta-jjh (where I really really really

really

don't

want

to change the read, where I really fucking want to trust my original past-me's assessment but it is increasingly hard for me to do so), sorta-your slot where I've gone back and forth on it being town and scum,

technically

Shuichi (not really, but strictly speaking was listed as a townread originally before Ceph posted), Lie Ren, Vecna, and adjusted reads on both Baezu and SirCakez.

My reads change when they have good fucking reason to change.
The players not listed above? We Are Not Helping, RC, Turkey, nsg, Molla, Wonderwall? (Not listed, Elmo or NM/DDL who this doesn't apply to.) They've got DAMN fucking good reasons to have stayed as scum/townreads. (Elmo and NM/DDL? Not so much, I admit that, but like. They're massive piles of mostly null so why not keep the read in a game which feels like it can be solved by poe.)

And why is RC a scum read at that point?

Because everything RadiantCowbells has done this game has been furthering a scum agenda and been incredibly manipulative with zero genuine thoughts, no real scumhunting, no true passion, involved. The closest he's gotten is, after realizing that trying to repeatedly discredit me won't work to dissuade me, his OMGUS push on me.

[Trojan Horses]

A lot of my approach to this game is what it is because both NSG and GIF are present and I don't feel the same need to individually carry as much weight but it's certainly not the only reason I'm not playing to my typical 'meta' and I think I've made it clear that I hate being pigeonholed into playing that meta or getting scumread for not doing so anyway.

A lot of my approach to this game is what it is because both NSG and GIF are present and I don't feel the same need to individually carry as much weight but it's certainly not the only reason I'm not playing to my typical 'meta' and I think I've made it clear that I hate being pigeonholed into playing that meta or getting scumread for not doing so anyway.is not a player in this game

[mastina]

Like, RC isnt hunting scum, he's in strategic maneuvering mode where he ad-hoc moves his reads around based on his needs and what he feels he can shit public opinion towards, rather than what is actually transpiring in the game. The fact everyone is actually townreading him is not actually town-indicative for that slot whatsoever either.

FINALLY.
<3
<3

Vecna be town town now.

[mastina]

Right now, my mind is back to: 2/3 in (Gamma Emerald slot, Ceph slot, RC slot)

Your chosen lurker is Gamma, mine is GIF. I feel about the way you do on GIF on Gamma, and about the way you do on Gamma about GIF, but otherwise mostly on the same page.