mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eddie Cane]

Humor me. If I am town, what scum team is possible, then?

I would very much not like to think about the scenario where you are town.

So I should not think about the scenario you're town, is what I'm getting from this.

[Luna Fox]

Nero should check PP or nsg, it doesn't matter which, unless PP is a scum multitasking fruit vendor doctor (shoutout to Boon and Vorkuta ).

I mean that's probably why NSG said Nero should check PP anyway?
Nothing new here.

[Something_Smart]

Humor me. If I am town, what scum team is possible, then?

I would very much not like to think about the scenario where you are town.

In other words, we'll cross that bridge when if we come to it. Obviously if you do flip town I will reread your posts today in that light.

But, you're also part of the problem when it comes to pushing that there's one scum in me/Nero.

[Something_Smart]

So I should not think about the scenario you're town, is what I'm getting from this.

That doesn't follow?

I will still be able to read your posts after you are dead.

[Something_Smart]

I mean that's probably why NSG said Nero should check PP anyway?
Nothing new here.

Yes. I am indicating my assent.

[Eddie Cane]

So I should not think about the scenario you're town, is what I'm getting from this.

That doesn't follow?

I will still be able to read your posts after you are dead.

I am somebody who always considers every player short of mod confirmed IC. I am asking you what world I should consider with you and Nero town, and you said "I don't want to consider the world where you are town". I am town. Hence the humor me.

[Eddie Cane]

I actually think I have a new solve formulating, but it depends on the reply to that.

[Something_Smart]

Fine.

If you're town, Alchemist and nsg are probably not teamed because of Alchemist immediately jumping in and calling her obvtown, and trusting that read plus the vanilla check makes her more likely town. If Nero checks PP, he probably dies if town, and in that case Alch/PP would be my best bet.

For obvious reasons, I don't want to say exactly what I'd do if Nero doesn't die and claims an innocent or guilty result on PP.

[Eddie Cane]

I am considering you about as lock scum as if you are town you are probably considering me, right now.

[Eddie Cane]

@Alch @NSG @Luna @Nero

Here's what I think the right play today is.

Lynch SS as Alch said.

If SS flips scum, Nero can check who he thinks is scummier in myself and PP. It doesn't matter which and does not need to be decided today.

If SS flips town, Nero should actually check

Alchemist

. A claimed green check is equivalent to a claimed red check on me, with more information.

[Something_Smart]

I mean here's the thing.

There is a non-negligible chance that you are town. I don't believe straight-up throwing the game is out of Boon's townrange, unfortunately.

But I'm perfectly fine with losing in those scenarios, because that's stupid. It's not worth giving scum-you a chance to talk your way out of it. And I know at some tables you'd be able to do that.

[Something_Smart]

It is absolutely ridiculous from any POV, including your own, to lynch me before you.

[Eddie Cane]

I mean here's the thing.

There is a non-negligible chance that you are town. I don't believe straight-up throwing the game is out of Boon's townrange, unfortunately.

But I'm perfectly fine with losing in those scenarios, because that's stupid. It's not worth giving scum-you a chance to talk your way out of it. And I know at some tables you'd be able to do that.

And if I am town, should I not also be trying to talk my way out of it? If you are town, you have done many things this game that make you the person I am most likely going to ask to be lynched when I flip town over Nero at this point, and if you are town and are looking to consider, I am willing to work through them. I think its very unlikely I do not want your lynch to happen today, though.

For the record, if you are town and do lose in those scenarios, you do not get to put all of the blame on Boon. You made the decision to not evaluate me. Boon is largely responsible for the loss in those worlds, but not entirely.

[Something_Smart]

And if I am town, should I not also be trying to talk my way out of it?

You should, but you should also be accepting that it's utterly terrible play for anyone to let you live today.

Like, mechanics > reads, always. That's a rule I see broken frequently and almost never in town's favor.

[Eddie Cane]

It is absolutely ridiculous from any POV, including your own, to lynch me before you.

2 assumptions to work with here:

- 1 scum is in Nero/SS

- Nero and Eddie are never scum together.

Lynching SS today solves the game if the assumptions are correct. If he flips Town then Nero is scum and Penguin is the partner. If SS flips scum then Nero is Town and we can lynch in the order of Penguin/Eddie and for sure hit the remaining partner.

If everyone agrees on those assumptions then SS should be the lynch today.

Not only is it not ridiculous, its pretty much the opposite. You can't even push me in a world with Nero which I think could be why scum!you would be saying you think both you and Nero could be town.

And if I am town, should I not also be trying to talk my way out of it?

You should, but you should also be accepting that it's utterly terrible play for anyone to let you live today.

Like, mechanics > reads, always. That's a rule I see broken frequently and almost never in town's favor.

And the mechanics are that Boon claimed a check on both Oka and you before I berated him and he switched to me, so the guilty doesn't even have to be real. The mechanics are that there is very likely one scum at least in the PR claims. The mechanics are that you could have softed role cop once you knew gunsmiths were in the game so you would have a response if one claimed a guilty on you. The mechanics are that I can't be with Nero because of reads (this is valid despite how weird it sounds), so you are a better lynch from my and every other townie's point of view. I understand what you are saying, but you are also one of the people strongest pushing Boon with me yesterday after he claimed it, so you are clearly purporting that his claim was not believable - because it

was

on a town.

[Alchemist21]

robocop

Regardless of alignment I think SS really is a role cop because it loons like Clidd crumbed it as well.

[Something_Smart]

And the mechanics are that Boon claimed a check on both Oka and you before I berated him and he switched to me, so the guilty doesn't even have to be real. The mechanics are that there is very likely one scum at least in the PR claims. The mechanics are that you could have softed role cop once you knew gunsmiths were in the game so you would have a response if one claimed a guilty on you. The mechanics are that I can't be with Nero because of reads (this is valid despite how weird it sounds), so you are a better lynch from my and every other townie's point of view. I understand what you are saying, but you are also one of the people strongest pushing Boon with me yesterday after he claimed it, so you are clearly purporting that his claim was not believable - because it was on a town.

The mechanics are that Boon did not retract his claim after he was hammered.

If it is a gambit, there is no reason not to do that.

[northsidegal]

hubris is one

[Something_Smart]

Okay, fair.

No valid reason.

[Eddie Cane]

heh

anyways, im getting the vibes people arent enjoying my posting so im out for the night. pce.

[Nero Cain]

1 scum is in Nero/SS

despite me saying SS is scum this is a false dichotomy. I know im not scum and even though I think SS is scum it's not impossible he's town.

Nero/SS would still need to be resolved today though because there’s still the possibility of scum Nero bussing Penguin

So damned if I do damned if I don't? Why does it have to be a bus? I mean why is it impossible that I'm just town with a guilty? Why do you think I'll get a guilty b4 I checked him?

[Alchemist21]

1 scum is in Nero/SS

despite me saying SS is scum this is a false dichotomy. I know im not scum and even though I think SS is scum it's not impossible he's town.

Town has too much power if you’re both Town.

Nero/SS would still need to be resolved today though because there’s still the possibility of scum Nero bussing Penguin

So damned if I do damned if I don't? Why does it have to be a bus? I mean why is it impossible that I'm just town with a guilty? Why do you think I'll get a guilty b4 I checked him?[/quote]

This was me thinking about worst case scenario if you check Penguin. This was about the scenario where Town Eddie flips leaving 2 scum in a pool of you/SS/Penguin. Either way you would have to claim a guilty there because if you’re Town then you’re the only Town slot in that trio and it wouldn’t help figure out who last scum is between you/SS.

[Something_Smart]

Town has too much power if you’re both Town.

How can you say this without knowing how much power scum has?

[Alchemist21]

They let Auro get checked then killed him, which strongly implies a lack of scum counters to Town Investigative roles.

[Something_Smart]

How would that imply the lack of a scum doctor?