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Post Post #2650 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:58 am

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In post 2648, We are not helping wrote:I'm not really buying mastina as scum but I am also not taking her reads seriously. I also know that if mastina flips scum that RC will never let anyone in this game live it down.

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I will fite u in the mud pit next.

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Post Post #2651 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:58 am

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In post 2351, Trojan Horses wrote:Can someone with actually decent reads talk to me, because that would be swell? Thanks.
Sure!

In your game, you're town; We Are Not Helping are town; SirCakez is town; Vecna is town.

That leaves five slots remaining.
Baezu is pretty damn town here.

That leaves four slots remaining.
{Lie Ren, GuyInFreezer, RadiantCowbells, Shuichi Saihara} should contain the scum in your half.
I think that this is probably Lie Ren as town but that's not a strong read.

In my game:
Turkey is town; Molla is town; I am town.
I admit it's harder from there.

I have scumreads on Amrun/farside, nsg, and Wonderwall, but I am fully aware of the lackluster nature of jjh, Elmo, and Not_Mafia.
So your half is the easier solve honestly.
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Post Post #2652 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:59 am

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Like her push on Farside? Clearly intellectually dishonest. Her push on me / NSG? Clearly intellectually dishonest. To be town she has to be deliberately saying against her winconditon attempting to throw this game to stick it to me for not being a 'good enough paragon' or something. I don't want to play in the world where she is doing this so when she repeatedly pushes reads she cannot believe and says people are scum for things that align more closely with her own play than anyone elses I am going to call a spade a spade and say that she is scum because unlike some people in this game I would like to believe that Mastina isn't the kind of person who does this as town and I know for a fact that she is the kind of player who would consider this approach as scum.
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Post Post #2653 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:00 am

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In post 2607, northsidegal wrote:
In post 2599, mastina wrote:
In post 2175, Trojan Horses wrote:cutting out the explanations and just posting the stances:
In post 2171, Shuichi Saihara wrote: WANH, dunno
RadiantCowbells, town
Trojan Horses, probably scum but dunno
Lie Ren, dunno
Vecna, dunno, not Trojan partner
Baezu, dunno
SirCakez scummy feelz.
yeaaaaaaaaaaaah
Indeed.
In post 2600, mastina wrote:
In post 2182, Trojan Horses wrote:On a side note, I think the fakehammer was very towny for NSG. I believe that fakehammers have a decent chance at producing town reactions, and in a game where solid townreads improve town win % easily, I doubt scum would really test slots that way. Will probably sheep NSG reads barring major disagreements.
I will believe nsg is town when she actually does something with her analysis. Actual hard stances on multiple players especially ones who're hotspots of attention.
i think people have this conception that to be towny or to be a good town player you must have strong stances. i don't think this is the case. personally, i would say that far more often than not i hold no strong stances, or only very few. if i do have them, they're almost strong townreads as opposed to strong scumreads. if i would have a strong scumread, it would almost certainly be meta-based, rather than based on anything else.

i don't think there's anything wrong with this? certainly if everyone were to play the same way i do games might be harder, but in general i would say that there's nothing at all inherently scummy about not having strong stances, and i might even say that people might be better served if they were more hesitant with the strength of their reads.
I wish everyone could be convinced of this. But things have changed for the better. I can be honestly unsure now without getting turbolynched. Though apparently having only a few confident reads in Halloween makes me scum this game. Alas.
In post 2626, mastina wrote:
In post 2320, SirCakez wrote:tbh I just want to townread farside lol
I wouldn't--the farside as town I remember was far more active and engaged than this.

I might be biased since I admit I am mostly thinking of her from Steven Universe 2 as that's the game I remember her from, but like.
Compare what she's doing here.
To what she did here.
Her iso in Steven Universe 2 was
six pages long
, and those six pages were filled to the brim with wallposts. A player who not only hyperposted content after content, but churned out wall after wall.

I admit that that's probably not the best metric to use, but it is an amazingly stark contrast that does bias me towards thinking she's scum her.
Holy shit are you kidding she literally just got here.
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Post Post #2654 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:01 am

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In post 2646, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm failing to grok this

Everything she's saying is disgustingly terrible

Why do you care what her reads are even if you are refusing to scumread her
So I know whether or not she’s gonna put up defense to one of my scumreads. If she puts up defense to one of them I’ll just go for the other
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Post Post #2655 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:01 am

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pls stop accusing people of not playing win con, mr rc.

Its not nice.

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Post Post #2656 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:01 am

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Why not... vote her
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Post Post #2657 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:02 am

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In post 2359, Trojan Horses wrote:Can you link/quote from any specific games where she made posts similar to those, because in all of the games I remember playing with scum!her, I can’t recall any?
He sure can't!
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Post Post #2658 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:02 am

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In post 2655, We are not helping wrote:pls stop accusing people of not playing win con, mr rc.

Its not nice.

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I'm stating a fact here: if she is town she knows full well that she has been spite playing. She is not playing to a town win condition, she is either scum in the game or outside of it.
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Post Post #2659 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:03 am

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I've cited TM2018 repeatedly as an example of Mastina faking rage as scum btw since it's the most salient example I can think of. I also can't think of a single example of Mastina calling someone a fuckhole as town so there's that!
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Post Post #2660 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:04 am

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In post 2374, Trojan Horses wrote:I'm reeeaaallly hoping NSG is indeed town because my game seems easily PoE-able, prolly could just lynch both scum in my game.
It'll become much, much easier once you realize RC is one of them!
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Post Post #2661 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:04 am

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In post 2658, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2655, We are not helping wrote:pls stop accusing people of not playing win con, mr rc.

Its not nice.

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I'm stating a fact here: if she is town she knows full well that she has been spite playing. She is not playing to a town win condition, she is either scum in the game or outside of it.
u had a similar problem with her in TM. Maybe cut it back a bit.

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Post Post #2662 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:04 am

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In post 2656, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why not... vote her
Because that will cause an explosion of posts and I don’t think that’s good for the game right now
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Post Post #2663 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:05 am

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I'm not cutting back, I'm ramping up from here.
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Post Post #2664 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:06 am

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Do I need to have a shouting match with you? Because I really don't appreciate you saying mastina is breaking the rules here and using that as an argument against her.

And I am on ur side tht she is scum.

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Post Post #2665 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:07 am

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That's only true if she is town which I would like to believe she isn't.

It is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt true if she is town.
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Post Post #2666 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:08 am

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In post 2393, RadiantCowbells wrote:A lot of people are townreading at least some of the people in that scum pool in our game and THs last post called everyone in it town and NSG affirmed their lack of support for lynching TH so...
And what do you make of your reads conflicting with those of nsg's which you insist be held in such high esteem?
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Post Post #2667 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:08 am

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Does anyone in this game think that if she's town she's not pushing me out of spite, that she believes her case on me for "not giving reasons"? Like you can't be town trying to win accusing someone of being scum for something that they are notorious for.
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Post Post #2668 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:10 am

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In post 2405, Shuichi Saihara wrote:It's quite possible that your lack of desire isn't because you're scum, but you're still scum.
Ya won't hear me arguing otherwise!
In post 2405, Shuichi Saihara wrote:Speaking of, why hasn't Christmas lynched this yet?
I mean, I'm voting him, so.
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Post Post #2669 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:11 am

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In post 2667, RadiantCowbells wrote:Does anyone in this game think that if she's town she's not pushing me out of spite, that she believes her case on me for "not giving reasons"? Like you can't be town trying to win accusing someone of being scum for something that they are notorious for.
I think part of ur push is spite. It could be both spite and a belief ur scum.

She is bad at reads so i think ur expectaations of wht she should/shouldn't know aren't actually in with her recent terrible meta. Her title of false prophet is kind of like sitting proof of how bad her reads are in games and why i often just go by opposite of what those are to determine some peoples alignments.

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Post Post #2670 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:13 am

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In post 2423, Trojan Horses wrote:Why is Mastina voting nsg?
Because I thought at the time she had made a blatant scumplay move and got caught in the act by it not being true.

She continues to be a scumread but I recognize I can't get a lynch there so my vote is best placed elsewhere.
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Post Post #2671 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:14 am

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In post 2425, Trojan Horses wrote:@Mastina, what is your current read on our slot. This is important.
Highest of high town.
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Post Post #2672 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:14 am

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I really don’t believe Ali would be part of the problem e has railed against in two different games now
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Post Post #2673 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:15 am

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Fire this isn't a conversation I have said what I'm saying and it's not changing. I do not believe there is room for Mastina to be both town and playing to win. One or the other.
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Post Post #2674 (ISO) » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:16 am

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I am just happy I’m gonna be the N1 kill in Christmas
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