Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Vecna]

MASTINA WOULD YOU ENDORSE A VECNA LYNCH

-OKA

Can you hydra fellows tell Oka to stop this nonsense?

[Vecna]

Lie Ren could definitely be scum. I'm not really seeing much town motivation or scumhunting in their posts. A lot of coasting-esque posts. A lot of useless posts/active posting. 1114 was bad. Not really any thought to the reads.
My only concern is, knowing that Gamma is behind the alt, that it's just his awkwardness coming off as scumminess.

Town gamma has a lot of genuine townspewing posts. There was a little of it in there.

We just need to see a lot more posts, because when it comes in large volumes it is almost impossible to misread.

[Vecna]

if a Vecna wagon reforms I will back on there in a flash

Guess I shouldve lynched you when I had the chance. Not willing to listen to reason, and youre being played like a fiddle.

[Vecna]

Man, why is it that when I talk to you red flags and angled of weirdness just pop up all over the place lol.

Because over. and over. and over again.
You keep going.
"Man, this thing from RC is suspicious, but nahhhhh, he must be town.
Oh he's doing this other thing which is suspicious, but nahhhhh, he must be town.
He keeps doing scummy shit, but surely he's still town.
Oh, he's yet again doing something which is sketchy, but he still has to be town."

Sooner or later you've gotta face the facts.

Chances of lynching him at this moment are zero. So I really dont know why you keep talking to me like this.

If he is scum, the hydra and cakez are in his pocket. Those are clearly the deciding votes here.

The most likely outcome is that im fucked and the townblock will dissolve.

If RC is scum here, he has already won the game.

period

[Vecna]

VOTE: Vecna

L-1

What, im at L1? how is that even possible

[Vecna]

Vecna were you scum?

This is such a scummy wannabe post

[SirCakez]

VECNA STOP SPAMMING

[SirCakez]

Just put all your notes in one post some of these things are irrelevant now cuz you're really far behind and stuff has happened

[Vecna]

Cakez is on Vecna with me I thought.

I am along with WANH and Shuichi. Vecna is at L-1.
Either TH, Baezu, Lie Ren or GIF has to hammer

How unfortunate 2 of those have a hard townread on me and the other 2 arent actually playing the game eh?

Boy if only you were realizing the fuckup youre making here

[Vecna]

Just put all your notes in one post some of these things are irrelevant now cuz you're really far behind and stuff has happened

Can you unvote me if im still at L1?

I cannot believe you guys nearly speedhammered me while it was nighttime here.

We need to have an honest talk Cakez

[SirCakez]

You aren't at L-1 anymore WANH and RC invited
Jjh HAS ACTUALLY been speedhammered and flipped town

[SirCakez]

*unvoted not invited
This sort of catch-up dissuades people who are behind from reading the thread because they have to slog through dozens of extra posts.

[Vecna]

Shame, I already had a gutfeeling on JJH based on that one post. If only he hadnt been so apathetic

[Vecna]

I really wish I would know and understand why you continue to scumread me here. If I could just flip you and WANH to trust me here this game would be a townwin in no time (if youre both indeed town)

[SirCakez]

My primary reason continues to be your overreaction to any and all pressure on you. Just look at your posts over the last two pages.

[Vecna]

Continuing catchup in spoiler to reduce spam

Spoiler:

A jjh flip is ok I guess
At least it's SOMETHING

btw i was saying to my hydra partners.

that vote by mastina on jjh was a buss vote.
If jjh flips scum, we need to lynch mastina.

Thank u for ur time.

~fire

THIS POST IS HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS. feels really hard like a reverse townslip to look good upon a flip they wouldve already known to be town

If Mastina is town I'm reporting her for playing against win condition btw.

uh-huh. Like this is different from normal. Or actually anti wincon.

Ok but real talk if JJH is town that means Mastina is lockscum from my point of view and she hammered because she saw the writing on the wall.

Straight up think WW is town because Ali does not hesitate to poop on scum who lurk and do nothing. See Furret Adventure V2 dead thread for most recent example. I don’t think e becomes the very thing e hates

I think farside is pretty town for her play today but her catchup made me think she was very political with her reads.
NSG is town
BBmolla is town I think, but I could be fooled
JJH dead animu but I think still possibly scum given his reaction to hammer actually
Elmo is ??? And probably scum imo

Lets not forget this post. And I agree with the premise that WW is likely town. If only for the weaksauce reason that Alisae thrives on pulling off big scumgames but often cba to play properly as town. Interesting also about the BBmolla read, because I have a similair LURKING SUSPICION. The slot is almost too spic and clean, and ive witnessed that in another game recently where it pulled off very convincing performances with minimal posting. I could be totally wrong ofcourse.

Baezu is my pick for scum in Halloween
I think TH is town because after rereading WF I think I see similar weird things in Auro’s play that I do here
WANH town
RC town
Gamma town
SirCakez struck me as town early in the game but I have mellowed on that read

This readslist im less hot on. Whats your stance on me and ceph slot? Reasoning for Baezu?

What do we do if jjh flips scum?

-bitmap

Hmmm another of these posts obviously thinking the slot will flip scum. Why would JJh make the posts he did if he was anything other than town before this post?

You wouldn't know a case if it bit you.

Why do you think WW is scum?

God, it's been so long since they did anything I don't even remember. I've just thought they were scum since basically when I started playing, I can probably look back to find why, and their continued refusal to do anything even though there are two of them and they don't appear to have a real reason for that is not doing that read any favors.

Strict reminder to question this slot hard on why they voted me and moved to put me in range of lynch after stating so many times im more likely town. Also, not very great reasoning here, but confbias ahoy.

BBmolla is town I think, but I could be fooled

lol dude you've seen my scumplay

I'd be a lot more miserable if I was scum here

pretty sure jj is town

Hmmm, this posts works against the suspicions of the slot maybe fooling us. Scum doing genuine predictions of flips happens, but this just seemed genuine.

Weren't there early indicators of jjh-mastina being scum together

This post by cakez also feels like genuine prediction on flip, and shows a good thought process including the possibility that the weird Mastina insta-hammer was because she needed cred for a scumflip.

Mastina I actually have a high regard of your play
But I would disengaged with ANYONE who is posting like you are currently

Why not trust her townread on me then? Even if she is scum, do you think she would address a teammate like she's been pushing me to go overdrive on RC?

We can still lynch vecna rc...

Just because we can still lynch vecna =/= I want to RIGHT NOW
I want to see the flip

I am kinda confident Christmas will have NSG killed, then Mastina quicklynched to flip town

Sadly I also feel that way. I think itll be turkey that is killed though....for ~reasons~

mastina is open wolfing at this point lmfao

Back to dislike. Guess im getting pocketed by this mastina madness. FML.

It still could be WW

I already said I think their lurking is weakly town indicative.
Gobble has also said that.

More obviously genuine town mindset. If people ever lynch Trojan Horses I will lose my faith in bananabread.

Also fuck you to hell comparing me to a domestic abuser.

what, where did this happen?

Yay!!! I get to die and leave this game

I love you Turkey xoxo

Ugh, all these Baezu posts are so fluffy and without content again. Its almost like the slot is a hydra and I TR one of the heads and the other is just scummy-fluffing all over the place

The more I read this, the more I realize that in TM, the anger was really towards RC and not me from mastina.

Also mastina, you need to earn my respect for me to sheep you. TM did not help that at all.

I'm willing to sheep RC (after having a good town read on him) time and time again because he has delivered results with his contrarian methods.

-bitmap

Those results arent there this game buddy. His scumreads are me and Trojan horses. I dont understand either scumread, but hey.

Hmm
N_M is really hard for me to read. Did anything ping you there aside from predecessor?

No, I'm just PoE-ing from there.
NSG and Gobble both feel town.
Wonderwall has weak reasons to be town.
Farside has reasons to be town.
I think Mastina is still town despite what she did.
Leaves Elmo, Molla, N_M.

<3

i feel like i've seen birdblocks in so many games

how many birds are on ms?

It helps that me Oka and PenguinPower are prolific players so you might just be seeing the same birdbloc over and over again

Don't forget theworst!

So much happening, and Baezu only continues to responds to and post fluff

Cake can I ask you to tell them to fuck off and maintain your vote.

Imagine being told not to talk to anyone

[Vecna]

My primary reason continues to be your overreaction to any and all pressure on you. Just look at your posts over the last two pages.

I do this in absolutely every game, much much more so as town.

I have a record of hardly ever getting mislynched as town, and I take pride in that. If people misread me for bullshit reasons, I take that shit personal and I tryhard even more to be townread. Also because im normally universally townread whenever I am town, and nightkilled N1 in like 60-80% of my games.

That is how I play. Some people get suspicious over that shit. But its the truth.

Im sure quite a few people in this game can attest to what I have just stated to be fact.

If that is the main reason for you to be suspicious, and you care to invest the time, I have plenty of example material to provide.

[Vecna]

Nancy when will you have time to read the game then engage with me

That may take awhile. Anything you suggest in particular I look out for, keep in mind?

I still don’t get how we were ever your “ideal lynch” when Auro has been so obviously town?

At literally no point have you been my favorite lynch.

What is your thought on this post Cakez.

Do you feel this is a fair post to make from RC? Im asking you especially now, because RC really wanted to lynch this slot for quite some time, and you have finally come around now.

[Shuichi Saihara]

after stating so many times im more likely town

??? I said this once and quickly changed my mind

[farside]

I have no idea how to feel about th response to me.
There is a logic behind it but its weird to see people be logical in this environment.

[Trojan Horses]

There still is this alternate reality where youre doing your scum masterpiece this game, then I come in here and lockscum your partner in -Shuichi or Lie Ren- and you have to fight me over it, but in a subtle way where you put me up as the D2-D3 lynch.

It's amazing that you come so close to the answer on RC and then don't have the magical, "hey, waaaaaait a sec..." realization on him.

To be fair, I have succesfully mislynched RC in every game he was town together with me, so yeah, I take that shit a lot more cautiously.

And you portraying this situation like theres such an easy distiction between his town and scum game? What a load of nonsense, ive seen him as scum mislead you plenty of times.

I really cannot fathom why Vecna makes this post as scum. This is a townie thought process through and through.

~N

[Trojan Horses]

If mastina's posts addressed to TH are scum distancing, I have to admit it's pretty good distancing.

VOTE: Vecna

ho-ho look at this

@Sushi, none of this is making any sense. Mastina is treating us just like any player in this game and wtf does that have to do with you putting a naked vote on Vecna?

[Trojan Horses]

Lie Ren could definitely be scum. I'm not really seeing much town motivation or scumhunting in their posts. A lot of coasting-esque posts. A lot of useless posts/active posting. 1114 was bad. Not really any thought to the reads.
My only concern is, knowing that Gamma is behind the alt, that it's just his awkwardness coming off as scumminess.

Town gamma has a lot of genuine townspewing posts. There was a little of it in there.

We just need to see a lot more posts, because when it comes in large volumes it is almost impossible to misread.

That’s why I don’t want to touch Gamma today. I think as the game progresses, his alignment will become clearer. Once again people, how are you sr Vecna here? I seriously do not get it.

~N

[Trojan Horses]

if a Vecna wagon reforms I will back on there in a flash

Guess I shouldve lynched you when I had the chance. Not willing to listen to reason, and

being played like a fiddle.

If you honestly believe this, then you’re pretty much implying you townread him, no? So why would you want to lynch him in that case?

[Trojan Horses]

Man, why is it that when I talk to you red flags and angled of weirdness just pop up all over the place lol.

Because over. and over. and over again.
You keep going.
"Man, this thing from RC is suspicious, but nahhhhh, he must be town.
Oh he's doing this other thing which is suspicious, but nahhhhh, he must be town.
He keeps doing scummy shit, but surely he's still town.
Oh, he's yet again doing something which is sketchy, but he still has to be town."

Sooner or later you've gotta face the facts.

Chances of lynching him at this moment are zero. So I really dont know why you keep talking to me like this.

If he is scum, the hydra and cakez are in his pocket. Those are clearly the deciding votes here.

The most likely outcome is that im fucked and the townblock will dissolve.

If RC is scum here, he has already won the game.

period

Mastina correctly nailed scum!FL in PA. The basic difference was that FL was flaming obvscum, who would have been lynched a lot sooner, if Fire hadn’t locktowned him for reasons I still don’t understand. Scum even thought he was their traitor in that.

Where as there are posts that RC has made that slightly townping me, like Mastina sr nsg for example. I agree with you, unless he is literally playing like in BoP2, he isn’t an easy read.

~N