Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 1.10

LuckyLuciano - (1)

- Yooh,

Kirari Momobami - (2)

- Holdengolden, Luckyluciano,

3bounty - (2)

- humaneatingmonkey, Inwho22

Not Voting (4)

- , Aloratom, Clidd, Kirari Momobami, 3bounty

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-19 06:15:00)

[Yooh]

Sorry to leave you guys hanging. I need to re-read before posting.

Towniest
Monkey :
I saw some kind of aggressiveness from Post #22 and Post #29, but behind that post there is curiosity to know the real problem as it processed, can be seen from Post #29, Post 57, and Post 59. IMO this kind of posts are from town rather than mafias.

To be honest, I liked how he focused on his scum-read while tried to not emerge every time, from post #305. Which I also think this is from town rather than mafias.

The only bothers me is just my paranoia, he still can be scum that tried to seek "easy lynch", as he hard tunneled "newbies", because of post #406. But I can see this post coming from confidence and aggressive town,

who seek the power of friendship

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Kirari :
From how she replied to my question, Post #79 and Post #94,
rectified my questions, looks like coming from town rather than mafia.

Also declaring so many town reads quickly and eagerly in Post #215, I think this is from town also.

What bother me is she declared "math is scummy" in Post #215 and used it in Post #327. I know that she explained my question, but somehow she deliberated to use the hashtag. I also don't like how she used PRs to joke around, but personally both are not alignment indicative. I do like gambit tho if I could.

Aloratom :
The process of questioning from Post #108 to Post #121 is indicating that he tried to understand Lucky's point of view. This is more like coming from town rather than mafias.

I think his vote on Bounty, in Post #343, is very bold move. I think this is coming from town rather than mafia. But after re-read, I don't see Lucky's answering Aloratom's Post #261? Not sure about this.

Bounty :
This is basically only from his bad play in Post #345. This sounds like upset post as proven in follow up posts (Post #349 and Post #359) rather than anything, but I don't think this is a made up post. Sounds like mad town his town-read doesn't believe him rather than mad mafia.

Holden :
I completely don't find any read on him. I did said I don't like his posts (Post #165, Post #182,Post #193, Post #196, Post 198), mainly because it's all fluff. But knowing he likes joking around, especially with Monkey here, who also most times actively calls out Holden, well no comment.

Clidd/Peaches :
Nothing. Literally.

Who22 :
I have no read also in Who, I don't believe him reading 1812 coincidentally, in post #147. Rather than he read it coincidentally, he read Monkey's meta? but I think this is not alignment indicative. I feel like his posts is the most bland from other players.

Lucky :
This guy is no ordinary "newbie" along with Aloratom. I can see what he posted, he truly believed with what he said, so everyone should read like that, from Post #66, Post #170. Seems a tryhard also. I just can't believe this kind of player doing nothing when his reaction is nullified in Post #73. This looks like fake.

[LuckyLuciano]

Can you explain to me how you wanted me to evaluate a reaction test that players didn't react to?

[LuckyLuciano]

How do you feel about Monkey prompting me to continue talking about my meta (59) before going on to say that he finds talking about self meta is scummy (61)?

[Yooh]

You know how you make notes and read people as you go in thread, then later ISO them and you see the big picture? That's why.

But does the big picture nullified the details? I mean, what happen to the town-read?

[Yooh]

Can you explain to me how you wanted me to evaluate a reaction test that players didn't react to?

I did react differently, I guess? I mean I questioning you.

[Yooh]

How do you feel about Monkey prompting me to continue talking about my meta (59) before going on to say that he finds talking about self meta is scummy (61)?

He was trying to understand your meta? Like, if someone give town-meta, I want scum-meta to read also for comparative.

[humaneatingmonkey]

yo yo yo guys i'm gonna re-read this thread later so we can get a lynch and a claim going without the clutch of a deadline

i'm here for quick Q&A on my mindset before the re-read. go ask.

let's start with this:

Yooh asks:

But does the big picture nullified the details? I mean, what happen to the town-read?

It's more important to react on the spot, and then go back on the day to get a recap. That way, confident scum think they have the gamestate locked when there's 100% a chance you're gonna change your mind. Big picture is better, because you understand the motives and patterns. Details are nitpicks you react to. That's just me. If you're asking to learn more, ask other people.

[3bounty]

VOTE: Aloratom

"it was just a test" excuse doesn't sit well. Whether it was ignoring peaches multiple times or voting on my wagon, he used this line. Come to think of it, you can get away with anything with - well actually it was just a test carry on.

[LuckyLuciano]

Here's something to discuss:

UNVOTE: Holden
VOTE: Monkey

Gut. Something about showing concern about a player being at L-2, and leaving his vote on that player feels off to me. Is this concern genuine, or is he looking for an reason to FOS somebody?

[LuckyLuciano]

There actually could be scum in holden ll, I just don't know which is scummier between self meta and the push

Seems counterproductive.

I think we can safely say the self-meta more "was" counterproductive then 'seemed' that way

Was it scummy or counterproductive? Does your stance on the self-meta change depending on who you talk to? What does everyone else think about this. Inconsistent or nah?

[LuckyLuciano]

It just sounds more to me that he's scum trying his best to look like he's scumhunting, than town responding to something that they're suspicious about. I feel this because I really don't understand his case against me.

@Monkey, when you said my case against you, were you referring to 12 or 21?

[LuckyLuciano]

Your tone and your process feel off

and how you got tame so fast after you got the spotlight makes me rub my chin.
Now I want to hear what's on everyone's mind.

Feels off compared to what? For something to be off there has to be a baseline to compare it to.

[LuckyLuciano]

There actually could be scum in holden ll, I just don't know which is scummier between self meta and the push

By your logic, isn't Monkey scummier than Who22?

Not sure I understand what Yooh is referring to here.

[LuckyLuciano]

pedit: I don't see a pressing reason to change my vote yet. I like the counterwagon on InWho, but I'm still waiting for his response to jump over. I'd rather pressure players who are around early on than those who are not, so that we can build interactions and get the game started. Again, look at my early votes in other games, I always redirect to active players.

Can you enlighten me your read in Monkey? (And sorry, I don't want to read your finished games)

See 12.

[LuckyLuciano]

How? I don't see it. She gave no explanation.

This post looks more town than scum imo. I saw concern in InWho's vote, and when Kirari saw it scummy I assumed they saw it as scummy for the same reason, so in my mind they had an explanation for the vote being scummy. I feel that 3b's tone here is inquisitive, like he genuinely wants to know the answer.

[LuckyLuciano]

Rather, it feels oddly constructed as if you are scum trying to generate content. The fact that you soft push Monkey for it when nothing has push the game out of RVS is scummy as hell.

don't like this post

You are more than welcome to expand the central idea of this post

^

[LuckyLuciano]

LL v HEM screams scum vs scum to me. Thoughts?

Side question,

What gave you the idea that was SVS over something like TvS?

^

[LuckyLuciano]

Not much, since most players didn't actually react to it.

So what do you think about post #36?

I guess this is the stuff Yooh was talking about recently. 36 says nothing about the specifics of my interaction with Monkey, so when you asked me later in the game why I didn't go over reactions to our interaction, it's because I didn't remember it as a meaningful reaction.

[LuckyLuciano]

Because I see it as scummy also, and I know I'm town, therefore I understand why town might see it as scummy? This day one is going to be insufferable, isn't it?

So you're confident she is town? And I still don't get why you or her saw it as scummy. This post didn't answer.

I saw InWho's RVS vote as scummy because it was explicitly not random, and therefore has a motive. The motive was to even the wagon. I think tying a 3-way wagon is sketchier than breaking the tie on a 2-way wagon.

As for my reaction to this post, it fits with the idea of newbie town trying to figure out how to navigate a mafia game. I feel like 3b's play is true newbie either way, and I feel that a newbie mafia either wouldn't follow up or would follow up with a more accusational tone.

[LuckyLuciano]

LL v HEM screams scum vs scum to me. Thoughts?

Side question,

What gave you the idea that was SVS over something like TvS?

Seemed like distancing. There was also something thrown in there about how scum would never vote eachother in that scenario, and they were voting eachother.

This is in response to 28. I don't think his analysis is the most prolific, but he's clearly trying at this point in the game.

[LuckyLuciano]

To be fair, I also follow my gut.

Can you answer my post #84, please?

Also, can you tell us the reason why you town read Holden?

Lol, I really did ignore Yooh all game.

[LuckyLuciano]

I would have thought the push was more from holden?

I feel like this is some sort of miscommunication

Yep, I still have no idea wtf is going on with this line of discussion.

[LuckyLuciano]

I don't understand why I'm not allowed to have gut pings day one and everything has to be a final read, but this day phase illustrates everything I hate about day one so I'm probably going to mostly peace out until day two.

Relax

Don't tell me how to live my life.

[LuckyLuciano]

I feel like thinking 'what if the person reading the game the same way as me is scum' is just about the least efficient way to play day 1

Yuuup.