Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Ginngie]

I refuse to engage in that because that is itching for a rule break and fuck that.

I dont bitch. If I bitch. Its for good reason.

[Ginngie]

Im gonna make the bold claim that everyone over 100 posts as of this moment is town.

[Ginngie]

That is going to be the start of my PoE

[Pink Ball]

Farkran,

See what occurs when I am displeased?

My psyche is split between two dimensions that impact both at once.

I must assassinate my clone to retain sanity. Good morning to you.

Best post of the game so far

[Ame]

Farkran I don't care about 892. I'll take Kerset's word that this is your normal approach. You've not addressed the strongest component of my case: 893. Furthermore, your response to 887 and 891 are unsatisfactory as you have failed to address the actual points I am making, and instead are straw-manning, making the argument about me wanting you to have 100% reads, when in reality I care nothing of the sort.

Components of Ame's Case

[1] 887 + 891

insufficient response

[2] 892

successfully countered

[3] 893

unaddressed

[Ame]

Im gonna make the bold claim that everyone over 100 posts as of this moment is town.

This seems deraily.

[Professor Moriarty]

@MOD: Are quest leader votes displayed to everyone when we enter quest?

Yes, leader votes are made in the quest PT.

VC coming up momentarily.

[Professor Moriarty]

VC 1.6

[Capture] springlullaby (4)- momo, Pine, Not Known 15, Farkset
[Capture] Farkset (3)- springlullaby, Ame, Flight of the Conchords
[Capture] Lady Chloe (1)- mastina
[Capture] Pine (1)- Pink Ball
[Capture] momo (1)- Hectic

End Day (1)- Lady Chloe

Not voting (2)- Ginngie, Raya36

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-20 13:00:00)

Mod notes:

Please keep it civil. We don't need personal attacks or insults.

Public Mechanic Vote

Disable Strongman (10)- Farkset, Lady Chloe, springlullaby, Raya36, Pine, Not Known 15, mastina, Ginngie, Ame, Pink Ball
Neighborizer (3)- momo, Flight of the Conchords, Hectic

Not voting (0)- Nobody

[Farkset]

Ame, i have already addressed all of your points. Hectic was able to understand what i was saying in 805, if you cannot understand that there's nothing i can do about it. Your 893 is just another reiteration of you asking me to have a level of confidence on my read of springlullaby that i cannot possibly have at this point in time.

Open your mind, reread, and find the answers for yourself. I am not going to engage you again on the same questions.

Still waiting for your scumgames, i'm going to search for them anyways later but i'd be grateful if you could save me the effort.

-Farkran

[springlullaby]

Im gonna make the bold claim that everyone over 100 posts as of this moment is town.

Does this mean I'm getting your quest leader vote?

[springlullaby]

I refuse to put in effort when you're a live. You're a fucking headache and I'm not going to get drowned out by 20 posts a day spam.

This is ad hominem by the way Giingie.

[Lady Chloe]

901, 902, and 905 are posts I would like engagement on.

[Ame]

Hectic

, do you agree or disagree that the dichotomy Farkset originally presented in 553 is different from that presented in 760/888 (the relevant snippet can be found in 891)?

I also would like these addressed when you get the chance: bottom line of 792 and 2&3 of 798.

[Hectic]

How can you tell I'm here lurking, Ame?

[Hectic]

No. This is what you forced upon me, the false dichotomy that you've been talking about but was never there in the first place. The true dichotomy is "people who behaved weirdly around springlullaby" VS "people who had reasons behind their behavior around springlullaby". And it's different than what you said there.

Nope. It's literally what you said:

1) distance themselves by

having the scumteam side with or against springlullaby

2) those who are

siding against her

(and the majority) are

pushing a very easy lhf

3) those who are

siding with her

will be

pocketing her

hard because she is the one with surface reads/reactions

There are people whiteknighting him for very little reason and people who instead sheep the attackers. Depending on her flip i think

we can identify if she was being TMIed town or chainsaw defended as scum.

Alright, so your case here is that Farkan is approaching the advantages to lynching springlullaby in too many directions, correct? Since he's proposed lynching her allows us to look into-

this if she's town:

Scum TMIing her as town.
Scum pushing a low hanging fruit.
Scum pocketing her.

this if she's scum:

Scum chainsaw defending her.

I don't think in your heart (or possibly mind) you really believe she is scum. Don't let the bias cloud your judgment! If Spring is just a fallback why haven't you pushed anyone else? Also why do you keep engaging with Spring when clearly nothing is coming out of your interaction except a loop of 'NO U'

You are correct. I think she's probably town but it's a read I'd feel terrible about being wrong on. I keep trying to engage with her because I see thought processes/reads that don't make sense to me, but she doesn't seem to want to answer my questions with anything other than "^scum that doesn't read the thread", so I've given up now. I don't have a reason for not trying to push anyone else.

Hectic (1) what do you think about the case Farkset made in 454? (2) What do you think about the reasoning in their post here:

Unless i have past experiences with you, i'd like to see you quote some posts of mine that are surface level and delusional/manipulative.

For the record, based on this post, 550 and 313 VS the "opposition" i think there is a clear fracture around springlullaby and how to treat her slot. There is only one reason currently to believe she could be town, and that's how others are behaving around her. I think it's more than plausible that scum are putting up a theater to achieve several results:

1) distance themselves by having the scumteam side with or against springlullaby
2) those who are siding against her (and the majority) are pushing a very easy lhf
3) those who are siding with her will be pocketing her hard because she is the one with surface reads/reactions

(3) Are you able to interpret the first part of 760? And if so could you translate? If not, what's your best guess?

1 - Pretty weak honestly. I think the theory is towny though because a tinfoil theory like that is more likely to come from someone with a green role, to be thinking about those sort of things.
2 - That post is kind of strange because he's expressing strong confidence in springlullaby being scum, unless people around her are behaving in a certain way. I fail to understand why how people are acting around her makes an independent scumread on her weaker. I can see what you mean that he's trying to approach from all angles and is being too "political".
3 - I've answered this!

[Hectic]

Blessed Ones,

And even if spring was scum which is unlikely, roleblocking a claimed voyeur is not ideal

This is the underlying point on why I haven't voted to capture springlullaby.

As well as point on my hesitance to capture. Some PRs may mechanically need as many XP-gain opportunities as available to effectively serve town.

Capture is not a lynch, but some town players may feel the reward of using their powers to it's highest potential to outweigh the risk of claiming.

This is my final point on the ability of no capture. I accept rebuttals.

I agree on not capturing springlullaby today. However, do you not think it beneficial to capture someone due to what Kerset said here?

You forgot about xp drain. When scum gets captured they lose all xp and they can't gain this on n1. On n2 they need to train, so it disables their killing abilities them up to n3.
It's main advantage is that it narrows down people capable of nighkilling.
~Kerset

• Mafia lose XP if captured. Town do not.
  
• We can rule out someone from being able to perform the scum nightkill on night 1 and 2.

[Ame]

Spoiler:

<Your daily FARKSCUM interlude>

In a game where scum have incentive to doubt others at any possible angle

Very good point.++

If you read Farkset. I mean

really

read it *cougPinecough* you'll see that you'll get a vague ok impression at first, because the slot speaks a lot.
BUT if you filter for what is said, the net total of about all their posts repeat a same single message: "everyone can be suspicious".
He has up until now, even on me who is "50/50", provided exactly zero read.

</Your daily FARKSCUM interlude>

^This

How can you tell I'm here lurking, Ame?

It says you're online on the bottom of the page.

[Hectic]

momo, could you look over the reasons Ame's given for springlullaby being town, and see if you still think she should be captured today?
585 602 792

[Hectic]

Hectic,

As you wish, Lady Chloe.

You are on the RMS Moriarty. The course is set for

XP Island

. However, a tragedy has occurred. Captain

the worst

was killed in a freak accident while

Vending Fruit

to a

Paranoid Gun Owner

. The PGO fled the scene before anyone got a good look at them.

A short time later: springlullaby was found singing poems about Farkset nearby, while Ame was practising her demonic faces. You have a [Hydra, and Portable Ram] at your disposal.

Hydra. They have more eyes for different ways of seeing, and lips to make it harder to speak any lies.

Nice. You carefully take out the hydra you had stored in your backpack. This one has 3 heads, and you hear several complaints behind you about how you're "ruining the game" and that "all hydras should be policy lynched". Your hydra snaps at them and scares the heathens away.

springlullaby has stopped singing Farkset's praises and is now staring at you inquisitively. Her eyes are sending a flurry of ^s your way. Ame seems to have fallen asleep; she must be entering her dreams to figure out the mastermind behind Captain

the worst's

murder.

Which players from [Flavor Leaf, Ginnie, Something_Smart, momo, Raya36, popsofctown] does your hydra contain? And who would you like to approach of [springlullaby, Ame]?

[Hectic]

How can you tell I'm here lurking, Ame?

It says you're online on the bottom of the page.

You're bamboozling me, right?

Prove it with a screenshot.

[Ame]

How can you tell I'm here lurking, Ame?

It says you're online on the bottom of the page.

You're bamboozling me, right?

Prove it with a screenshot.

https://i.ibb.co/NmWShfM/ms/snippet015.jpg

[Hectic]

That jumpscared me lol

[Ame]

xD

[Ame]

^This

Like the "sorting" reads really fake to me:

Spoiler:

I think the risk for disaster is too high compared to the benefit. Effort put into mechbreaking the setup is still town points to me though - i don't think scum would try that much to validate a train cop strategy

I am still unable to sort you based on this, because there is a significant chance that you are tunneled town, but you should reread your own words and mine by making sure to remove confbias - you will realize that i have my own reasons to say what i have said, and you have been unable or unwilling to understand them.

Honestly - you put effort into this case, but it's weak, reachy and loaded. This is worth analyzing - is this outside of your scumrange? Please link some of your scumgames.

Still waiting for your scumgames, i'm going to search for them anyways later but i'd be grateful if you could save me the effort.

[Farkset]

Spoiler:

<Your daily FARKSCUM interlude>

In a game where scum have incentive to doubt others at any possible angle

Very good point.++

If you read Farkset. I mean

really

read it *cougPinecough* you'll see that you'll get a vague ok impression at first, because the slot speaks a lot.
BUT if you filter for what is said, the net total of about all their posts repeat a same single message: "everyone can be suspicious".
He has up until now, even on me who is "50/50", provided exactly zero read.

</Your daily FARKSCUM interlude>

^This

Are you like for real? This is obvious level burden of proficiency...
~ker