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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:03 am

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In post 210, Yooh wrote:
In post 131, LuckyLuciano wrote: Being wrong is null.
Alright, my real problem is you're playing very passively when you were trying to get reaction. I don't even know why you never ask me asked so many questions. I get you're pressured, i get you're playing defensively, i don't know the reason though, but personally I don't like waiting and watching when I get null reaction.
:lol: , I feel bad for ignoring Yooh so much, I didn't realize how bad it was
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:03 am

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In post 211, Yooh wrote:
In post 107, InWho22 wrote:So far, I don't feel like LL is certain scum but I definitely can't place him as town either, based on his anti-town behavior.
Are there any reason to keep your vote in him?
Go get em tiger!
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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:03 am

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In post 213, Yooh wrote:I don't like Holden's posts at page 7 and 8, but maybe I'm just too serious for this.
Probably a reasonable conclusion.
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:05 am

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In post 214, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 208, Yooh wrote:
In post 96, Kirari Momobami wrote:I feel like thinking 'what if the person reading the game the same way as me is scum' is just about the least efficient way to play day 1
This is sound like "best practical play". Would you teach me more about this (For all SE) ? I get the point it might be not efficient, but following someone / being followed bring up a lot of paranoia. If this is not allowed to discussed, remind me when the game's end.
In essence, this game espeically on day one is a game of philosophy. The reason its tend not to be good practice to suspect your town reads is that it wides what is called a PoE pool. PoE is process of elimination, and is the strongest ability for town to catch scum. If you can get enough town reads together that you feel 70-99% sure of, you can win the game.

Now can you be wrong? Absolutely, but those players will most likely out themselves as scum at some point. A post you read day 3 sounds sketchy than it did day 1. That's fine to make a different judgement call then. But constantly thinking your townreads can still be scum nullifies the point of a townread.

This is also relating to the principle of octums razor, IE the simplest explanation is the likely solution.
Why does it feel like you had a minor stroke while writing this?
Also, occam's razor.
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:06 am

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In post 215, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 107, InWho22 wrote:Also, this is my first game, so take this more as stream of consciousness than thought-out ideas until I get a grip on the game.
good sentence
If one were to partake in close analysis, the above sentence is - to be quite frank - an objectively bad sentence.
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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:08 am

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In post 216, HoldenGolden wrote:In other news, I feel better moving Yooh to a townlean.
Same.
In post 213, Yooh wrote:I don't like Holden's posts at page 7 and 8, but maybe I'm just too serious for this.
Feel free to expand the main idea of your post.
Holden has a lot of these posts seeking to understand people with a neutral approach. Good scum know to do this, but it's good enough for a day pass to LuckyTown's Wonderland. If that sounds inappropriate, you are a sick person.
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:09 am

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In post 217, Kirari Momobami wrote:ngl for 5 pages of all the people I said were scum talking to each other those 5 pages did not help my reads nearly as much as I would have liked them to
I don't like you. That's not, "I don't like you" as in, "I feel like you are scum." That's, "I don't like you" as in, "I don't like you". Now let's have a fun and cooperative game!

VOTE: peaches anyway it is time for content pushes so I'll join this[/quote]

Okay, I don't hate you.
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:09 am

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In post 218, HoldenGolden wrote:Fuck my bad. Just did my latin work so I didnt spell it right. The correct name is occam's razor.
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:10 am

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In post 221, 3bounty wrote:
In post 220, Kirari Momobami wrote:Probably too early for a readslist request but 3bounty could you talk about a wider range of players in the game because you're the next lowest after peaches in my "need more content" list
Which player specifically? I am getting town vibes from Holden if that helps.
Me too.
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:10 am

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In post 222, 3bounty wrote:InWho22 neutral.
Me too.
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:11 am

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Monkey is going to get such a Lucky + 3b scumteam boner when he comes back.
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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:11 am

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In post 225, 3bounty wrote:Alo town - scum would be less likely to ignore questions from other players. He just outright ignored peaches question.
I get this reasoning. I think it's wrong, but I understand where it comes from.
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:13 am

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In post 226, InWho22 wrote:Alright, so: I read the game through a couple times, just keeping in mind @HEM 's concept of genuinity.
This is what I came up with: (Also this was written as post 206, none after that point considered).
Spoiler: 3bounty
There is very little to go off here, I only found 5 actual posts. During these few posts, 3bounty accomplishes:
Asking other peoples' thoughts before providing his own.
Asking 2 minor questions directed at an already targeted player.
And finally explaining his own thought on the question he asked several pages ago.
Conclusion: 3bounty hasn't really contributed anything to the game at the moment, and what he has contributed does not seem genuine in that it doesn't feel like it's
actually
meant to further the game. I do not know which of town/mafia is most likely, as I'm not sure if he's actively lurking or just caught up irl.

Spoiler: Yooh
Yooh is in somewhat the same camp of having been not-so-active. What Yooh accomplishes over 9 posts is an RVS vote, a single question at Kirari, and
5
questions for LL, the already targeted player.
Conclusion: Yooh has definitely been of more help in my eyes, but the fact that all of his questions are meant for the already popular target makes it hard for me to see him as actually trying to progress in the game.

Spoiler: Aloratom
Alora is, like the two above, not the most active player in the world. I found 11 actual posts which accomplished:
Asking LL 5 theory-related questions and doubting them because he misunderstands them.
Asking 3b a single minor question, and repeating HEM's question at LL.
And finally: providing a single actual answer and read!
Conclusion: Alora contributes to the game almost exclusively what I see as unrelated theory questions, meant to just produce
some
amount of content. Not convinced.

Spoiler: Kirari
In the 8 actual posts I found, Kirari:
Calls InWho22 (me lol) scummy twice without explanation.
Calls Holden possibly scummy without much explanation.
Explains in a single sentence why I was scummy (which did make sense, just pointing it out).
Tells Holden he doesn't like a post, and answers Yooh's questions with: non-answers!
Conclusion: This slot feels like it is lashing out at a lot of slots just because it can, and while it doesn't provide much extra information, is it actually not genuine? Kir is at a weird spot for me here, because it feels like there is actually an intent to move the game forward, just not the action to do it. Hm.

Spoiler: HoldenGolden
Now it gets a lot more interesting, as there is actually content to go on here. Holden has done a lot of good for the furthering of the game in my eyes: He has asked most players actual furthering questions, which is already more than all of the above. This seems like genuine care to obtain knowledge. Good boy!

Spoiler: HEM
HEM, like Holden, has asked a lot of game-furthering questions. I do see him tunneling a lot on LL, and it would be appreciated if he took a while focusing on other players (although someone else needs to be active then lol). He mentions this himself though, which strengthens my view of him. He wants people to contribute, and in doing so ups town's chances. Genuine and very town.

Spoiler: LuckyLuciano
As said above, LL is probably the most targeted player currently, and I do understand why. He has also been the most active player though, which mafia or not, has furthered the game. He spent a lot of time in the beginning being frustrated that Monkey didn't go with him on a single weird-and-probably-NAI whim, and has actually spent a lot of the game since getting frustrated. I do not believe though, that this 100% comes from an ungenuine position, as he seems like a player who should know that this kind of engagement doesn't get you in the peoples' favor. I wish to see some focus on any other player, and get to watch LL not just defending himself from HEM.

So my reads (ATM solely based on genuinity, and 110% subject to change):
-Town-
Holden, HEM
Yooh, Kir, LL
Alora, 3b
-Scum-
(Also I hope this was useful, first time spending so much time on a post heh)
I've read about half of this total through both my readthroughs of the game. I like it though.
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:14 am

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I finished my basic impressions on Aloratom:

Spoiler:
In post 108, Aloratom wrote:
Isn't thinking critically more difficult than superficially?
Why should making the easy points get more Town cred than the harder ones?
In post 112, Aloratom wrote: If playing scum means you're paying more attention to detail,
why would you not realize your vote isn't being counted?
Or am I misreading you?
In post 113, Aloratom wrote: I think you said that the easy points should get small Town cred.
Or did you mean less Town cred?
In post 116, Aloratom wrote: 1) So the easier points deserve less Town cred.

2) Mafia are more likely to keep track of where there RVS vote is.

Are those both fair, even if simplistic, representations of
what you were saying?
In post 118, Aloratom wrote:
What do you mean by the bolded?
I find this sequence of questions in 5 posts unusual, as it doesn't seem natural to a
Town!Aloratom
present himself so confusedly. I feel that in 1~2 posts, he could have clarified doubts on the subject without unnecessarily stretching the interaction. I'm not sure if lack of attention is an interpersonal characteristic of him, or if there was, in fact, a greater interest in prolonging his private questionnaire. In any case, I will consider
NAI
, considering that these were some of his first posts in the game.
In post 149, Aloratom wrote: I don't generally look at timestamps unless I need to, and any misinterpretation is why I ask questions. We cleared up the first two, and I think we're clearing this one also. I didn't realize that a night had passed before your vote, only that Humane had asked you about it. But it doesn't look good that you changed your vote just to appease someone else.
In this post, he makes reference to post , rebuking the attitude of the exchange of votes, but without really analyzing what could have caused this. I feel that his behavior of commenting in several directions, without engaging deeply in the subject, is an attitude of dispersing attention, which in my opinion, is a
scummy
instance. Posts and are examples of this.
In post 190, Aloratom wrote:
In post 188, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Repeat the sentence, but in English
I think you can figure it out.
The context is basically Monkey not understanding the wording of post , but showing it in a somewhat rude way, causing a negative reaction of ignorance on the part of Aloratom. I believe that
Scum!Aloratom
, in this situation, would have been able to reformulate the phrase that Monkey did not understand, in order not to attract so much attention. His ignorance, however, indicates a nuisance quite similar to when someone is offended, in the sense that perhaps post was interpreted as a "debauchery" of Aloratom's written ability. Which, for me, is compatible with the scenario
Town!Aloratom
interpreting as something offensive and closing the communication channel. If Monkey had not explained in post the reason why he did not understand, it is very likely that the apology in post would not happen. I feel that there was some towny *empathy* after he noticed that Monkey is a foreigner.
In post 316, Aloratom wrote:I don't understand what you're getting at here.
If two people jump on and lynch Peaches, and she's Town, we get a lot of information out of that
.
In post 325, Aloratom wrote: Wagon analysis. Like Humane said,
if Peaches flips green, there's a certain probability that at least one mafia is on the wagon now
. An early wagon like this with a silent player is an easy one for scum to slide in on unnoticed -- there is built-in reasoning for voting. On Day 2, we would take a look at who was on her wagon, when they joined and under what circumstances they joined. Everyone on the wagon would be under scrutiny. That would narrow down our game solve considerably.
1.
Actually, the lynch of absent slots fits the lynch policy better than obtaining information. In order to obtain associative information about a player, it is interesting that he has interactions with other players, and this implies having at least a considerable number of posts. Now, bringing it to our context: how would you get information with the lynch of a slot that has only 3 posts ? it's a strange logic coming from a town perspective.

2.
Yes, I have seen it happen in other games. However, the premise of focusing on 5 players specifically for the suspicion of having 1 scum seems to me to be inefficient, as it stimulates paranoia and discourages the evaluation of other players outside the wagon. Not to mention, of course, that depending on the competence of the scums players, it is possible that they will refrain from participating in the wagon, precisely because they are already aware of the flip and wait for towncred on D2. In any case, these two posts present a logic that has no beneficial applicability for town alignment and probably reflect a particular opinion that makes more sense in the
Scum!Aloratom
scenario trying to simulate towny speculation.
In post 284, Aloratom wrote: I think you're probably Town. And I like your push on Peaches to encourage activity. Pressure votes are good.

VOTE: Peaches

I think that's just L-2.
In post 366, Aloratom wrote:
In post 350, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What's the vote count? Did Alo really put 3bounty at L-1?
Is he at L-1?

I didn't realize that. I didn't think he had any votes on him.

UNVOTE: 3bounty
I feel that Aloratom, as a player, has a very sporadic nature and is difficult to assess. In post , for example, he mentions that he thinks InWho () is town, then superficially praises the Peaches push with a generic motive, ending by saying that pressure votes are good. I feel that the three sentences are very vague and precarious in development, especially since there is no expressive sequence that allows him to expand this impression for a more elaborate discussion. In post , his reaction is very strange and the split formatting of the two sentences of
''I didn't realize''
and
''I didn't think''
seem formulated in a way to fill space, as if he wanted to deliver an unnatural reaction to Monkey's post. The lack of attention I mentioned in his initial ~ post sequences is also present here. The question would be:
Scum!Aloratom
and
Town!Aloratom
share the same peculiarly atypical playstyle ?

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Conclusion:
The difficulty of focusing and directing questions in many directions, without frequent development/elaboration, are characteristics of inconsistency that I classify as anti-town, precisely because they are not beneficial, in my opinion, in contributing to the resolution of the game. I did a quick count of the number of question marks he typed in his ISO and the result was approximately 30, almost half of all his posts (65). Unlike Luciano, I believe that his active participation is not as impactful as I would like it to be, because asking many questions without extracting or developing an expressive inference is far from being a towny thing. I believe I cannot feel confident in his slot and it is likely that in the long run this will materialize at a disadvantage not only for me, but for everyone. I took a look at some of his past games, which have been discriminated by Luciano previously, and although this *strangeness* is something he presents in every game, I am not comfortable dealing with it. Therefore, I would say that it is a viable lynch option for today, at least until I engage with other slots.

VOTE: Aloratom
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:14 am

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In post 227, InWho22 wrote:Will now read the new content :)
That smiley looks diabolical. Do you think it looks diabolical, InWho22? This is a question of the utmost importance.
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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:16 am

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In post 712, LuckyLuciano wrote:I've read about half of this total through both my readthroughs of the game. I like it though.
If you don't closely analyze a single wallpost, how do you think people react to three pages of stream of consciousness posting?
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:17 am

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In post 228, 3bounty wrote:
In post 223, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 222, 3bounty wrote:InWho22 neutral.
Are you still satisfied with your rvs vote then?
Those aren't meant to be satisfying in the first place. Who is your top scum read and why?
In retrospect, this doesn't look as bad. Kirari took specific interest in the posts just before this one and I can see it giving 3b that sort of slight discomfort that causes him to question Kirari.
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Post Post #717 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:18 am

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In post 715, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 712, LuckyLuciano wrote:I've read about half of this total through both my readthroughs of the game. I like it though.
If you don't closely analyze a single wallpost, how do you think people react to three pages of stream of consciousness posting?
Because day 1 is more gut than anything. I'll read into his reasoning when I look back in later days, but I care more about how people
feel
to me on day one than whether their arguments make sense.
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:18 am

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Follow-up, breaking down the reasoning for a player's reads towards other players is far more informative after we have flips.
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:24 am

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I really don't feel like going through 25 more pages. I'm bored though, so I might. At this point in the reread I'm feeling,

Yooh
Holden
3b


InWho
Kirari

Monkey
Alo


Both nulls are town-lean, peaches is absent. That's only taking into consideration the posts up to my most recently quoted part of the re-read.
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:28 am

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I feel like I forgot about Holden and Yooh in the game. This monopoly of attention has deconcentrated me.
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:32 am

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Hey Clidd, how familiar are you with semiotics?
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:33 am

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I'm going to continue this public reread for a few more pages because I'm almost at the spicy part of the game, and it goes back to shit shortly after so I'll stop after the whole 3b/Alo interaction thing.
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:34 am

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In post 233, 3bounty wrote:All I got for you is that I agree on your holden take. The rest just seems like you are trying to fill the post with words.
I don't think scum takes a polarizing stance here. For clarity, I don't mean he is polarizing himself with reference to the players list as a whole, but particularly with reference to InWho.
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:35 am

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In post 237, 3bounty wrote:
In post 231, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 225, 3bounty wrote:Alo town - scum would be less likely to ignore questions from other players. He just outright ignored peaches question.
Can you explain your rationale here more?

I get the notion that scum tends to read the thread more closely, but peaches has been such a non entity it's not like Alo has exactly been punished for skipping a question.

I honestly forgot about peaches until last page
Would scum miss the question? He legit posted 10 mins after the post without answering it. I am not saying it's imossible for scum to do such a thing but less likely.
Consistency is good.
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