Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[clidd]

With Aloratom's recent posts, I am increasingly confident that he is scum.

[HoldenGolden]

Monkey, chill.

There's reasonably discussing someone reads and then there is you being a mock Adam sandler flipping out. I find Alo's case sketchy as well, but throwing counter arguments out like that in tone wont help nobody but scum (unless I'm wrong on you being town in which case good job I suppose?)

VOTE: Alo insert rest of name here

I'm fine with this at this point for the time being.

[clidd]

I can't imagine a perspective

Town!Aloratom

where he suddenly appears without trying to understand the context of what is happening and inserts a random vote (769).

My guess is that he was watching the discussion to see what direction it would take, until he decided (probably not alone), that he would take advantage of Luciano's speculation (post 742) about the scum pair

Aloratom + Monkey

to try to stimulate paranoia and convert it into a counter-wagon, or at least, to raise suspicions about monkey on the pretext of wifom:

''A scum would not vote for the partner''

.

[humaneatingmonkey]

With 5 saying that they're willing to lynch Alo: 3b, clidd, Holden, Lucky, Kirari — a claim is in order.

[clidd]

This tell:

Okay I answered this before as scum (my previous game with Holden), but this is how I figure out if someone is town vs scum: organic behavior and town motivation vs inorganic behavior and wolfy motivation.

The stark lack of progression on me:

I'm just going to wait for either Peaches or Peaches' replacement, then we'll proceed with operation lynch LL/3bounty. I suggest LL first.
Alo is town, depending on how 3bounty or LL flips.
Kirari is the softest townread in my town block.
Meanwhile, I'm confident with InWho22 and Holden as town.
The only thing that can change my mind is a flip, or if Peaches' slot shifts the dynamics. I doubt that will happen since it's very easy for scum!Peaches to just sheep the town to get town!3bounty lynched. I doubt Peaches and 3bounty has any associations.

I think both are good polar candidates. Both wagons provide three days worth of content for us to analyze. Both wagons have generated enough interaction with players to make things AI. Both players have only offered so much in content that I don't think it would be much of a loss to lynch either.

3bounty Town to scum in 9 minutes:

Anyone spell it out for me why 3bounty is scum? I'm honestly reading him as town here.

OH you know what, you're really scummy

3bounty

From what you say, I can see from your style that you're thinking out loud. What you don't do is follow through — only taking the safest vote on Peach, the inactive player. You said you're struggling to find decent scumreads, but you've really thrown at least 3 scumreads throughout the game: Me, LL, and InWho22.

You went from Alo being town (#225, #263) to scum (#345), for the same thing — ignoring people's question. Either I'm not understanding your process, or you don't have one. I'm betting you don't have one. If you do, I want to be enlightened.

What's good, 3bounty?

The fact that this is not in chronological order indicates that he saved these posts separately, as if he were *hunting* reasons to suspect Monkey, and then put them together.

Yep, Aloratom is mafia.

[clidd]

* Chronological order in the sense of the large temporal distance between the posts. He looked for very specific things to show.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Monkey, chill.

It's a recurring theme that people think I'm way angrier or upset than I am. I'm very laidback.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 1.11

LuckyLuciano - (1)

- Yooh,

3bounty - (2)

- humaneatingmonkey, Inwho22

Aloratom - (3)

- 3bounty, LuckyLuciano, Holdengolden

humaneatingmonkey - (1)

- Aloratom

Not Voting (2)

- Clidd, Kirari Momobami,

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-19 06:15:00)

[clidd]

It seems that my vote did not count, probably because it was inside the 'spoiler' on my post 713.

[clidd]

VOTE: Aloratom

L-1

[Elmo TeH AzN]

It seems that my vote did not count, probably because it was inside the 'spoiler' on my post 713.

Apologies but yes because it felt "hidden" Please don't hide votes like that in spoilers.

Thanks Elmo.

[clidd]

No problem, I forgot that detail.

Also:

I need someone declaring intention to hammer.

[HoldenGolden]

I'm going to assume that HEM is going to hammer.

Alo claim please

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm assuming Kirari would.

[Yooh]

Just woke up so fast post a bit

It is right I'm not willing to vote my both town read. It seems Aloratom disagree with reading big picture can provide another read. I would like to know why.

Other hands, scum-Aloratom doesn't want to vote badtownplay-Bounty is too weird, especially in this condition.

[humaneatingmonkey]

That's actually a fair point, Yooh. I've been thinking about it now. Alo has no reason to just put weight on Bounty's wagon, since Bounty and Alo can't be SvS. I believe Bounty is more likely to be scum than Alo, but I really want to get a claim going since it's clear the majority wants to lynch Alo thus it would happen anyway.

After Alo claims, I'll do an ISO on both Bounty and Kirari. I think if Alo is town (and if he claims PR here, I'll believe him), Bounty or Kirari is most probably scum.

Yes, I said I'd do one earlier. Yes, it's been a lot of hours. Yes, I'm super lazy.

[Kirari Momobami]

For the record, if this was not newbie queue I would have already hammered :3

[Kirari Momobami]

That's actually a fair point, Yooh. I've been thinking about it now. Alo has no reason to just put weight on Bounty's wagon, since Bounty and Alo can't be SvS. I believe Bounty is more likely to be scum than Alo, but I really want to get a claim going since it's clear the majority wants to lynch Alo thus it would happen anyway.

After Alo claims, I'll do an ISO on both Bounty and Kirari. I think if Alo is town (and if he claims PR here, I'll believe him), Bounty or Kirari is most probably scum.

Yes, I said I'd do one earlier. Yes, it's been a lot of hours. Yes, I'm super lazy.

I think we should all keep me as a universal townread no matter which way day 1 flip goes :3

[3bounty]

VOTE: Aloratom

[3bounty]

JK.

Where is Alo?

[Aloratom]

I'm VT. Mechanically, Town's best play is to hammer. The team is likely humane/Clidd. I don't have the time to walk through it, but the short version is Clidd's read on me is essentially a surface read even though there are a lot of words. For example, he goes into a long critique of my wagon theory, which was just a small portion of my Day 1 content and was NAI, but doesn't really tie that in to anything. Town!Clidd puts more effort into substantive analysis. In addition, Town!Clidd doesn't support his reads with confirmation bias, as he did here after I voted Humane.

Humane's initial tell of I was scum with someone in this game before, but I'm not scum now screams "too Townie to be Town." His tunneling of Lucky, his lack of progression on 3bounty and his lack of progression on me all point to mafia.

Also, Clidd seemed to have stopped his analysis of players after doing just two and advocating just a policy lynch of my slot. Yesterday, after completing his thoughts on Lucky, he indicated he was moving on to me next. He didn't do that here. He stopped after finding a wagon with momentum.

I would suggest Day 2 examination Clidd first, then Humane.

Sorry about the errors. On mobile, I'm sloppy.

[Aloratom]

Clidd's policy lynch of me has turned into a scum lynch based essentially on confbias.

[Aloratom]

I think Town is set up for the win.

[Aloratom]

This has been a more difficult than usual Newbie game to get a handle on.

[3bounty]

I think scums best bet is to claim PR. So the VT thing is kinda townie.