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[HoldenGolden]

Anyways since it was asked here is a rough reads list. I honestly realized there were more players in this game that I remembered.

Sircake, Dr. Wake are my strongest two town reads atm

Cat stretch>Hectic>MT pending questions (I've come full circle on hectic. Mt hasn't bother me other than the last post recently)

Aaron was up there until the disconnect in the progression on Alo. Will be reranked depending on his response.

Alo I contextually feel is scummy if I disregard AAF last post. Prolfi feels like background noise despite not putting forward much unlike those in my null pool.

If I didnt mention them it's because they arent cool enough to make my post because they are boring. Special props though for chemist claim

[HoldenGolden]

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

If tictac-Chem is scum and Alo is town, it's an easy bus; If tictac-Chem is town and Alo is scum, it's an easy distraction from Alo; If tictac-Chem and Alo are scum together, well.. that'd be kinda agiven

Lucky for me I have a couple townreads on the tictac wagon. Consider my vote on profii to be extra serious now

I agree with the voting logic, I disagree with how it's being constructed.

It was more of an independent thought i was reasoning out, but it ended up lining up with my profii suspicion really well. (^-^*)

Then allow me to force you out of your comfort zone. I'm lazy. You seem energetic. Do you feel anyone else on that wagon is scummy given how they enter on it?

[HoldenGolden]

Also if your read is dependent on the alignments of Alo/chem, why are you sticking to profili (unless I miss a change in heart somewhere vote wise)

I understand in most cases they are scum in your eyes given the voting, but why not vote one of alo/chem to make your case stronger, especially since most of town is leaning that way right now?

[HoldenGolden]

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

Cake your here. Why does chemist feel less scummy to you?

He seems just lost and confused. Also that would be a weird choice of fakeclaim imo.
I feel scum would be freaking out more

They expressed they replace into highly lynched d1 slots a lot so meh, I do see what you are saying.

My issues though even with the claim is that they arent proactive at all and seem to be hiding behind it. Just now chemist said something wanting to know too, yet I see a lack of motivation on their part to scumhunt. That along with the claim bothers me.

(I may be biased because scum claimed novice pt cop in the mini blitz I just played so I'm doubting the claim more)

Chemist: where are you at so far in reading the game? You should have made some progress now hopefully.

[Chemist1422]

I haven't really been trying to read the game

In the past when I've tried it just ends up with me not wanting to engage with the game until I'm caught up but not having the motivation to finish

[SirCakez]

So are you gonna engage or no?

[Chemist1422]

I was under the assumption that's exactly what I'm doing

[HoldenGolden]

You mentioned you were reading over Alo. Did you get anything from that?

[Chemist1422]

Not really

I couldn't tell what sort of stuff was playstyle and his answer to my question about his style was too vague to work with

[AaronFrost]

Explain my awkward defense of the wagon. This sounds like you're lining up mislynches.

Maybe defense isn't quite the word I'm looking for, but like I said in 511, your play around it feels cautious and hesitant while still trying to justify by saying that you're not opposed to it.

How am i lining up mislynches?

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Chemist1422 I don't have much time nowadays but hopefully this will flip scum and clear me!

how does chemist flipping scum clear you?

[Morning Tweet]

Also if your read is dependent on the alignments of Alo/chem, why are you sticking to profili (unless I miss a change in heart somewhere vote wise)

I understand in most cases they are scum in your eyes given the voting, but why not vote one of alo/chem to make your case stronger, especially since most of town is leaning that way right now?

My case is that there's scum on the tictac-chem wagon regardless of tictac-chem's alignment. I get the feeling scum will target the slot. I feel like that reasoning qualifies as independent of the tictac/alo wagons, not dependent.

Then allow me to force you out of your comfort zone. I'm lazy. You seem energetic. Do you feel anyone else on that wagon is scummy given how they enter on it?

≧ω≦ I have a little bit of energy, I had a nap earlier

Spoiler:

Chemist1422 (5): Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, SirCakez, Hectic, profii

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I doubt voting Gamma while he's v/la will be very productive

I'm down to try this

VOTE: tictac

Would do Holden as well. He seemed to have dropped off the radar after a lot of early shitposting

Cat started this wagon early on, earlier than we had an idea tictac was going to disappear. It's a vote for a lurker as a switch-up from Gamma since Gamma went V/LA. I don't really pull anything AI from this, gun to my head maybe a slight edge to town.

I like this tictac wagon. The inactivity is off-putting.
VOTE: tictac

My SR has somewhat lessened on Hectic; I feel I'm confusing playstyle for scumminess.

SirCakes joins Cat on the very next post, leaving Hectic's wagon in favour of this one. I believe his reevaluation of Hectic is towny, although I don't have anything to say about the entrance to the wagon itself.

<Wake joins the wagon here. He moves to Alo later, though>

tictac's play so far is a stark contrast to their last 3 town games, and fits more with their most recent scumgame.

One
Two
Three
Scumgame - replaced out

In the town games, they have a lot of thoughts, and are straight in there from the start with the solving. Scumgame has less reasoning provided with posts.

In this game, they didn't make any attempts to solve and have only fluff posted, which is the polar opposite of their town meta.

VOTE: Chemist1422 I don't have much time nowadays but hopefully this will flip scum and clear me!

Hectic metareads tictac's replace-out to be scum-indicative, adding tons of fuel to the fire. This is the turning point for me where I think if Alo is scum, scum is going to jump on tictac. If tictac is scum, I also think they'll bus. I've townread Hectic for a long while now, so I'd be hard pressed to see this as scum-motivated.

tictac's play so far is a stark contrast to their last 3 town games, and fits more with their most recent scumgame.

One
Two
Three
Scumgame - replaced out

In the town games, they have a lot of thoughts, and are straight in there from the start with the solving. Scumgame has less reasoning provided with posts.

In this game, they didn't make any attempts to solve and have only fluff posted, which is the polar opposite of their town meta.

VOTE: Chemist1422 I don't have much time nowadays but hopefully this will flip scum and clear me!

Good enough for me

VOTE: Chemist1422

Profii goes with it. I don't really have a comment on this, other than he doesn't seem to care to respond to my posts which makes me feel a lil left out (;﹏;)

please notice me profiiiii

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

I don't see anywhere Gamma mentions anything about tictac in his ISO past RVS stage, so I'm going to take his second vote as the latest vote, even though he was technically first.

His reasoning given is "It's less bad than the Alo wagon" and "I don't get why people are voting Alo". He puts Chemist at L-1 without saying a single positive thing about the wagon, but I'm gonna assume he read through Hectic's case in 515 and agrees with it or has at least some kind of good reason to vote there. I award him no town points for lack of effort, which is certainly anti-town and leaves him towards the bottom of my reads

Overall I don't find the entrances themselves to be as important as my deduction that there's scum on the wagon combined with my townreads on the wagon

here's my comparison on which members of the wagon I believe most likely to be scum:

Profii>Gamma>Cat>SirCakes>Hectic (>Wake)

[AaronFrost]

I don’t get why A-Tom is being voted

Several people have talked about their issues with Aloratom's posting. Do you agree or disagree and why?

[AaronFrost]

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

I'm confused by this? Why are you voting off wagon if you agree with MT that the tictac wagon is sketchy?

[SirCakez]

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

I'm confused by this? Why are you voting off wagon if you agree with MT that the tictac wagon is sketchy?

Because your postulating around is was sketch regardless of who is on wagon. There were surely scum on it but I don't have to go after them riht now.

I like MT's wagon analysis. I think it makes Gamma more likely scum.

[SirCakez]

right*
I can spell

[AaronFrost]

I would have no qualms with this post since AFF was following similarly in my logic of Alo not wanting to be on a p lynch for a lurker. However, that implies in a sense that tictac was town since Alo gets more for bussing his afk partner than actively trying to deflect the lynch. Especially considering that he said he was fine with the lynch (so it wasn't a defence at all).

As it stands, I dont understand what afk rabbit hole lead AFF to the associative reads. Even if you read into alo posts for associative tells before the flip, I feel you would come to the opposite conclusion that it was a TvS interaction rather than SvS. Alo's push on hectic was anything but strong, let alone enough to chainsaw defend him.

So now aaron, I have the very specific question for you. What lead you to the notion that alo and tictac are SvS given the fact we both had issues with him not wanting to join the p lynch on a lurker?

Again, defense probably wasn't the right word to use there, but there was some caution/hesitancy around voting the wagon while still trying to justify it by saying he's okay with it. It's scummy positioning no matter which way you look at it tbh.

The reason it gave me pings of partner interactions was because if Alora!scum and tictac/Chemist!town, then that's an easy wagon for Alora to jump on.

[davesaz]

It seems like he's lining up lynches

What makes you think this?

[AaronFrost]

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

Cake your here. Why does chemist feel less scummy to you?

He seems just lost and confused. Also that would be a weird choice of fakeclaim imo.
I feel scum would be freaking out more

The claim may not necessarily be fake, he could just be a scum 1-shot jailkeeper. I think I want to leave that claim alone for today though.

Also I disagree with that last sentence, I think more often than not scum try to maintain their composure when under pressure.

[SirCakez]

Jeez I had no idea deadline was so close
Alo is definitely awkward but I think there's more scum equity in tictac right now especially considering hectic's post

So here's the thing, I think there's a decent chance that tictac!slot and Aloratom are partners from the way Alora awkwardly defended the wagon. I want to lynch in one of those two today.

tictac is fine by me, but I'd kinda like for Chemist to get caught up before we just power lynch that slot.

This post davesaz

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

Cake your here. Why does chemist feel less scummy to you?

He seems just lost and confused. Also that would be a weird choice of fakeclaim imo.
I feel scum would be freaking out more

The claim may not necessarily be fake, he could just be a scum 1-shot jailkeeper. I think I want to leave that claim alone for today though.

Also I disagree with that last sentence, I think more often than not scum try to maintain their composure when under pressure.

Ehhh I find the opposite to be true in most cases. It really depends on player tho

[davesaz]

I think it makes Gamma more likely scum.

Do you think scum!Gamma makes a fake L-1 like that?

[AaronFrost]

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

I'm confused by this? Why are you voting off wagon if you agree with MT that the tictac wagon is sketchy?

Because your postulating around is was sketch regardless of who is on wagon. There were surely scum on it but I don't have to go after them riht now.

I like MT's wagon analysis. I think it makes Gamma more likely scum.

Where did I say or imply that there were scum on the tictac wagon? I haven't actually looked at the wagon comp tbh, mostly because I find Alora pretty scummy and that's my focus right now. I'll have a look at MT's analysis though.

[AaronFrost]

How am I lining up mislynches in that post Cakez?

[SirCakez]

I think it makes Gamma more likely scum.

Do you think scum!Gamma makes a fake L-1 like that?

Wdym fake?

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

I'm confused by this? Why are you voting off wagon if you agree with MT that the tictac wagon is sketchy?

Because your postulating around is was sketch regardless of who is on wagon. There were surely scum on it but I don't have to go after them riht now.

I like MT's wagon analysis. I think it makes Gamma more likely scum.

Where did I say or imply that there were scum on the tictac wagon? I haven't actually looked at the wagon comp tbh, mostly because I find Alora pretty scummy and that's my focus right now. I'll have a look at MT's analysis though.

I thought asking why I voted off wagon if I find the tictac wagon sketchy was implying scum on the wagon. Did I misinterpret?

That post is lining up lynches cuz it sets up Alo next. I'm not the only who's noticed it

[Hectic]

I don't get the logic there either, SirCakez. His scumread on one is dependent on the other being scum.