Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[humaneatingmonkey]

TL

-> LuckyLuciano, humaneatingmonkey,

Kirari Momobami

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If you wanna save Kirari, now's the time to make the case that she's town.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 1.12

LuckyLuciano - (1)

- Yooh,

3bounty - (1)

- , Inwho22

Aloratom - (4)

- 3bounty, LuckyLuciano, Holden golden, Clidd

humaneatingmonkey - (1)

- Aloratom

Holdengolden - (1)

- Kirari Momobami,

Kirari Momobami - (1)

- humaneatingmonkey

Not Voting (0)

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With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-19 06:15:00)

[InWho22]

Sorry for the inactivity yesterday, it was a danish holiday.

I'm going to have to stop you right here, there's a holiday for eating danishes?

All holidays in Denmark are about eating danishes. Praise the cream

I don't understand why I'm not allowed to have gut pings day one and everything has to be a final read, but this day phase illustrates everything I hate about day one so I'm probably going to mostly peace out until day two.

Denying town the ability to interact with you for the rest of day one is just pretty counterproductive too.
So far, I don't feel like LL is certain scum but I definitely can't place him as town either, based on his anti-town behavior.

My only real reaction to this post, do you believe anti-town = scum? If not, do you think that town is more likely to do things that appear as anti-town, or scum?

I believe anti-town is NAI depending on the context. I believe hiding anti-town behavior behind frustration in this situation

could

be scum, which is why I couldn't place you as town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-19 06:15:00)

We have a solid 48 hours. We can do this. Welcome to your first blitz game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

@Alo

What's your opinion on Kirari's alignment?

[humaneatingmonkey]

On a more serious note, this is a newbie game. I think perhaps in the future you should reconsider playing in these. Your style isn't a good introduction to mafia for brand new players. I think newbie games should be played in a manner that allows new players to understand what's going on and become acquainted with the game. Bad SE.

I mean I am giving the most obvious and exaggerated FPS possible so that newbies will have at least an inkling of a chance when they get into a normal and have to deal with actual fakeclaims.

I literally claimed a masonry with 7 people after having also already claimed a n0 cop check?

If I am town I either am:
-Trying to soft my partner as a mason without outing them entirely
-Trying to eat a nightkill

If I am scum I am obviously never, ever claiming mason

So like... what exactly is the purpose of asking me to hold to the claim or not? There can only ever be pro-town motivation to that play. If I was scum, I would just be dumping it later so it's immaterial

Lucky has a point here that he wasn't referring to her alignment at all on that fakeclaim memery, yet she insisted she was town for it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

T o t a l l y n o t s c u m.

[InWho22]

Although I understand the wagon on me for pressure, is there anything specific you guys want to hear my take on?

How do you feel about the concept of intrinsic value?

I very much believe that everything has an intrinsic value. Of 0. The market price is the only way to make anything worth more than that.

[InWho22]

Oh, double post. Sorry.

You apologize for double posting by posting for a third time in a row?

As it was my first time doing that, I wanted to point it out to myself to avoid repeating the mistake

[InWho22]

For future reference, if a post appears before you submit, it will pop up at the top of your screen and you can adjust, so you won't accidentally put someone at L-1 that way.

Thanks, didn't know that.

Out of curiosity, if you were AcidPhoenix in 1812, how would you have played differently to get town to lynch Ataraxia? Acid caught him, but was unable to convince the town and eventually town lost without lynching him.

The game is not too clear in my memory right now. Is this important to you that I answer? I'll gladly skim a bit of it, but it doesn't seem immediately relevant to this game.

I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about this. I'm not quite understanding what made InWho scroll back a page and randomly pick that particular game that Monkey was in to read, and I kinda expect a player who has done as much pre-game prep as InWho claims to have done to, I dunno, look more eager? I'll take my tinfoil hat off now.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _1750-1999
HEM game is literally the newest on the wiki.
Also what do you men by "more eager"?

[InWho22]

Your turn Aloratom

@InWho: Your answers came across as natural and unforced. You get starter Townie points for that.

Could you look back at that line of questioning and give an example of what an artificial and/or forced answer would look like?

I too want to know actually. I think it's impressive if both of you read me correctly from these questions, and would sure love to have those skills.

[InWho22]

Now scan the thread and tell me who you think is town or scum based on these guidelines.

Good idea, I will return in some amount of time.

This sounds like something a messenger says to his king before spending a fortnight traveling to a far-off land in order to inquire about the status of the serf's rebellion against their liege.

And thus I spent my days, traversing the land.
Arriving at the great castle of Monke, I had just one burning question:
"LL scum?"

[InWho22]

Also, this is my first game, so take this more as stream of consciousness than thought-out ideas until I get a grip on the game.

good sentence

If one were to partake in close analysis, the above sentence is - to be quite frank - an objectively bad sentence.

Wrong

[InWho22]

Alright, so: I read the game through a couple times, just keeping in mind @HEM 's concept of genuinity.
This is what I came up with: (Also this was written as post 206, none after that point considered).

Spoiler: 3bounty

There is very little to go off here, I only found 5 actual posts. During these few posts, 3bounty accomplishes:
Asking other peoples' thoughts before providing his own.
Asking 2 minor questions directed at an already targeted player.
And finally explaining his own thought on the question he asked several pages ago.
Conclusion: 3bounty hasn't really contributed anything to the game at the moment, and what he has contributed does not seem genuine in that it doesn't feel like it's

actually

meant to further the game. I do not know which of town/mafia is most likely, as I'm not sure if he's actively lurking or just caught up irl.

Spoiler: Yooh

Yooh is in somewhat the same camp of having been not-so-active. What Yooh accomplishes over 9 posts is an RVS vote, a single question at Kirari, and

5

questions for LL, the already targeted player.
Conclusion: Yooh has definitely been of more help in my eyes, but the fact that all of his questions are meant for the already popular target makes it hard for me to see him as actually trying to progress in the game.

Spoiler: Aloratom

Alora is, like the two above, not the most active player in the world. I found 11 actual posts which accomplished:
Asking LL 5 theory-related questions and doubting them because he misunderstands them.
Asking 3b a single minor question, and repeating HEM's question at LL.
And finally: #189 providing a single actual answer and read!
Conclusion: Alora contributes to the game almost exclusively what I see as unrelated theory questions, meant to just produce

some

amount of content. Not convinced.

Spoiler: Kirari

In the 8 actual posts I found, Kirari:
Calls InWho22 (me lol) scummy twice without explanation.
Calls Holden possibly scummy without much explanation.
Explains in a single sentence why I was scummy (which did make sense, just pointing it out).
Tells Holden he doesn't like a post, and answers Yooh's questions with: non-answers!
Conclusion: This slot feels like it is lashing out at a lot of slots just because it can, and while it doesn't provide much extra information, is it actually not genuine? Kir is at a weird spot for me here, because it feels like there is actually an intent to move the game forward, just not the action to do it. Hm.

Spoiler: HoldenGolden

Now it gets a lot more interesting, as there is actually content to go on here. Holden has done a lot of good for the furthering of the game in my eyes: He has asked most players actual furthering questions, which is already more than all of the above. This seems like genuine care to obtain knowledge. Good boy!

Spoiler: HEM

HEM, like Holden, has asked a lot of game-furthering questions. I do see him tunneling a lot on LL, and it would be appreciated if he took a while focusing on other players (although someone else needs to be active then lol). He mentions this himself though, which strengthens my view of him. He wants people to contribute, and in doing so ups town's chances. Genuine and very town.

Spoiler: LuckyLuciano

As said above, LL is probably the most targeted player currently, and I do understand why. He has also been the most active player though, which mafia or not, has furthered the game. He spent a lot of time in the beginning being frustrated that Monkey didn't go with him on a single weird-and-probably-NAI whim, and has actually spent a lot of the game since getting frustrated. I do not believe though, that this 100% comes from an ungenuine position, as he seems like a player who should know that this kind of engagement doesn't get you in the peoples' favor. I wish to see some focus on any other player, and get to watch LL not just defending himself from HEM.

So my reads (ATM solely based on genuinity, and 110% subject to change):
-Town-
Holden, HEM
Yooh, Kir, LL
Alora, 3b
-Scum-
(Also I hope this was useful, first time spending so much time on a post heh)

I've read about half of this total through both my readthroughs of the game. I like it though.

Why is this? Still want feedback on how to produce such content. (After the game is cool if you want that).

[InWho22]

Will now read the new content

That smiley looks diabolical. Do you think it looks diabolical, InWho22? This is a question of the utmost importance.

I fully agree, but I probably think it's NAI on his side

[Yooh]

Start reading again where i left, but answering one I saw

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _1750-1999
HEM game is literally the newest on the wiki.

I know this is directed to Lucky, but I questioned this also. That's answering my curiosity.

[clidd]

I can't say I agree with lynching a townie, but I can see why people are on my train. I am

Vanilla Townie

. I just hope that behaviour on my train will help catch scum.

When I flip town, watch out for skitt (who I think is very likely scum) and clidd (who is probably scum).

Well, considering that in one of my past games a scum also claimed VT when he was L-1 on D1 (and escaped from the lynch), I'm not townreading this claim by Aloratom.

[clidd]

I also believe that changing the direction of the lynch is basically collecting another claim, which means more information for the mafia to establish a PoE to hit PRs.

[Aloratom]

TL

-> LuckyLuciano, humaneatingmonkey,

Kirari Momobami

.

If you wanna save Kirari, now's the time to make the case that she's town.

Your move, Clidd.

VOTE: Kirari

[clidd]

You scumread me and Monkey, but why are you voting on Kirari ?

[Kirari Momobami]

Hmm what is the goal of this push on me, get alora lynched faster so tmiing him town or...?

[Kirari Momobami]

I think he's town tbh but I don't have a better wagon to sell

Get to the green flip so we get on with the game or what?

Do kinda feel like hit % would be higher in like... Holden maybe?

But ehh I'm probably not getting my 'slight preference' lynch when I basically have no idea who scum is

Alora's probably a fine lynch for gamestate even as a miss, idk

VOTE: Holden

Here's my end of day preference so that everyone can see how bad I look when Alora actually ends up flipping scum for some reason

Ehh we do have 2 days.

I can sleep on it (for real this time ) make sure no one says anything spicy, hammer in the morning

this is scummy as hell.

Why exactly do you think those posts are scummy?

Are you hyperconfident in holden town? You agree that alora might be town but you think that giving the game another night to think about it over hammering is scummy? Taking a bunch of townie posts then saying "scummy" is nagl

[Kirari Momobami]

Phone posting, just get back home but please give me 24 hours, i still want to post and read things

I'll wait and consider. Can't promise everyone else will tho.
Also if Kir hammers right now that looks baaaaad

So is monkey pushing me to tmi alora town or to save a buddy?

[Kirari Momobami]

TL

-> LuckyLuciano, humaneatingmonkey,

Kirari Momobami

.

If you wanna save Kirari, now's the time to make the case that she's town.

Your move, Clidd.

VOTE: Kirari

This is a dumb move as either alignment btw, as town your job is to not get lynched for bad reasons and you just eliminated the top reason to not hammer you

If you're going to present the person with the hammer as a counter-wagon you just die, that's why monkey's posts here are slimy af. You should have been able to recognize that.

VOTE: aloratom

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 1.Final.

LuckyLuciano - (1)

- Yooh,

3bounty - (1)

- Inwho22

Aloratom - (4)

- 3bounty, LuckyLuciano, Holden golden, Clidd, Kirari Momobami - Lynch!

humaneatingmonkey - (1)

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Kirari Momobami - (2)

- humaneatingmonkey, Aloratom

Not Voting (0)

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With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-19 06:15:00)

Aloratom has been Lynched! They were a

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

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