Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

[Churros]

Actually I just noticed that even if it was, by his reads he would have checked Alo to see who between "Alo/Churros" was scum in his mind, and use Alo result to solve me.

I'm gonna properly check it next time but that target doesn't seem to add up to what I saw from him yesterday at all either way.

It feels more like he's claiming that he checked you because you said "check me!" yesterday rather than claiming a target that would presumably help his reads.

[Taly]

But Churros, eyestott checks for vanilla townies. He'd get a negative on you regardless of your alignment.

Exactly.

Eye

could've cleared

Churros'

claim on

S_S

being correct, and thus found a reliable - potentially town - PR.

If anything,

Eye

could've checked if

Churros

fakeclaimed, and if he did, that would've invalidated the

S_S

clear.

But that information doesn't benefit

Eye

-scum, who has more motivation to kill

S_S

over statements like:

I mean, of course I'm not going to die unless eyestott is scum.

Unless you had solid reasoning to believe

S_S

was the kill before EoD3, the fact that

Eye

had the ability to absolve one of the PRs N3 but didn't, is likelier because it wouldn't have served him.

Late-game, scum have to preserve themselves as much as possible by trying to find a reason to doubt EVERYBODY still alive.

Eye's

play executes this perfectly on

Churros

.

Think about why he checked you,

Paragon

:
Even in the world that you are town, he gets someone who he could pocket by having a soft

"clear"

on them, and an additional townie to push a lynch for.

Eye's

play - despite how you slice it - is suboptimal at best, and scum at worst. Makes perfect sense why

Scum Neapolitan

is a valued scum investigative:

It will out the Gun-Smith, 2shot-BP, and 1shot-Vig.

[Churros]

Ah ok, I got it wrong.

I thought that mafia goons would still give a neapolitan a "Vanilla" result, therefore checking me would be worth in his pov because in the chance I was mafia goon he could get a guilty on me, but maybe I confused how the role supposedly works.

In fact having explained how the role actually works in detail was pretty anti-town from both of us because he could possibly slip by not knowing how it functions while talking to me.

[Churros]

It's pretty amusing though that even when I got the claim wrong, I was half right because it still doesn't make sense that he thought there was scum in "Churros/Alo" but checks on Paragon, because he definitely should have checked Alo and got either a guilty or a clear, which would also help him supposedly read me.

Paragon is just the safest one to confirm here and least mislynchable imo, probably why he claimed that target.

[Churros]

For instance I don't think that Paragon/Eyesott is a team ever

[Churros]

For instance I don't think that Paragon/Eyesott is a team ever

anymore*

[Taly]

For instance I don't think that Paragon/Eyesott is a team ever

Why not?

You desperately need to help me see

Paragon

-town here.

[Churros]

I don't think that Eyesott tries to confirm Paragon if he was his partner when he should be distancing himself from Paragon as buddies.

Like, I don't think that Eyesott thinks he has much chance today, and Paragon if his buddy is clearly bussing him in anti-spew mode. Not likely they would go for this?

It just seems like Paragon is the least viable lynch for him therefore he's gonna burn the necessary claim on him even though he should have had his mind in Alo.

[Churros]

scum!Eyesott hasn't enough guts to claim his partner today imo when the strategy should be anti-spew bussing given the gamestate.

[Taly]

Mmm...

Then what makes you think

Paragon/I

are TvT here?

[Paragon]

Interesting! Are you posting on mobile or from a laptop/PC, Churros?

[Churros]

Mmm...

Then what makes you think

Paragon/I

are TvT here?

I still think it can be Eyesott/Alo?

I like...said that already?

and I only got pretty confident on town!paragon after eyesott claimed the target on him.

Interesting! Are you posting on mobile or from a laptop/PC, Churros?

I was posting from a PC before, got in mobile to go to sleep but gave this a last check to see if eye would say anything, addiction/curiosity kicked in and I went to PC again to open the link you posted.

Why?

[Taly]

I'm going to bed tonight.

Paragon

, I think we should probably re-ISO the other.

If we're both town, we need to solve each other in better faith if town has a chance of winning - because I am not dying tonight even if we lynch scum.

[Churros]

I really should have gone to sleep it's been 1 hour ago but I'm kind of curious about this game tbh

[Churros]

There's a reason I try to give myself 48 hours time-outs from games actually

I usually get too engaged in solving the game and lose too many hours thinking about it

ok now I'm going to bed for real, goodnight.

[Paragon]

I asked because I was wondering why you were putting off checking what Neapolitan did. I should've gone to sleep hours ago too honestly.

Taly, I agree. I won't be making any hasty decisions.

P-edit: Goodnight, Churros!

[eyestott]

Paragon, what will it take for you to trust that I'm town?
I'm pretty sure at this point that the scumteam is Taly/Churros, mainly from a setup point of view. They also don't seem to understand how the neapolitan actually works.
Something_Smart was the most likely person to be nightkilled other than myself (Though scum leaving me alive to mislynch me now is a good play on their end) because a lynch on him was unlikely for today given the alleged clear from Churros. His death proves that it was the correct decision for me to NOT target him. Taly's question of "why didn't you target the person who ended up dead" answers itself.
Paragon, you asking me to investigate you IS in fact a reason why I investigated you. You taking the initiative to try to extend that leaf to me seemed towny in my eyes, and you're much more active right now than Alo, so It'd be much easier to work together with you than Alo.

[eyestott]

Also, I want a better answer on why you wanted - only me - to claim specifically D3.

You had a non-VT result, but why didn't you survey the opportunity of pushing a case on me to help sort me, or if you thought I genuinely was a Town PR, why did you want me to out my claim in the beginning?

pushing you is difficult, especially if I don't have concrete evidence against you. I considered that gambit that you can do with investigative roles (the one where you claim a different form of guilty result to catch the person out in a lie), but wasn't confident that it wouldn't backfire.

[Taly]

Also, I want a better answer on why you wanted - only me - to claim specifically D3.

You had a non-VT result, but why didn't you survey the opportunity of pushing a case on me to help sort me, or if you thought I genuinely was a Town PR, why did you want me to out my claim in the beginning?

pushing you is difficult, especially if I don't have concrete evidence against you.

I considered that gambit that you can do with investigative roles (the one where you claim a different form of guilty result to catch the person out in a lie), but wasn't confident that it wouldn't backfire.

Is Non-Vanilla really concrete evidence against someone? You could've interacted as if I were a Town PR, or worked to resolve my read OR search for crumbs I may have laid out, or prodded around that arena.

So, I still don't follow the necessity where you wanted me to claim beyond everybody else. Also, if you ever believed I could be scum,

why did you take my claim at surface value D3 and insist on not wanting to lynch me immediately?

I claimed

2shot-BP

. There's only a

1shot-Vig

in the playerlist. There's nothing here that references that I die by any night-killing role other than scum.

In this idea, I'm mechanically town, I'm only scum if you believe I completely fakeclaimed, so:

- If you didn't search me with the mentality of clearing or understanding my POV further:

1)

You checked me with the mentality of confirming preemptive suspicion that I am scum or

2)

You checked me with the mentality of rolefishing.

Neither narrative really align together, or make a lot of sense.

And I don't get why you're using your check on

Paragon

as a means for him to believe you're town. He literally would be burying you right now if you checked him and said Non-Vanilla, and at worst, it's not like

Paragon's

going anywhere this dayphase... regardless of what I say, that's been clear since D1.

So, yeah, your check on

Paragon

does feel pockety.

[Taly]

I still think it can be Eyesott/Alo?

I like...said that already?

and I only got pretty confident on town!paragon after eyesott claimed the target on him.

OK, yeah, I can kind of see

Alo-Eye

because

Eye

doing this on his scumbuddy, LMFAO, that would've been a game losing plan even in the reality I were in lylo. Too great of an argument, don't think

Eye

would go to that length.

It'd be easier to pocket

Paragon

and let our TvT endgame us.

Either way, I'm reISOing

Paragon

, and ISOing

Aloratom

. Those are the two slots I need to critically solve at this point, I believe.

[Taly]

paragon

, we have such a love/hate relationship this game wtf

[Taly]

paragon

, we have such a love/hate relationship this game wtf

that's usually a sign it's TvT, lol fuck

[Taly]

Something_Smart was the most likely person to be nightkilled other than myself (Though scum leaving me alive to mislynch me now is a good play on their end) because a lynch on him was unlikely for today given the alleged clear from Churros.

His death proves that it was the correct decision for me to NOT target him.

OK, full-stop.

You thought

S_S'

was always dying N3... and that's the reason you didn't check

Churros

N3 to verify his claim?

What?

The point still stands, you could've greatly helped clear a scumread.

That's a disingenuous move and mode of thinking.

[Taly]

Sigh... I'll just get to ISOing.

You guys are welcome to ask me anything.

[Churros]

the scumteam is Taly/Churros,

I could see eyesott trying to pocket paragon here...