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[PranaDevil]

UNVOTE:

Let's not make it L-2

VOTE: Tanner

[UnaBombaH]

Ummmmm, OK.. Weird random votes all around.
I think PranaDevil is scum.
VOTE: LucaBlight

[PranaDevil]

Ummmmm, OK.. Weird random votes all around.
I think PranaDevil is scum.
VOTE: LucaBlight

Erm... your theory and your vote don't add up.

[farside]

Ummmmm, OK.. Weird random votes all around.
I think PranaDevil is scum.
VOTE: LucaBlight

Erm... your theory and your vote don't add up.

This ^

VOTE: george

[GeorgeBailey]

This ^

VOTE: george

Why switch from Persivul?

Do you like his reaction to the wagon?

[farside]

This ^

VOTE: george

Why switch from Persivul?

Do you like his reaction to the wagon?

He didn't look like he cared. Any reason you switched to a bw vote after a joke vote?

[GeorgeBailey]

Any reason you switched to a bw vote after a joke vote?

To build a wagon. What's the point of RVS if no one is pressured?

I obviously don't scumread Persival right now. But I don't townread him either.

[Tanner]

I'm feeling a Towny aura from George.

[PranaDevil]

Any reason you switched to a bw vote after a joke vote?

To build a wagon. What's the point of RVS if no one is pressured?

I obviously don't scumread Persival right now. But I don't townread him either.

I mean... at this exact moment in time, nobody should be townreading anyone (well... bar one person, but y'know... anyone scum reading them needs a slap).

[PranaDevil]

And as I say that, Tanner happily townreads George... wha? Explain yourself now.

This early on, that feels like scum buddying someone.

[Tanner]

I smiled to myself seeing those two posts with 17 seconds between them.

I'm not ~Townreading~ George, simply his posts on the first page and a half gave me a Town gutping. Is that set in stone? No. But for this moment in time it's strong enough that I felt is worthy to share with the class.

I agree it's way too early to form strong reads, but even leans? Pings? How many pages does a game have to have before we can start throwing out ideas?

[Tanner]

Besides, in the same post, you say me calling George Town feels like scum buddying. Is it by that same logic not too early to be scumreading someone?

[PranaDevil]

How many pages does a game have to have before we can start throwing out ideas?

I'll go with "let's get everyone posting and solidly out of RVS stage", and even then, always question your town reads. Each new day phase double back and check on them just in case. Anyone who is 100% certain someone is town is either a Cop or Scum, or perhaps a Mason at a push.

As for scum reading someone... not really, because we should suspect everyone as potential scum, and call out scummy behaviour so others can also note it and track it as well. The more town aware of my thoughts, the more they can consider them going forwards. Doubly so in the event of my flip.

[Tanner]

George is Town or scum regardless of whether everyone has posted or not, I don't see the point in waiting for Literally Every Single Person before outing my thoughts on the matter. And with the discussion of Persi's short-lived L-2 wagon, I think we're past RVS.

Do you have the impression that my read of George is very strong? That I'm 100% certain he's Town? Because of course I'm not.

Everyone is a potential scum, yeah. And right now I think George is slightly less likely to be one. Plus, I don't exactly see why

"The more town aware of my thoughts, the more they can consider them going forwards."

couldn't apply to thinking someone is Town too.

[farside]

I like georges response. He was calm and i liked that he was curious about my vote change.

VOTE: unabomba

[PranaDevil]

Everyone is town or scum regardless of anything else.

I don't have even the slightest read on George, definitely nothing to even slightly suggest there's even a modicum of "he looks town" about his posts.

In fact, my only read so far stems from you (Tanner for those who end up looking at this in ISO) putting Persivul at L-2 so early in RVS. (Yes, scum would be stupid to quick hammer there, yadda yadda, wifom etc.).

As regards your last point, I'll concede that yes, if you have a legitimate town read on someone, that's fair. But again, not sure where you get that town read from.

[Tanner]

Everyone is town or scum regardless of anything else.

Exactly. So I don't see the point in waiting for

"let's get everyone posting and solidly out of RVS stage"

before I say what I think.

I think George is being relaxed in his posting and interested in solving - questioning vote changes. I find that to be Town indicative. Is it, as a whole, weak? Yes. Is it strong enough to get it out in the open and get the ball rolling? Also yes.

Do you scumread me for putting Persi on L-2? What about me having a "townread" early on?

[PranaDevil]

The L-2 is more a scum leaning thing in my mind than a faulty town read. The potential scum buddying is more of a "come back to this later if it's needed" for me, and others.

I'm also happy to admit that so far, with so few of us truly participating, that while I have you as my number 1 on list of "potential scum" everyone else is tied for second solely due to how early it is, and how little some have participated.

[Drew-Sta]

Good morning (for me) friendly people. Your resident drunken Australian has woken up, eaten his bowl of cereal and is about to move onto his coffee.

How are we?

[Drew-Sta]

Everyone is town or scum regardless of anything else.

Exactly. So I don't see the point in waiting for

"let's get everyone posting and solidly out of RVS stage"

before I say what I think.

I think George is being relaxed in his posting and interested in solving - questioning vote changes.

I find that to be Town indicative. Is it, as a whole, weak? Yes. Is it strong enough to get it out in the open and get the ball rolling? Also yes.

Do you scumread me for putting Persi on L-2? What about me having a "townread" early on?

Why do you think he's relaxed? Why do you think he's interested?

[Tanner]

Why do you think he's relaxed? Why do you think he's interested?

Posts 17/19/21 strike me as relaxed, 29/31 as interested.

[GeorgeBailey]

The L-2 is more a scum leaning thing in my mind than a faulty town read.

What's wrong with putting someone to L-2? Hammering would be an obvious scum claim.

Like, I get this mindset if it was a newbie game, but most people have the incentive to either unvote or not hammer.

[PranaDevil]

The L-2 is more a scum leaning thing in my mind than a faulty town read.

What's wrong with putting someone to L-2? Hammering would be an obvious scum claim.

Like, I get this mindset if it was a newbie game, but most people have the incentive to either unvote or not hammer.

I've seen people enter and just throw a random vote on without paying attention to the thread, especially that early in the game. Not worth the risk.

[Drew-Sta]

Why do you think he's relaxed? Why do you think he's interested?

Posts 17/19/21 strike me as relaxed, 29/31 as interested.

I think you're making conversation for the sake of making conversation and trying to look like you're taking notice of things that aren't really there.

The 'relaxing' you've cited is start-game small-talk which is usually a response to the excitement of a new game. If anything, I'd argue George is a little excited (as we all are).

The interested ones were questions, and of that, 29 is the only interested one. 31 was a response to farside.

You're clearly a little jumpy.

The L-2 is more a scum leaning thing in my mind than a faulty town read.

What's wrong with putting someone to L-2? Hammering would be an obvious scum claim.

Like, I get this mindset if it was a newbie game, but most people have the incentive to either unvote or not hammer.

I've seen people enter and just throw a random vote on without paying attention to the thread, especially that early in the game. Not worth the risk.

You seem a little averse to votes, if I may say so. Isn't a bullshit lynch a clue to who is mafia? I'm never for townies dying, but I think we're all aware that they do and quite often - that usually gives clues, don't you think?

[PranaDevil]

You seem a little averse to votes, if I may say so. Isn't a bullshit lynch a clue to who is mafia? I'm never for townies dying, but I think we're all aware that they do and quite often - that usually gives clues, don't you think?

Are you somehow suggesting a quick lynch day one is somehow a good thing?

A lynch is good, a quick lynch where we don't really get any solid information, and could end up running down the wrong direction because "X quick-hammered on day 1, must be scum" would be a bad way to go, but it would also allow scum to do it and go "whoops" right after.

Yes, we can get information from a town lynch, that doesn't mean I want it to happen on page 2.